You'll see here, Hobo, that I can lay out some loooong posts, too, so you don't have the corner on that market. Here we go...try to keep up, will ya?
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I believe that what drove him crazy was the battle of wills against the quite degrading characterizations by Gladhand (often supported by Twilight.)
That’s rich. Gladhand got more warnings than Timberwolf in that exchange and I supported neither of them. I made that quite clear, too.
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As god is my witness, I did not know until just now that he was even BANNED.... let alone that (as Twilight mentioned elsewhere) he had resorted to a clear violation of the TOS to precipitate it. I know I tread a fine line at times, but I have no intention of EVER purposely violating the rules in an attempt to force anyone's hand on the trigger.
I only mentioned him because I identify with his angst at not being able to OFFER a differing opinion without being brutalized. I, too, often found him pretty tame and reserved. I can't help but believe that he, too, noticed a major sea change in the attitudes and "common" vitriol since the election of Obama. [And I hope that, like so many others here, he will be given a second chance.]
Don’t hold your breath. He did not just talk smack and get out of hand like others that have crossed the line. He blatantly dipped far beneath the standards of decency in the garbage (and it was exactly that) that he posted. There has never been any place for that on this board and those kinds of actions are a death sentence here. If he comes back under a different name and we find out about it, he’ll be banned again. End of discussion.
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Nope, wrote it and almost posted it. Then I thought about that big hammer you're just waiting to slam down on the BAN button, so I saved it to Notepad and decided not to post it.
Man, if I wanted to ban you, I could have (and maybe should have) many moons ago. The entire moderating team has certainly had just cause and no one here can argue that we haven’t absolutely bent over backwards to allow you to stay. Banning is not something any of us like to do and we will exhaust every avenue to allow someone to remain.
And just because you and I had a “Come to Jesus” meeting, does not give you a free pass or get you off my radar. I will watch and monitor what you say (especially when I get reports) and I will absolutely continue to call you on things, when you are walking on cracking ice.
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There is so much I'd like to say in response to the last FEW posts of yours, but... I don't feel that I would survive the battle.
Why? Because you don’t feel like you can converse without getting hateful and nasty? Sounds like a personal problem to me.
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Besides.... you are starting to sound like a "Mr. Hyde" yourself lately as concerns me, and I don't feel the need to continue to feed your ego (or dementia.)
Typical liberal dance step. :roll: Try to impress me next time. I’m not really concerned that you think I am acting like Mr. Hyde toward you. I am acting toward you like I act toward anyone else that is treading on thin ice and my patience is wearing thin. If that hurts your feelings, look in the mirror and fix the problem. It’s as simple as that.
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I'm sure it would surprise you to know that I agree with much of what you said in your last post.... before you turned on me.
I turned on you? How do you come to that conclusion? Let me try to make this clear…you are in everyone’s sites right now. You are certainly on probation, as you put it, but it’s because of your constant nastiness toward everyone, not because you’re beliefs are far left on a conservative board. You have a habit of leaving the topic and personalizing it, making your attacks on the individual instead of the topic. You have not figured out (or you simply do not care) how to take on a post and do so without getting personal. That’s on you. And if you feel bad or targeted because I’m calling you out, it doesn’t take a whole lot of introspection to figure out why.
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But, as I told Hoggie.... I never GET to agree with anyone (especially YOU) on CAD because I'm too busy defending myself against PERSONAL ATTACKS.
What you term personal attacks is in fact, a disagreement with your mindset. You wear your heart on your sleeve and any time someone disagrees with you, you automatically go into personal attack mode yourself and completely invalidate your argument.
And this…right here, is absolute proof!
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Once more back to you believing – nay, DEMANDING – that everyone think and do exactly like you. You didn’t find a single thread about Haiti here, so decided to lambast the entire board as a bunch of heartless thugs because they didn’t rise up and meet your expectations.
And you come back with:
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May I say.... with all due respect (which is dwindling) GO FRIG YOURSELF.
Dude, you did EXACTLY what I said you did! You took out the entire posting base because someone didn’t make a post on a topic that YOU thought was important! And when I pointed it out, rather than go back and look to see how people are seeing your post, you say GO FRIG YOURSELF.
Classy retort there. :roll:
You know, Hobo, I do not dislike you. I like to think that you are intelligent and can be well-spoken if you get off your woe-is-me horse, even if I think you are currently naïve. And while I don’t dislike Hobo the person (though he p!sses me off sometimes with his blockheadedness) I dislike your belief set and will speak out against it. I dislike the way you handle yourself and because of that, I am forced to play moderator against you at times. I think you’re a liberal and a far left one at that (my opinion and I am entitled to it); I think that you are completely enraptured and blind to the destruction your president is causing this country; and I stand by my assertion that until you open your eyes and see what is going on out there, you are part of the problem of this country. And don’t mistake my comments…there are problem children on BOTH sides of the political fence. It just so happens that right now, right here on CAD, you are the poster child for how NOT to argue your political stance.
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How about you stop complaining about the lack of a topic on the board and join your dad. Go down there and put some good ol’ fashioned elbow grease into it, then come back and tell us what it was like.
You know? I really wish I COULD have. But, like you and most here... I have to work for a living. But, since I got "closer" to it than YOU did.... I suppose I COULD tell what it was like from my Dad's viewpoint.... if anyone cared to hear it. Obviously.... YOU DON'T.
