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Rev.Vassago 02-11-2008 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdgardner963
Count the 8th day back into an otr drivers account the hours come back after the 7th day ask anyone please. read the law dot 328.63 the 8th day you get hours back form the 1st day. :twisted:

8th day available hours is 70-(prior 7 day total). The hours do not come back until the end of the 8th day.

Day 1: 9
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 8
Day 4: 11
Day 5: 10
Day 6: 8
Day 7: 10
__________
Total hours prior 7 days = 64 hours

Total available hours for day 8 = 6 hours

Day 8: 6

Total hours prior 7 days = 61 hours

Total available hours for day 9 = 9 hours (because day 1 just dropped off on day 9).

You regain your hours on day 9. Plain and simple, you are wrong.

mdgardner963 02-11-2008 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Quote:

Originally Posted by mdgardner963
Count the 8th day back into an otr drivers account the hours come back after the 7th day ask anyone please. read the law dot 328.63 the 8th day you get hours back form the 1st day. :twisted:

8th day available hours is 70-(prior 7 day total). The hours do not come back until the end of the 8th day.

Day 1: 9
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 8
Day 4: 11
Day 5: 10
Day 6: 8
Day 7: 10
__________
Total hours prior 7 days = 64 hours

Total available hours for day 8 = 6 hours

Day 8: 6

Total hours prior 7 days = 61 hours

Total available hours for day 9 = 9 hours (because day 1 just dropped off on day 9).

You regain your hours on day 9. Plain and simple, you are wrong.

Are you kidding me? Not a clue at all.. I give.. Cant explain the rules to you, your just to smart. maybe its a good thing your not an otr driver...

Rev.Vassago 02-11-2008 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdgardner963
Are you kidding me? Not a clue at all.. I give.. Cant explain the rules to you, your just to smart. maybe its a good thing your not an otr driver...

You are hilarious. My source was my log book. You add up the last 7 days, and subtract that total from 70. That is your available hours for day 8. Just so you know, I am looking right at my log book as I type this.

YESTERDAY:
RECAP
Day 1: 9
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 8
Day 4: 11
Day 5: 10
Day 6: 8
Day 7: 10(hours worked yesterday)
______________________________
TOTAL HOURS BEFORE TODAY (Add Rows 1-7)
64 hours
AVAILABLE HOURS TODAY, day 8(Subtract total hours from 70)
6 hours
HOURS WORKED TODAY:
6 hours

TODAY (day 9):

RECAP:
Day 1: 8
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 11
Day 4: 10
Day 5: 8
Day 6: 10
Day 7: 6 (today)
______________________________
TOTAL HOURS BEFORE TODAY (Add Rows 1-7)
61 hours
AVAILABLE HOURS TODAY (Subtract total hours from 70)
9 hours


NOW, tell me where that is wrong, since I just took that out of my DOT APPROVED LOGBOOK RECAP :roll:

mdgardner963 02-12-2008 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
Quote:

Originally Posted by mdgardner963
Are you kidding me? Not a clue at all.. I give.. Cant explain the rules to you, your just to smart. maybe its a good thing your not an otr driver...

You are hilarious. My source was my log book. You add up the last 7 days, and subtract that total from 70. That is your available hours for day 8. Just so you know, I am looking right at my log book as I type this.

YESTERDAY:
RECAP
Day 1: 9
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 8
Day 4: 11
Day 5: 10
Day 6: 8
Day 7: 10(hours worked yesterday)
______________________________
TOTAL HOURS BEFORE TODAY (Add Rows 1-7)
64 hours
AVAILABLE HOURS TODAY, day 8(Subtract total hours from 70)
6 hours
HOURS WORKED TODAY:
6 hours

TODAY (day 9):

RECAP:
Day 1: 8 - 8 on the 8th day
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 11
Day 4: 10
Day 5: 8
Day 6: 10
Day 7: 6 (today)
______________________________
TOTAL HOURS BEFORE TODAY (Add Rows 1-7)
61 hours
AVAILABLE HOURS TODAY (Subtract total hours from 70)
9 hours


NOW, tell me where that is wrong, since I just took that out of my DOT APPROVED LOGBOOK RECAP :roll:


mdgardner963 02-12-2008 12:07 AM

I am sorry what your failing to understand is that the 8th day if your under the 70 then day 1 comes back to you.. i know its hard to understand but its Fed dot rule not mine.

