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earl Henderson / Henderson trucking Salem Illinois (hays)
any one know anything good or bad about them I am thinking of joining them but don't know much except reeffer , and close to home
I am experienced with 10 plus No tickets. No accidents Clean DAC / MVR They say that they have regional out 7 / 10 Home 2 I have 3 little ones so regional a must I only live bout 90 miles from corporate office and bout the same to st louis drop yard bout 1 mile off 55 (I 55 ) Any info would be great Thanks Miles , equipment , logging , safety record , benefits. Etc |
I am currently driving for them, have been since first week of September. Keep in mind I drive team.
To say this in the nicest way.....they are the most god awful company. I don't know how they stay in business. They are beyond disorganized. Every load we pick up has sat around somewhere until it is impossible to make delivery on time. The planners make non existing appointments, send you to the right place at the wrong time, or the wrong place at the right time. I now double check everything, can't trust them to do their job. They have kind of 'forced' per diem. Due to the high administrative costs of not doing the per diem, you have to now give up a penny a mile. Mind you, that was never mentioned by recruiter, I was told we did not have to take it, they are starting the "administrative fee" after the first of the year. They were advertising pay based on PC Miler practical miles. WRONG!!!! After working there we found out not true, I don't even think they are HHG miles, more like whatever they feel like paying you. We carry a laptop with the PC Miler program on it, so I can verify this. Forced dispatch, with a love for Con-Way loads. At least for us teams. That means running nonstop in our 64mph truck until we get there. God forbid we have to eat. 42 or 43 hours from LaSalle, IL to Renton, Wa (Seattle), which is doable, in good weather, but tight with the slow truck. Their health insurance is only a minor medical plan, which again was forgotten to be mentioned by the recruiters, they kept telling me about the great medical they had, yeah, if you are there for a year or were hired before May I think. Dental pays $1000 a year a person, vision, don't know, haven't used it, prescription plan is a joke, kind of a discount plan, and it covers very little. And before all of you jump on me for not checking them out......I did, I even know someone there, but I guess even my 1000 questions weren't enough to get the total truth out of them. They lie, lie and lie. I caught our lovely dispatch in so many of them I have lost track. Not that I have a ton of love for them, especially after being told....exact words here......we are going to get out of you what we can, and however we can, and my personal favorite....I have been there too, like we all have to suffer the BS as drivers, like it is my special badge to wear. We have to fight to get a few hours to do laundry or shower and eat. I got to give them credit, we are busy. Getting a restart is spent fighting off dispatch who wants to dispatch you while you are trying to get your hours back. I have to say, my dispatcher is all right, laid back and cool, but as soon as he leaves the vultures descend down on us, trying to push, push and push. We make decent money, 45 cents split, over 5000 miles a week As a single you top out at 37 cents a mile, don't know about the regional. We drive a pretty new truck, 2008 Columbia, 200,000 miles on it, APU, they will take out the cabinet behind the driver seat so you can put a real fridge in if you want. Not possible with the new trucks anymore though. Lots of new reefer trailers, some older dry vans. As a regional guy you will get a small sleeper truck (48" sleeper only) The only thing that has to match on your log is fuel, which will be often with 90 gallon tanks. They allow pets with a pet policy. $300 taking out in increments of $100 a week. They also have a rider policy. They make you pay for your physical and drug screen, refundable after 6 months maybe. You have to buy load locks and king pin lock and a cuff for the air line on the trailer and a air valve lock. You will get that back when you turn them in, or so they say. They will try to keep you on the road until the last minute, and your home time is from midnite to midnite, so if they get you home at 11:59 pm that is being home on time, next 48 hrs off, and dispatched at 12:01am. For us it normally means to be playing shuttle driver all day long in St. Louis so we don't get home until way late. Any more questions feel free to ask. They are just not for me, a lot of folks seem to like them, as you can tell we don't. This is my point of view, so take it with that grain of salt. And yes, I am looking because I am getting frustrated at the way things work here. PS we did just get a $25 gift card to Walmart for Christmas. |
