And why is being "Non-Union" so bad? You are here for the last few weeks, crowing about the union, spouting the same typical crap about a "National" strike, when "Union" or not, a national strike will never happen, nor would one work, the way the strikers would intend it too.

The great thing about America....we all have a choice. Some of us chose to not be associated with a union.

My younger brother has 20 years with the teamsters. They just aren't that good. He doesn't see any benefit from being with them, and he is number two in seniority at his job.

Your here ACE, spouting off....yet...Who do you drive for? What is your interest in "Unionizing" the industry? What exactly do YOU stand to gain?

Tell your brother to quit his union job and come to Southern Alabama to work for AAA Cooper then man !!! :rofl: :lol2:

PS: Unions benefit all workers, I was making $18.50 an hour as a dockman in 1977 for Roadway Express in Akron, Ohio.

PPS: Now I will be lucky to get $ 10.00 an hour at most jobs, get it through your head that people like you who will not stand up for your own profession are the cancer within.

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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! Now we can all see the problem! Your in the south, stuck in a low wage job, because that is what those jobs pay, in the south! You have choices. Find a different company to drive for. There are plenty of them out there. If your a decent driver, finding one that pays well, should be easy.

If your stuck in a $10.00 an hour job, you most likely are only willing to drive local, or do "Out & Back" work. Big wages don't come with that type work....IN THE SOUTH. What is the matter? Are you having no luck at all, getting AAA Cooper drivers to "Unionize"??

I would suggest a "Union" job for you to apply for...but all the union jobs I know of....are going away. You could move down to south Florida..and haul gas. Or...for that matter...you could move to the Orlando area....and haul gas...like Timber Wolf. Move back to Indiana and haul gas...move to PA and haul gas.....move to Seattle...and pray! But...all those jobs would be non-union.

I worked for "Southern" wages for two years. I did my bit, to try and get the wages at "That" particular company, to rise to the level of work experience, that the company was requiring new drivers to have when they hired on.

Myself...to move away from the low wages....I bought a truck...and I make enough...even with the bad economy...that I am comfortable. If I have an issue...I take mangement to task...on that issue. I have done so, 3 times all ready this year. :angryblue: Oh...and I also work a lot less now, while making more.

NOW.......Stop blaming others for your problems...and do something to correct...YOUR PROBLEMS! :cool:

Something besides blaming others.

You should make more because there's alot more risks involved hauling fuel than there is hauling freight.

There was a fuel hauler who burned to death in this area 2 years back. I knew him because he fueld our trucks at night. Not a good way to go. He got rear ended while stopped in a construction zone by some over the road driver who fell asleep at the wheel.. He was trapped in his cab and they heard him screaming but they couldn't go near him because the flames were too hot. Sad thing is that the guy who hit him survived with only a broken collarbone.

Eh, hauling fuel isn't that much worse than any other haz load.
the thing is that, mostly, you tend to be more careful and minimize forseeability, and not take unnecessary risks. I'm sure there are non-fuel trucks that burn to death too.

My trainer told me how a fuel tanker had a tire fire, and only the #4 compartment burned, but the other 3 held. It can go both ways.

Last time I checked we're in (statistically) one of the most dangerous jobs out there.

"PS: Unions benefit all workers, I was making $18.50 an hour as a dockman in 1977 for Roadway Express in Akron, Ohio."

So what happened to that job? That's good money by today's standards.

Keep tellin yourself that.

Why would you need to be more careful if it's not that worse than hauling other haz loads?

I'm sure there are. But when you're hauling 9,000 gallons of unleaded gasoline behind you, you're gonna light up like a pinball machine and payout in silver dollars.

Got to side with "OrangeTX" on this one AVC.

Unions may be good for some and not for others.

And if life's so bad down south, then maybe it's time to pick up and relocate farther north
where just maybe you might find a pleasing union job.

Speaking for myself, a former Teamster member, They weren't worth the dues I paid into
them. I was OTR, then landed that great "union" position in the foodservice industry.
No, I wasn't high on the seniority list, but I wasn't on the bottom either, but still got let
go when the company consolidated with another of our facilities in town and we closed
our doors.

More could be said but that would drag this way out.

The fact that he has been with the same carrier for 20 years is a tribute to the teamsters. Maybe he forgot or never knew what most non union carriers are like. If he leaves his current job he will find out in a hurry. How many drivers stay for 20 years at a non union carrier? NOT MANY.

The fact that he has been with the same carrier/teamsters for 20 years is a tribute to the teamsters. Maybe he forgot or never knew what most non union carriers are like. If he leaves his current job he will find out in a hurry. How many drivers stay for 20 years at a non union carrier? NOT MANY. Why is he still with the teamsters? Caveman says "union bad, job hopping good."

Somebody's gotta do it. I see lots of people hauling fuel. What's their secret? It's not for everyone, but it certainly interests me.

you'd need to be more careful because it's liquid, same as if you're pulling milk. except, milk is unbaffled, so that'll move around quite a bit more. And you also have to use common sense, don't smoke, avoid sparks, don't spill nothing, and check, double check, and triple check everything. They teach us how to be safe legal and responsible, and following procedures, rules and regulations simplifies the task of hauling fuel.

besides, if anything happens, i probably won't even know it :/