Rev.Vassago 02-12-2008 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdgardner963
I am sorry what your failing to understand is that the 8th day if your under the 70 then day 1 comes back to you.. i know its hard to understand but its Fed dot rule not mine.

No, what you are failing to understand is that it is 70 hours in 8 days, not 70 hours in 7 days. Day 1 does not come back until the 9th day.

Cat6869 02-12-2008 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdgardner963
I am sorry what your failing to understand is that the 8th day if your under the 70 then day 1 comes back to you.. i know its hard to understand but its Fed dot rule not mine.

When doing your recap if you look at line 1 (hopefully you have the 7 day recap on your log sheet??) on the log sheet you are filling out you will gain what's on line 1 @ midnight (which makes that your 9th day).

So most are telling you correctly but not stressing how you gain that day!

I have power point that might help you understand it a "little" more clearer.

What you should be doing is this: Before you start working every day the recap should be filled out (now many recaps are shown differently on the log sheet so I pray you have the 7 day recap and boxes 1,2 & 3?? However the answer will be the same if you do it on a scrap paper!


So I am getting ready to start working on 2-12-08 but I need to fill out my recap BEFORE I start driving. My last 7 days hours are listed below:

11
9.5
5
4
10
9
8
___

Last 7 day total is 56.5

Take 70 minues 56.5 and the answer is 13.5
that means for 2-12 I have 13.5 hours to "work" lines 3 & 4 combined.

Now lets say I work all those 13.5 hours!

At midnight (9th day) I will gain 11 hours, because every night @ midnight you gain the hours that you worked on line 1 Or what you worked 8 days ago!

DOT states you can not work MORE than 70 hours in 8 days! So add up the hours you have worked the last 7 days and today and subtract that from 70 hours and that's how many hours you can legally work right now. Midnight will make them hours change because it's a "new day".

Did this help clarify a little of the dispute without the attacks?
PM me if you would like

bullhauler 02-12-2008 03:19 AM

day 1
11 driving 2hrs to p t and load fuel 13hrs

day 2
11hrs driving 1hr pt fuel 14hrs

day 3
11hrs driving 3hrs pt unload, load fuel.14 hrs

day 4
11 hrs driving 1hrs pt fuel. 13hrs

day 5
5.5hrs driving .5 pt 6 hrs

day1 start time was 6am.
out of hrs at mid day Friday right. 34hr reset good to go 4am sun day
11 driving 1hr pt fuel 74hrs driving and on duty in 7 days why use the 8 day rule. go on blow a hole in it but remember a reset is a reset

Rev.Vassago 02-12-2008 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat6869
Quote:

Originally Posted by mdgardner963
I am sorry what your failing to understand is that the 8th day if your under the 70 then day 1 comes back to you.. i know its hard to understand but its Fed dot rule not mine.

When doing your recap if you look at line 1 (hopefully you have the 7 day recap on your log sheet??) on the log sheet you are filling out you will gain what's on line 1 @ midnight (which makes that your 9th day).

So most are telling you correctly but not stressing how you gain that day!

I have power point that might help you understand it a "little" more clearer.

What you should be doing is this: Before you start working every day the recap should be filled out (now many recaps are shown differently on the log sheet so I pray you have the 7 day recap and boxes 1,2 & 3?? However the answer will be the same if you do it on a scrap paper!


So I am getting ready to start working on 2-12-08 but I need to fill out my recap BEFORE I start driving. My last 7 days hours are listed below:

11
9.5
5
4
10
9
8
___

Last 7 day total is 56.5

Take 70 minues 56.5 and the answer is 13.5
that means for 2-12 I have 13.5 hours to "work" lines 3 & 4 combined.

Now lets say I work all those 13.5 hours!

At midnight (9th day) I will gain 11 hours, because every night @ midnight you gain the hours that you worked on line 1 Or what you worked 8 days ago!

DOT states you can not work MORE than 70 hours in 8 days! So add up the hours you have worked the last 7 days and today and subtract that from 70 hours and that's how many hours you can legally work right now. Midnight will make them hours change because it's a "new day".

Did this help clarify a little of the dispute without the attacks?
PM me if you would like

Isn't that pretty much exactly what I said? :?

VitoCorleone99 02-12-2008 05:10 AM

It doesn't matter how you explain it. The dude thinks the rule says eight days but means seven. That's some brilliant reasoning, as far as I'm concerned.


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