Dawn, logbooks don't keep people safe, an alert driver keeps people safe!
Just because you follow the letter of the law doesn't make you a good driver. Log books are like taxes, you fudge a little in the gray areas to make the money. It doesn't make it wrong or right, its just the way it is.
I really think you are beating a dead horse with this one, no disrespect intended, but you should let this one go. Have a happy turkey day.

no ones knocking anyone. were haveing an intelligent discussion about log auditors and the rules as pertaining to the hos regs prescribed by the fmcsa .
no one said log auditors r not allowed to post why dont you stop being so
sensitive.
some officers have common sense and understand a 130 dollar fine is a waste of time.
recap has nothing to do with being legal.
and yes i am going to have a beer .

Nope. Not true. The recap is not required by FMCSA, and is not needed by most who budget their time correctly.

Because some of us understand simple second grade mathematics, and use our time correctly. I can tell you without even adding up the last 7 days how many hours I have available to me today, because I budget my time correctly. I even know that I will come very close to needing to do a 34 hour reset on Friday, but will gain back enough hours that it will not be necessary. After all - it is only 7 little numbers that the driver has to remember, and be able to add together. The recap is just designed to make it easier to remember, as you don't have to look at all the individual logbook pages.

Yeap Truck drivers have to know when they are tired and how to handle all them rough situations they are put in! The Regulations is something you "should follow" I could care less if you want to run legal or not, that is your choice, I have stated that several times! I justanswered questions and offered some information to drivers that "allot" are not aware of or they need help with, that is all I was doing! Everyone else had to turn words around and all this other crazy stuff. You are off subject on this, we was discussing the 70 hour

The driver must do the recap to run legal

Say WHAT??????????

I have read all your posts and put my 2 cents in, I think this is off topic, you wrote

"Why do you have to turn everything around in the words I say? Gosh Rev! One day you will realize it is only you that is being "dumb" I know what I am doing and you or no one else can tell me I DON'T! It is all in the way you and the other one's (not the one's who have personally e-mailed me to thank me) like to turn crap around! I guess you all are young or you are the truck drivers that "know it all" guess what you are the dangerous one's on the road!"

this whole thread gets off topic, Im not trying to put you down but you have said what you wanted to say and logbooks is a art most learn on their own. There is nothing hard about it. Let it go!!!!

If you don't know how many hours you have available how can you be assured you are running legal? Yeah sure If you do a 34 hour restart you don't have to keep a recap for @ least 4-5 days, but you need to do a recap to make sure you are running legal!

I had drivers say I don't run over my 70 hour I don't need to do a recap, funny they was the one's with 70 hour violations all the time!

And I guess if you are a driver who drives very little a week, nope don't need a recap to be legal.

Look the whole point is if you run legal and log legal you won't have any issues! The recap help you stay legal and aware of your hours available so you can "legally" make the most of the hours available.

Maybe I should request DOT to make it a regulation alldrivers should do the re-cap! :lol:

they don't require it , becasue their computer tells them if they really want to know! Next time they take your log book inside or to their car ask if you can watch what they do and ask them why they are doing it!
1) to see if you are over your 11 or 14
2) to see if you are over your 70 hour
3) to see if you have any speeding violations off the log book! Meaning you are logging a point A to point B in 5 hours but it takes at least 6 hours at a minimum! This is a false log!
4) and false logs (if they ask for receipts)

I get a feeling you log paid miles to! Just a feeling I could be wrong :?:

Boy the weather was great today, dont you think...LOL

Because only a MORON cannot add 7 numbers together, and subtract it from 70 without having a recap available.

Then obviously the company you work for employs MORONS.

When I was running regional, I put on between 2800 and 3000 miles per week, and never ran a recap. And that was in the days before the 34 hour reset. I know FOR A FACT that I never went over my hours, as I had a $0.50 Wal-Mart calculator that told me so.

Yes - the recap helps. But it is not necessary for anyone with an I.Q. above 20 that can add numbers together.

I am sure they would LOVE to have your input in the FMCSA regulations. :roll:

And if you don't know that before you get pulled over, then you are a MORON.

A driver is under NO OBLIGATION to provide ANY receipts to DOT.

I bet you are wrong.

Dawn let me ask you a question. How many times have you been in a scale house or a roadside inspection having a logbook inspection?

Before I started using DDL I never used a recap per se. All I did was add the last 7 days (plus today) and subtracted that number from 70. Let's face it -- It is not rocket science. It really is that simple.

you said:I disagree with you on the part "write down what you are doing". ONLY write down what is required. If the company want additional information then put that information on a seperate journal.

you said:As I said before I have never used a "recap". Even when I used DDL ever DOT inspection I had they simply used a calculator as I described above. Never had DOT use a computer to check my logbook.

And BTW I never was cited for a logbook related problem. Many of those logs were some of the most creative logs that could be created. I was never called by the log department nor were they detected by the one DOT audit the company went through. Here's a example.
Using your favorite saying -- "Trust me" Every DOT agent I have talked to will tell you they know drivers cheat on their logbook. Why do you think it is call a comic book?

You said:Having been a instructor in the Air Force and private schools I can relate to how people learn. I stand by my statement -- It is the instructor's job to see that everyone get it. Failure is the instructor not the student. If like the present discussion if a student can't understand something as simple as "recaps" I would question if that student should really be a driver. Or the instructor simply can't teach.

you said:I'm quite sure you have the best intent. What you seem to not understand is many of us know the rules and regulations. We don't need a "nanny". Putting it in plain language -- You came in here acting like a know-it-all talking down to drivers as if they have no clue about the real world. Many of us have spent days/weeks learning the rules and regulations. You can in here using your cheat sheet and then question someone who uses the rules and regulation when they support their arguments. Think for a moment -- how many times have you made the comment about using cut and paste and just trust me. In the first example (cut and paste) you seem to put more stock in your cheat sheets than the quoted words. In the second example (just trust me) is a put down. As if you are the only person that understands the rules and regulations. Which simple not the case.

You act as if your way is the only way. Your views may be correct for the way you do your work but what other do is every bit as valid and in some cases more valid. You have stepped outside your limited world and then insulted those that disagree with your view. Needless, to say that rubs people the wrong way.

I suggest you go back over your postings and look at them from the other persons view. See if you would accept them as they are written. Would you see them in the same light. Or would you see them as a "know-it-all" who puts people down.

Sorry for this vary long post.

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