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I been talking to vicki the recruiter Here's what she says Cascadia truck 7/10 out 2 home 38 cpm to start She told me bought that American worker INS I called them it is a joke u are right But she did say after 1 yr get blue cross bl shld 79 per week family cov I called a local insurance rep can get family covg for 450 per mth and 17 for dental and vision This is thru united health care / golden rule plan Copay doctor is 35 Drugs 10/30 Major medical 2500 ded then 100 percent Cap 5 mil per person up to 7 people Out of pocket max 7500 family per year That equals to bout 130 per week for good stuff Rate guaranteed 2 years presxusting accepted Big network Has chropractoric up to 15 visits for copay 35 She. ( vicki) tells me I can average 3000 per week easy and will go no farther than Denver on regional no NYC home time is full days off says lots of Dole lettuce etc Loose leaf logs Good maint 40 per drop hook ( maybe 35 she said not sure) New trls New trucks (condo ) Let me know what u have heard from solos if u have spoke to any of them at yards I think I saw on another board u were looking at Link amwerica I posted a reply there for u Will Henderson let u take a 10 he break or are they run and gun She also said their turn over was only 58 percent Is that true or she fudging that Thanks for your reply |
I am willing to bet you right now, that you will not get one of those new Cascadias. The still have some of those small sleeper trucks, and guess what, as a regional driver, you will be first in line for one of those. One of my friends who has been there almost 5 years took a month of for medical reasons and he got a truck with about 220,000 miles on it, no new one. They do give them out, but for some reason I doubt to a new hire on a regional run.
Most single drivers I talk to say they get about 2500 miles. I only talked to one who is busier, so I don't know if you would get that many miles. Same friend struggles to get that often, I don't think he sees more than 2500. They think nothing of having you sit around for a day or two to pick up one of their "important" customer loads, rather than keep you rolling, even happened to us as a team. All that for a $25 layover fee. Woohoo. Their insurance is not worth the money you pay for it, can't get out of it until later in the year. My solo driver friend has gone once to Hunt's Point in all the time he has been with them, earlier this year. I had to hold his hand on the way in and on the way out. I used to run to NYC from St. Louis every week, so I don't mind. I think he felt like he was being sent to Iraq without any weapons to defend himself....... They have decent equipment, well new anyhow, just about as cheap as you can get on the interior though. I know they are getting lots of trucks in right now, but again, do not hold your breath on getting one of those. We as a team got a used truck, they only Cascadia went to a team doing the lease thing. That is out of 7 of us in orientation. They made someone give us their truck, and they got a new truck. Their turnover may be like that, I don't know. They have a wall with pics up, with your hire date, and there are quite a few oldtimers there. But, I also noticed that about 30 or 40 pics are gone since the last time I was there, quite a turnover for just a few weeks. One of the things that I know is driving us teams away, is the Con-Way freight. I worked for them, my husband got ill, had surgery, got fired the day after the surgery, and died a few weeks later. I don't want to deal with Con-Way and was assured I wouldn't. Of course that was another lie. That's about all we do, so I am ready to walk. Never mind the fact that at Con-Way we would get paid about 100 miles per trip more than here. Yeah, you get to take your break, and as a single driver, I can assure you that you are not treated quite as much as a machine that should run, run, run, but as an individual. I just don't think they pay enough, especially with your experience. Read between the lines, there is a lot of stuff recruiting tells you that is just half true, or often just totally untrue. A lot of freight is drop and hook. At least for us. Loose leaf logs, yeah, not that it matters, can't speed with the slow truck anyhow. Just the fuel stops need to match within 15 mins, nothing else is looked at. The shop is ok, but unless you bitch whine and moan you are expected to hang out in the drivers room until they are done, even if it takes all nite long, and be ready to go again first thing. They will put you up, but not without a fight for the most part. Thanks for your reply to my thread. I hope this helps, I hope you think this through really good. Other than their constant lies their total disorganization is a huge draw back for me. If I did my job like half the office personnel did, I would drive 500 miles a week and go on break the rest of the time. drives me crazy, I hate a place that doesn't have their ducks in a row. Good luck |
I am starting with Henderson on Jan 12th. I am doing the lease purchase as a solo driver until my wife can join me in about 18 months. I was told 2800-3000 miles a week as an otr driver. I have been approved by John Christner and TransAm also but doing research and talking with other drivers it seems like Henderson would be the best fit.