And there you go again…wearing your heart on your sleeve and coming back on something that had absolutely no insult to it at all. I told you to quit complaining that no one had made a post on Haiti. Not an insult…nothing more than a suggestion. Why? Because you ARE complaining about it. And then you conveniently leave out the very next sentence of my reply which says:
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That sort of topic would probably go 6 or 7 pages and garner all sorts of well-earned applause.
Instead of reading that for what it is…WELL EARNED APPLAUSE being a pretty good indicator that it was a positive suggestion…you immediately boast that YOU got closer than I did (do you have any idea what I have or have not done regarding Haiti?) and indicate that no one, especially me, would care to hear what your dad did.
Can you really look at that and honestly tell anyone here that you are not the problem here?
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And this board really IS about YOU.... isn't it? Your own ego/power trip?
Whatever, dude. I can’t even dignify that comment with a reply because it’s so far out there. A four-roller for sure. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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I ACCEPT your judgement that I had become angry and "reactionary." I could not refute it when even Hoggie noticed it and berated me for it. For YEARS, I withstood challenges by The Rev for it. But, this has become "personal" for you now. And that is sad.
Ok…let me get this straight. You ACCEPT that I claim you have become angry and reactionary. You accept it when Hoggie berates you for the same thing. You’ve been challenged “for years” for the exact same thing. But it has suddenly become PERSONAL for me and I am the problem? Do you even read through what you post sometimes?
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It reflects poorly on you as a "moderator," though I am not complaining about your moderation. You've been more than fair with me in that regard (according to YOUR view of the situation.) But, more importantly, it reflects badly on your participation as a MEMBER of CAD.
Why? Because I (or we as moderators) have given you more leeway than anyone else in the history of CAD? How does that reflect poorly on us…or on me, since that seems to be your current line of thinking.
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Your answer that caused Wabbit to question "where it came from," which I refrained from responding to, shows a certain inability to "let it go." And, in fact, a propensity to "stalk" a member with derogatory characterizations. I believe the Rev used to say... "no attacking a poster in a thread he didn't post on." I may be wrong, but I don't remember having posted on the "frozen Gore" thread when you "continued" your little rant against me. Maybe I'm wrong... and you were only talking about Obama and his "law of Landru." But, I took it as a slam against me. Am I wrong?
WTF are you talking about?!? It was a completely off the wall humorous comment…dude, I said the Super Bowl was getting replaced by the Waltons! How on earth do you take that as a shot at you?!? Because I used Landrew in another post? Are you wrong? Um…just a little. :roll:
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You know? It doesn't really matter. You have shown yourself incapable of the type of rational discussion that Hoggie has. Though you have made some valid points that I would love to address, with SOME agreement, you have shown yourself incapable of validating ANY of my opinons or positions, and therefore.... not worth my time. You have.... by default.... proved MY point.
Wow…I don’t even know what to say. Martyr complex much?
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Now, I don't expect things to change, because I don't think you have the balls to apologize and accept your role in this ugly episode in CAD history. I'm quite sure you don't feel or accept any responsibility. So, I guess things will go on as they are (unless I am banned.)
Well, you got one thing right. I certainly have no intention of apologizing. When I do something that requires it, I’ll man up and do so. You are also right about something else…I do have a role in this ugly episode in CAD history. But that role has been one of trying to get you to walk the same line as everyone else should walk. You know, it’s that whole moderator thingy.
I’ll tell you something, Hobo. Prior to the past year or so, I have stayed mostly out of the political discussion. Mostly…not completely. This past year, I have interjected my comments in more than normal. Why? Because I fully believe we are at the most pivotal juncture in our country’s history. I do not believe we will have another free election. I do not believe we will survive this destructive path we are on. I fully believe that your president is hell-bent not on helping anyone but himself and his circle of criminals. My beliefs and I will stand by them. I will not compromise them and just because I have moderator by my name, doesn’t mean I have to keep them to myself.
I can be a moderator and argue a topic and make my point without resorting to calling people demented or power-tripping or ugly or anything like that. I can do that without being a moderator, too, having done so for years dating back to far before my time here on CAD. I also know how to lay down a complete messageboard butt-kicking and get banned for it. Been there, done that, and bought the T-shirt…but also manned up after the fires died down and said “yeah, I could have handled that better.”
In short, I’ll apologize when I cross the line. I haven’t done that here despite your accusations and I have been more than fair throughout this whole incident. But if you cannot or will not look in the mirror and man up to solve YOUR problems, then your stay here is fast coming to an end. There’s nothing I can do about that. It’s your destructive path, not mine. I’m tired of yelling “hey, look out for the cliff!”
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But, there IS a chance to regain civility. The ball is in YOUR court.
You know, I could simply take the ball away from you and kick your skinny little butt off the court if I wanted to. But that hasn’t happened. Says a lot for the length that the entire moderating team here will go to keep what used to be and can very easily be again, a solid contributing member to this board.
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, Twilight.... I was just truly befuddled by the lack of any threads about the earthquake in Haiti! It stood out as a gaping HOLE in the normal discourse of this messageboard. And I apologize for my reaction TO it.
So? How about this. Next time you feel there is a topic of importance that you would like to discuss, try starting one, instead of slamming the rest of the board for not doing it first. I can’t for a moment believe that you cannot see the problem in that.
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No reply needed. Time alone will tell. I've had my say, and I will live with the consequences. But, I really hope that we can start anew.
Actually, we attempted to start anew last week. It didn’t last. I’m not optimistic that we’ll get anywhere this time, either, because if you are truly NOT getting it, I don’t know what else, short of a permaban, will help it sink in.
But hey…you’re still here. Imagine that…
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