I don't know what Kreeper wrote in his first post that he edited out, but it doesn't matter.
As for Kreeper's second post.... it is somewhat correct, mostly confusing, and doesn't in any way truely contradict what the Rev wrote.
The Rev knows his rules! (Almost as well as I do! :lol: )
I guess what Kreeper says about the 14 hour rule including lines 1, 3 and 4 is somewhat correct, but very confusing. And he is WRONG that you MUST log 15 mins for a pretrip after an 8 hour sleeper break. The rules don't say that!
The basic points are THIS:
A 10 hour break (logged in ANY combination of lines 1 and 2 [yes 5 and 5 is legal]) will RESET your entire 11 and 14 hour clocks! (You can spend the whole 10 hours playing video games in the truckstop if you want! But... don't get involved in an accident later!)
A minimum 8 hour sleeper berth break is the ONLY thing that PAUSES the 14 hour clock. (If you sleep for 9 hours you get a 9 hour "pause." If you sleep or break for 10 hours.... you get a full reset! But, if you "sleep" for 7 hours it counts only as a 2 hour break and you still need an 8 hour sleeper break to "split.")
Anything LESS than 8 hours in the sleeper, whether on line 1, 2 or 4, are counted against your 14 hour clock, and you cannot DRIVE past that point.
As for this:
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Rev, i do not know where you came up with what you wrote? When you are on line 1, 3 and 4 you are considered to be "on duty", the only way you can stop that 14 hour clock from ticking away is to log it on line 2 for a "minimum of 8 hours, no more than 10"!!!!
It is a mess! Line 1 is NEVER considered "on duty." However, if less than 10 hours, it DOES count against the 14 hour clock. Also, there is NO RULE against logging line 2 for 10 hours or more. What they mean by "no more than 10" is that IF you log 10 hours in the sleeper, it can't/won't be used to combine with a later (or prior) 2 hour break for SPLIT LOGGING, because OBVIOUSLY it is a full 10 hour break and RESETS your clocks instantly!!!Rev, i do not know where you came up with what you wrote? When you are on line 1, 3 and 4 you are considered to be "on duty", the only way you can stop that 14 hour clock from ticking away is to log it on line 2 for a "minimum of 8 hours, no more than 10"!!!!
So... in essense, I believe Kreeper AND the REV are saying the same thing. The difference is that Kreeper thinks the Rev has made a mistake (which he hasn't) and Kreeper shows a certain lack of understanding of the rules and/or the inability to express himself correctly.
One final hint. If you log 10 hours OFF for a reset.... log 8 of them in the sleeper OR be ready to produce a motel receipt if you are not at home. Some DOT officers will ask for this. You may not HAVE to produce it, but if you're in an accident the lack of such a receipt will go against you in court.
Have I left anything out? Probably! It's always harder to respond to a post than to just post the rules. Unless, of course, you are Dawn. :wink:
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