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good luck big orange......I hope it works out for you. All I can stress is, that while on paper you should be able to do the miles, but I don't think most singles see more than about 2500. And for the lease....yuck, would not touch it with a ten foot pole, you have to consistently run 3000 miles or more to make a half way decent check.
But, the equipment is nice, you will get a brand new truck more than likely. Have an attorney look it (the lease paperwork) over before you jump in with both feet. |
Big orange
I will say this John christnor trucking is a class act I just don't want to be gone 14/17 at a clip From a. L/P stand point consider this Payment weekly H 606. Jc 550 Milage same 90 Reffer fuel 3 cpm h. 100 per paid jc Bonus jc 2 cpm h 0 Trucks. H striped down. Jc O/O spec Tolls Jc paid prepass free H 16 per mth prepass I I were to buy a truck I would want a spec out unit and look at the residual buy out at end Henderson 33,000 balloon Jc 1.00 buyout Milage pay for reefer fuel If u set on a load no mile equals no money so why should u pay to keep unit running If a company pays fuel no worries Jc pays 2 cpm bonus Henderson pay 3 for fuel net 1 cpm put u must fuel trailer which 20 gallons at 2.00 equals 44.00 or 1800 miles or so give or take I have done u some math To compare Based on new trucks and 3000 miles per week for rounding And based on expenses given to me by recruiting depts Henderson trucking 3000 @ .90 = 2700 3000 @ .3 = 90 3000 @ 9 = 270 ( surcharge ) Plates permits no charge Qualcom no charge Driver bond deducted 1 cpm or. In this case $30.00 for the week till 1200 met Locks cuffs etc 1 cpm till 300.00 paid Rev = 1.02 per mile ~ 2 deductions above = 1.00 Now you will get the 2 back once reserves are met Deductions Bobtail = 18.60 per week Occ accident = 52.00 per wk Fuel tax per mile = 1.5 = 45.00 ( ooida recommends not per mile flat but by state) Phy dam 32.00 used 45 new Accounting = 15.00 Prepass = 16.00 Prepaid legal = 8.00 Then fuel Gross = 3170 Truck 606 Rev 2554 Minus. Deductions above 2377.20 Fuel at 7 mpg = 428 gallons @ 2.45 = 1048 1329 net Maint = 6 = 180 1148 Reefer fuel 40 gals let's say 80.00 1068.00 Health INS. 120 per week family 948 net perfect week Same week at john chris Not so much detail 1103 net Not counting assoriey pays Fuel net works J/c fuel net work will net u an additional 50 to 60 per week That's my take Both companies have apu units installed also |
Sabine
What's up with their receiiters they don't tell u nothing unless u pry I can tell u I agree disorginixed all the way I have steller record drove for Walmart private fleet etc They have had my stuff 2 weeks and all she tells me is we are getting tons of calls ending in applications when I ask if it's first come first serve or most qualified she won't answer I have her on email though guaranteeing my a cascadia truck said no problem. For Cascadia Regional run 38 cpm to start Should I believe this or no what's your experience dealing with them ( recruiting) Can I hold them to it I have been sheltered in walmart to long but could not move to Maine they are down sizing the general DC I had almost 5 yrs with them alone but had to resign best job I ever had I have looked at Crete Shaffer You got any thoughts I looked at Henderson do to fact close to the house Thanks |
Henderson is not the worst outfit you can go with, but in my experience, even with asking tons of questions, writing the answers down, checking with my friend, doing all the research I could, I feel pretty bad that they got one over on me.
I do ask all the appropriate questions, and in my opinion, the really big ones were the health plan, which I know they now tell you the truth, after I bitched about it, the mileage pay is not based on PC Miler, which I don't think they lie about any longer, since I called them on it about 2 months ago and last but not least, the way they are trying to nickel and dime us to death. With money here and there going to them, basically changing rules midstream. You have to make your own decision, but based on my own experience I regret coming here. Considering how small a company they are, even though they are the biggest I have ever worked for. I don't get how they can be so screwed up. The people are pretty nice, but nice ain't cutting it if you are taking money out of my pocket, screw with me in the multitude of ways they seem to be able to every week. They do have APU's. You don't have to worry about staying warm or cool. The recruiters are nice enough people, but keep in mind, that what they tell you, and what really happens is a world apart. They do not assign you the truck, they don't let you go home for home time, they don't dispatch you. They are selling you the job, and you are trying to figure out if the Gremlin they are trying to sell you is really as good as they say it is. |
The only reason i am not going with jct is the time out and from talking to other drivers they are forgettable about getting you home on the day you request. As far as health insurance i am covered on that, i am retired military so no need to buy any more. I was told the buyout on the 09 Cascadia is 15k. I haven't had a chance to find out the spec. yet but plan to next week.
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I don't ddoubt u on the 15 k buyout I was asking them about lease Pur for myself because I have always wanted to own my own trruck but was told 31 or 33 k Which includes a carrier apu Which cost them 9700 installed And inverter package 1800 watt Which was a cost of 800 So they have 10,500 in options added to the truck If they told u 15 k buyout get it on email and in writing cause they told me the above cost Roughly 31 k or so can't remember They also said if you don't or can't finance truck you have to take another new one at turn in time so basically finance it or start in another new one which not end of world allot of guys stay lease and get new ones never buy due to tax write offs Get with a good tax guy and they can tell u But get it in writing before u go up there trust me on that always CYOA |
Sabine
On the apu units in the company trucks Do they. Have the power inverter in them so u can run a micowave etc If so is it 1800 watt like I was told Thanks Hey you gonna go link America or still looking Look into TNI out of earth city mo they seem pretty cool for team they are the old BLT / big lake from bout 2 or 3 yrs ago They have a small terminal on 57 at exit 12 in charleston mo by the pilot |
Hi Kentucky,
I don't know yet what we are going to do, I am not rushing into anything. I am trying to make sure this will be a good decision this time. There are no inverters on the truck, you can put one in, their shop will install it for you for about 25 bucks I think. You do have shore power, when the APU is on, so unless you want to put a fridge in, you will be ok, as long as you only need it when stopped. This is another thing I thought of. Take what I say however I want......but, if you were to use my name for a referral, I could get 50 bucks a month for up to 12 months if we are both employed there. I can't in good conscience do this to anyone, considering how I feel about them. It would be a lot easier to just hand out my name and truck number and start collecting money than telling you what has been happening to us, and why I believe I would come to work here, if I could do it over. That said, I do wish you the best of luck. It may be the right company for you, or at least the right company for now. I did talk to a single driver two days ago, who leases a truck. He said he had been there for 9 weeks now. Last week he made the first pay check. He had been out for 5 weeks and was beyond angry. He said he can't get over 2000 miles a week, and is struggling to make ends meet without money. Merry Christmas!!! |
After reading all that has been said here I am now rethinking my decision. I am not going to a company as a l/p for 2000 miles a week. Plus the different stories that vickie has given out kinda makes me worry. TransAm is my second choice may now be my first. The only problem I have with JCT is the second seat needs one year OTR and in 18months when my wife is able to join me she will be fresh out of cdl school.
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I thought of trans am also But heard they allot of meat warehouses which in return is wait time I have bbeen at. Meat houses 1.5 days in dock as most make load as u wait Fresh Not sure What have u heard of them like miles etc U no any thing bout shaffer which is owned by Crete I assume vicki is your rec also They are over whelmed with calls I just email her if I can find the email she gave. The pprices on I can forward to u if u want Lots of calls and can't process a clean mvr 10 yrs experience and 2 jobs in ten years Tells me this 1 they don't want exp drivers or quality 2 unorginazied (as Sabine said) 3 tons of turnover( to many to process) I am rethinking also I have not accepted anything yet they have said they will 100 per offer though per vicki I hear bill the rec is a strait shooter though not sure haven't spoke Orange If u are having 2nd thoughts do this Think a few days If not a move for you be sure to call and cancel orientation with them if not some ( not all) will DAC u for taking up class space etc not saying they will but like I said CYOA Get emails or writing everything before u go |
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Have u thought about Schneider national They have schneider finance and can get a truck for owner spec and she could join u Unless set on reffer good option |
I'm not really looking at dry van, i do flatbed now and that isn't the way to go right now. On one of the other boards there is a guy who is an l/p with transam and first week was 3100 and second was 3200 miles. He is new to their l/p but been an o/o before. So far all is straight up with transam according to him. Please email me same user name as here at yahoo. I told Vickie that I would come to class on the 12th but looks like I will be calling her back and cancelling. Like I said before JCT was my first choice but the one year experience needed for a 2nd seat was the problem. Transam told me that if the truck and color I wanted was available then I could be a company driver until one came available. I know I don't want a truck with alot of mile already on it. Unless it is a new truck forget it. That is the main reason for Henderson is that it is a new truck, but with no miles how can i pay for it and me. Henderson, JCT, and TransAm are the only 3 I really look at. Please email me any info you have. Plus I see very few Henderson trucks on the road, may just be where I travel and go.
