DAWN: Always a day late and a dollar short. :lol:


So, according to your stellar and insightful advice above, apparently this log is perfectly legit:

Driver drives for 1 hour after a 10 hour break, then goes to sleeper berth for 2 hours. He then unloads for 5 hours, before going into the sleeper berth for 8 hours.

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After the 8 hour break, he follows Dawn's advice:

Since he has zero hours of driving inbetween the 8 and 2 breaks, he drives for 11 hours before going into the sleeper for 2 hours.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1...ago1/day-2.jpg

Is this the same advice that you give to the drivers of your employer, Dawn? :roll:

If you read my full advice and not just how you figure the driving time!

There is 3 steps! The first steps are figuring out the 14 hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Step 1: go to the end of the previous break! Count over 14 hours! The mark in your day 1 would be 5:00 pm when the original 14 hour ended.
Step 2: Go to the end of the previous break! Look forward do you have an 8 hour sleeper break? Yes: The count over 8 hours from your 14 hour you just figured on step 1. This would make your 14 hour end @ 1:00 am.
Step 3: Add up driving times between the 8 & 2 hour break; subtract that from 11 and that is how many hours you can drive as long as the 14 hour allows this.

So you would not get the full hours available in this situation because your 14 hour ended @ 1:00 am. So this driver is in violation from 1:00 am

This is why stressed 3 steps to figuring it out! Not the 1 you are focussing on! :roll:

I only see one step here:

Again - the question was answered LONG before you were here. :roll:

Yeap I see that it was answered but I was reading in order and replying in order! Again If you READ! I said 3 steps and I already replied to him via pm stating the 3 steps very clearly! So you can pick on someone else, because I honesly laugh at your stupidity! :lol: and I laugh at the one's who follow you, shows me they are not leaders, they are followers :lol:

Funny someone else answered and you came along and gave the wrong information. Hmm why did you answer the incorrect information?

So why answer a question that was already answered correctly? Is it just to increase your post count?

You said three steps, and only listed one. :roll:

And I realized my mistake, and admitted I was wrong.................unlike what you do when you are wrong. :roll:

I replied because as you can see below someone asked me to! Sarcastically or not, they asked!
2 as you can see in my first response I stated exactly the 3 steps in figuring out the 14 hour and driving time. Did I number them, NOPE! But the steps are there! I specifacly answered the question and gave them an example in how you come up with the answer. More than I seen on any reply, which helps the driver understand future issue's he/she might run into! So again, you quote only the words to make someone look wrong, when in deed reading the whole post it stresses very well you must look at the 14 hour and the 11 hour!

Rev the jack ass :roll: that thinks he is the only one who knows everything and explains it the best.

BanditsCousin wrote:
Paging dawn...you have a cleanup in aisle 5!

We have 3 different views here.


Bandit I already pm'd him. I gave him a reply that should help him understand. He was correct in his own statement he made!
He had 11 hours to drive!
His 14 would restart from the end of the 2 as Golf stated, however he had an 8 hour sleeper break so that would extend the 14 hour.

So if his 2 hour break ENDED @ 12:00 am his original 14 was up @ 2:00 pm.
Now he had the 8 hour sleeper break so now his 14 hour is up @ 10:00 pm. (the 8 hour break extended the 14 hour)
The 14 hour is just as important as the 11 hour. They both need to be figured before driving!

His driving time from 12:00 am to 10:00 pm can not total more than 11 hours until he gets a 2 hour break!

I didn't even read half the comments I just saw you begging for my answer!

3 simple steps to figuring out when the 14 hour is up and how much driving time is available.
Always add driving time in between the 8 & 2 breaks subtract from 11 and that is how many hours you have available to drive.

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No offense Dawn,but as someone who has filled out a log everyday for the last 21 years you really didn't help me.
All I needed was a reinforcement of my beliefs that I was right and I got that from Golf and Rev(eventually).You might want to asses how you explain this rule to any drivers that do not have significant experience as you're pm was rather confusing and not really helpful.

I knew that Rev. was wrong at first because I knew he didn't totally read my post,but I also knew he would eventually get it right.

Just making it bigger, so she can see it.

Just making it bigger so she can see it.

Which I did - long before Dawn stuck her nose in here. :lol:

I am sorry it did not help you, but it is a simple procedure and if you can't follow A, B & C, then it really shows me your intelligence. Again as I have said those who follow Rev are followers not leaders, so you show me which category you fit in!

You stated words I used in your first thread so therefore I know you may have learned these words from me in the first place or the person you heard them from learned them from me :lol:
I always tell driver's to your words copied here : ,since you usually take the time driving between the split sleeper berths and subtract from 11 and that gives you what you can drive.
Hmm many people tell the drivers you can drive what you drove prior to the first break, which is very untrue in most cases.


Again sorry I did not help you, but if you attempt the simple math I gave you, it makes you understand it better and does not make you "doubt" yourself and have to ask others!

To Rev & Mike: I start from top to bottom, I ignored Rev's first response and then thought twice to reply since he loves to show I am wrong of course I had to prove he was wrong, I normally don't care, but he picks on me I pick back.

I was asked for me to set you all straight. All the answers prior did not make any sense what so ever! Not even Rev's, being a pro at logging and finding violations I was lost!

So if you don't appreciate my help in trying to understand the proper way of logging, then I really don't care! Those of you who do well thanks and I know you will be logging correctly.
Mike: I am glad you have been logging for 21 years, I have been auditing logs for 18! I doubt the boss I have for 18 years would keep me if I didn't have a GREATTTTTTTTTTTT understanding of the regulations. It means more sticking with one than it means jumping around from company to company! I will argue with a DOT officer on the regulations as I know the rules and I know I explain them well, some just don't know how to read :roll: