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Jesus came to fulfill the law,
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No... I'm pretty sure the scriptures say he came to save mankind. Moses's "law" did not MANDATE that Jesus come. In fact, other than the prophesy of his coming, the fulfillment of Old Testament Jewish Law was limited to obeying the 10 Commandments given by the Jewish God.
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remove religious condemnation from man's hand.
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I am unaware of any scripture that says that condemnation
WAS in "man's" hand. Vengeance is MINE, sayeth the Lord. Even Jesus absolved Pontius Pilate of his own condemnation. Jesus himself REFUSED to condemn ANY man during the time he walked on the Earth.
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Then religion comes in and makes new laws to enslave people into satisfying man.
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Religion existed for centuries BEFORE Jesus was born. Religious "laws" had enslaved man for centuries before Jesus arrived. Jesus came (according to legend) to FREE mankind from religious laws and give him a direct connection to his (so-called) creator. But, I agree with you that religion is designed to "enslave" mankind to other men who SAY they are a conduit to the creator.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John1:1) ****** God's word or the bible tells us all we need to know.
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No, it doesn't. I'm 55 years old, the son of a very GOOD and devout Baptist preacher, and I am not "satisfied" with the "knowledge" imparted to me in the Bible. Who are
YOU to say that it should be sufficient for me? Oh yeah... because the MEN who actually WROTE it told you so? :roll:
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The flesh and the law will satisfy man
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Can you tell me what this means? I'm not terribly satisfied with the flesh. And I SURE ain't a fan of laws. You want to know what satisfies me? KNOWLEDGE. So... am I a freak of nature? Or does your scripture LIE? I am supposedly a creation of your God, yet I am neither satisfied by flesh NOR the [Judaic] Law. And before you even think it... I have lived under Christian law most of my life, and am not "satisfied."
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but only a relationship with Jesus will set a man free and provide salvation.
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This is the core belief of Christian religion(s). A theology promulgated ONLY by followers of the Christian religion. At one time, more than 90% of your God's creation disagreed with this "radical" new belief. 2000 years later, 80% still disagree. Buddhist monks, who dedicate their lives to "spiritual connection and service" don't agree with you... and you would say they are bound for some kind of eternal burning hell because of their OWN "devout" faith in their creator.
As a student of religious diversity, human sociology, and intellectual progressivity.... I have found that there are only TWO enclaves of religious belief that are responsible for
ALL the war and destruction since the beginning of recorded history.... the Christians and the Islamist extremists.
Well, that's not entirely true. Even before Christ, God's "chosen people," the Jews believed they had a mandate to KILL infidels in the name of their own God. [Not that others didn't claim the same right.]
The "riddle" of human aggression and mystical obsession predates even the Torah. The phenomena of "idolic" worship predates even the existence of the Jewish people. And the proven existence of a thinking brain in homo sapiens predates both of them... AND their claims of creation.
No... I'm afraid that just coming on here and quoting the Bible to ME is not going to fly. You are not the first, nor the best. In fact... the point I wanted to make was that... only the "simplest" of God's creation (or wherever we came from) resort to such "fundamentalist" propaganda. On a par with the Taliban as I see it.
If I walk into a restaurant and ask what do you have to eat, and the proprietor tells me that "the sustenance of life is the body and spirit of the holy God," I know that the cook has quit and gone home. And I end up with a sub from Subway.