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Henderson has about 380 power units, most of our runs are from the Midwest to either northwest, or southwest.
I think the 15000 buyout sounds right. |
don't blame u
Sabine if I do go after all said and done which I doubt it but never no I will give u a refferal Orange Don't no bout ta but haven't heard much bad either so not sure just research |
I worked for Henderson for 1 1/2 years. I ran a local dedicated account. My dad still works for them and has for 2 years or so.
In my opinion they are a good company to work for. I know several people that ran OTR or regional with them that were very happy. They are getting a lot of new Cascadia tractors. Dads drove a couple of them now, said they are nice. I don't know anything about their lease purchase program, but I talked to a few O/O's who didn't buy their trucks off of them, and they were happy. They start at .38 cpm, I don't know what the top out is, but its not .37. They do have APU's that are nice with shore power, they will let you put in an inverter (well, they put it in, but you know what I mean). You can have them take out any cabinets, etc. to modify your truck. They will even take out the passenger seat so you have more room if you so wish. They do have some 48 inch sleepers, but they are trading in those for condo's Cascadia's. My dispatcher told me they weren't buying anymore small sleeper trucks because drivers didn't like them. This is just another point of view for you. I liked them, I would work for them again. I moved to go back to college, so I quit them, but they told me they would rehire me anytime. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. |
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What kind of miles have u seen solos get Me and orange are conflicted in our decisions Orange You have to just bite the bullet sometimes and take a chance if I would not have 5 yrs ago Would have never got the walmart job which was the best I ever had would have stated for ever just couldn't up root family for a 1800 mile move That's how senority goes almost 5 yrs with them and still as bottom Make the decision best for you go with your gut |
my gut is leaning more toward transam right now. The buy out amount is as big as a deal as miles running right now. I know from the other board that several people with transam are getting 3000 and more per week.
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Lease purchase deals are for the stupid who lack basic match skills ,and pretty much all basic thinking skills ...A lease purchase at 85-90 cpm + FSC of 20-30cpm is not enough money to run a truck ,and the only entity that benefits is the company leasing you the truck/job ,as they still get money for you hauling the freight ,and you now hold all the RISK ...not to mention it releives them of paying employee benefits as you are now considered a CONTRACTOR and an employee of yourself not their company...Only a fool leases a truck from a mega carrier ,and only a moron consistantly runs a truck for $.85-90 cpm + FSC .
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Big orange, why are you so set on leasing with anyone anyhow? Your wife is not ready to join you for almost 2 years. Lots of things change in that time. Find a good paying company gig, and if your employer at the time won't let you train her, than worry about a new job.
And from my experience, my husband trained me, and he was a good trainer, but we fought like cats and dogs, because he expected me to just get it, drive like him in a weeks time. |
I want to own a truck for future earnings and by leasing if things don't work out I can walk away, where as buying from a dealer the only way to get out from under a payment is sell the truck, repo, or find someone to drive it and hope they take care of it. People say you pay more with a lease but like anything else you pay on time you always pay more.
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b jeep
Why you bashing Lease is not the worst a guy can do and he is right u can walk away from a lease Not a finance Lease 100 per cent write off Traditional fin is deprecation only So he is on track ask swift if they own their trucks or walmart both lease from Ryder Look it up write off equal profit because of less tax Just have to find right carrier and neg rate charged in lease agreement Most are12 per but bet u can get 9.5 to 10.25 Each contract is what u make of it and each is separate no bundled with others Neg and get good deal equals sucess Most companies bank on most drivers to just sign and not ask about nothing Hence failure rate Basic math and questions make sucess When u ask u get answers Never sign a lease you can not amend nor see at least a week prior to signing Being a moran I think not Called business since some have it some are cowboys Remember run a business like a company truck u will fail Big orange I emailed u My address is attached |
I am thinking you have a capital lease and not an operating lease with the truck, and therefore, it is not necessarily so that 100% of the lease payment is a "write off".
