with the smartshift its a PAIN you gotta rev it and it shoots back fast. just a pain.
not true.. dont forget the MBN cats
eh.. i dont know about the 387 but my dad's 94 T800 is/was 10x's tighter then my 04 columbia. his 98 379 pete is tighter then the t800. however, i like my freightliner a lot. and would def. consider another one. i'd love to drive a cascadia to see what its all about. what motor did the cascadia have? DD15 or a series 60? i dont know about the DD15 but i know the older s60's had egr problems but decent on fuel.

I've driven three different Pete 387's all auto's which are hard to find and found all of'em to have just a better..sturdy..more solid...dont know how to describe it being a greenhorn with trucks. But they just rode better...looked better & ran better or smoother. The other deciding factor is bringing it in for service...its going to more costly to have any dealer work on it.

The 08 Pete has cummins ISX 450hp auto, 3:42 rears 440K miles and is $67K...I can buy it for $60-62k...Truck sales are really bad right now and they'll do whatever to make a deal.

The Freight liner is a 2010 Cascadia...DD15 with 3:36 rears and is $ 67K also...buy it for $62K ...It rode realy nice as well ...but just didnt have the same feel..?

Both dealers offer a extended warranty $1200 for 300K Miles on top of the MFR warranty thats still in effect for both trucks till 500K. Both dealers are about the same distance from my home.

"EGR" is probably the only variable...both guys mentioned that this is a problem down the road....unless I can find a pre-emission 03 of any Mfg with decent mileage...?

Appreciate your comments...Keep'em coming !

i think a pacar product is more well built. the way i look at it is a truck is a tool to make money with. especially the first one. you can find a pre emissions truck with decent milage just need to look. do not count out a MBN (single turbo) cat. might not be the most efficant but damn reliable.

You can unplug the EGR on a Cummins up to a certain year. I had mine unplugged for 4 years on my 03 Cummins.

thought 03 cummins didnt have a EGR?

That happens in the 2-peddle setups. I have always preferred the 3-peddle autoshifts.

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone....Enjoy the Holiday !

03 was the first year.

JB have you ever thought about building your own truck. There is a 04 Pete387 on Ebay with a bad engine (Cummins) with a autoshift. It is priced to high on there and it won't sell but there is a number to call for the seller.

You could have the engine reuilt and rebuild the frontend and be good to go for alot of miles and know exactly what you have.

i've been watching that for a while.