The IRS looks at a capital lease as a purchase and you will have to treat it like an asset. If it is an operating lease, then the payments are entirely expensed because it is a rental. |
they are operating lease
Kinda like a TRAC lease Both have termination fees which are deducted from last statement Henderson 475 Transam 525 Both have recovery fees if abandoned (not sure amount) Both have a detail fee if it's clean or not at turn in (probally 175/200) Both have to be returned at least half tank or charged for fuel up to 75 gallons in most cases I sent henderson to ooida for review which I may have had an old copy but ooida says it was solid not much changes needed if any the residual on this contract was 28,748.23 and included a apu with shore power 1800 watt but NO inverter truck year was a 2007 freightliner but model was not specified (lease copy is probally 1 to 2 yrs old in my opinion but. I could be wrong ) But they said of the 2 transam would be best but ooida does not rec any lease deal On the transam settlement posted The numbers look solid 856.?? On net But he had a 150.00 advance A 14.00 advance A 18.26 misc Exp or advance And physical damage INS looked a bit high at 100 .00 I think u can get it about 65.00 So net about 1,040 .00 Then if u get different phy dam INS And the 10.00 in advance fee Close to 1,100.00 net Then at 3000 miles his fuel cost was a bit high in my estimation looks like he is running 65 or. So deduct that to 62 saves you about 4 to 5 tenths per gallon mpg and nets u about 75 to 80.00 more profit in a week His msint escrow looked correct So ran a little tighter looks like u can Net bout 1,080 to 1,200 or more depending on how u run your business Reduce speed to 60 mph and save slightly more Takes longer but faster u run more profit blown up in the air most loads are set at 55 any way keep door shut u will be fine At 60 mph saves another 1 tenth or roughly 25 per week Reccomends no less than 4 cpm on new and 9 cpm on used for maint escrow |
Thanks for the feed back. Sorry didn't get back in touch with you, had friends show up and had to play host. I plan on calling transam monday and setting up indoc and getting a lease copy.
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I figured you had something going on Anyway From what I saw on the other forem with the settlement break down I would say Trans am probally better fit On the flip side I read a few positive threads about JCT A guy went through orientation a few months ago Posting nets 1,250 1,4?? 1,277 Not bad and that was after all expenses Just a thought I think I would opt out of Henderson on lease unless u planned on joining thsem on comp side |
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don't need health insurance, i'm retired military. Also I receive enough from my retirement that I need not clear 1000 per week to get by. I plan to pay a straight salary of of 600.00 per week and place the remaining in an "emergency fund" account for unexpected problems.
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It just seems hard to immagine you getting 2500 mi wk let alone 3k on a consistant basis ,when you have company drivers for Trans-AM sitting and getting only 1800-2200 ...Maybe you will ,but for me when I see company drivers only getting 1800-2200 it just makes me wonder how you would if leasing from them , and still pulling the same freight the company driver is that's only getting 1800-2200. |
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Look the miles are there From a company stand point it is more profitable for a company In some not all cases to let company equipment set idle Reason No FICA No SSI No fuel No benefits No maint No payroll Same deductions if truck sets or runs to the company And most companies do not pay layover due to lack of freight or the notion So which is more profitable Lease Why The still get revenue so why not let the truck run Most companies are going to this |
before anyone says it
Yes more burden Yes more headache The question is Do u have the business savy to do it It takes disipline to make it work You can't run a rolling chrome shop or a Christmas tree You have to run a business Some can Some can't Failure rate is high But most is from guys who can't shake company habits not from lack of work Got to reach that learning curb |
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Shake company habits ...just what does that mean ? Or is this the mantra one chants when he/she is still in the beginnng stages of a lease ,and thinks they will be different ,because they will run 62 and not idle ...then are seen later bumming free showers ? |
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