Getting hours back
 

How do I get hours back on my logbook after the 8th day. I need a good example of how to calculate that on my log. I am having trouble understanding how to do this. Any help would be appreciated.
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You should be using the recap found on the inside cover of your log book. It makes it a lot easier.

At the end of today add up all hours worked from today back 8 days. Subtract from 70 and that will give you the hours available for tomorrow.

The 9th day back will be the amount of hours you will gain for tomorrow when added to any hours left over at the end of today.

If you set for 34 consecutive hours without doing any kind of work then you can get your entire 70 hours back.

Yeah,just as Uturn said,you can start over on your hours when you are off duty for a consecutive 34 hours.

I can help you the best I can
 

Give me your hours worked lines 3&4 total. for the dates below

11
12
13
14
15
16
17

Tell me what you have done so far today also lines 3 & 4.

Which rule are you under the 60/7 day or the 70/8 day?

If you are doing the re-cap on your log sheet and it has 1-7
 

Re-cap on the log sheet do this

Line 1 this is your hours worked on the 11th
Line 2 this is your hours worked on the 12th
Line 3 this is your hours worked on the 13th
Line 4 this is your hours worked on the 14th
Line 5 this is your hours worked on the 15th
Line 6 this is your hours worked on the 16th
Line 7 this is your hours worked on the 17th

Box 1 Total lines 1-7 up and enter the answer
Box 2 Take box # 1 and subtract it from 70 and enter the answer in box 2

Box 3 This is filled out at the end of the day for today.

The re-cap should be filled out before you start driving every day. The 8th day tells you how many hours you have available so you don't go over your 70 hours

34-hour restart: Pretty simple. 34 hours off between lines 1 & 2 and you will have 0's on lines 1-7. Box 1 0 Box 2 70!

Oh I forgot to add, every night at midnight you gain whats on line #1.

So if I had 10.5 on line 1 of that re-cap, when midnight hits I know I will have 10.5 hours @ LEAST to "WORK" tomorrow. Plus any I did not use out of my hours available today.

RE-cap on the log sheet is the easiest I have found, but it is all on what you pick up the easiest! :lol:

Just do like Uturn said-keep your recap current

Re: If you are doing the re-cap on your log sheet and it has
 

If you gain hours back, how do you calculate that on the recap to make it look legal. I need an example. I am trying to figure this out for my husband, he is stuck in Texas. Let me know as soon as you can.
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Since Dawn, the "expert in her own mind" has once again made it more confusing than it needs to be, I will give you the answer you are looking for:


If I worked 8 hours a day for 7 days in a row, my recap would look like this:

Day 1 : 8
Day 2: 8
Day 3 : 8
Day 4: 8
Day 5: 8
Day 6: 8
Day 7: 8
____________
Total: 56

Hours available to work today: 14 (70 hours minus the 56 I've already worked)

If I worked 11 hours today, tomorrow's recap would look like this:

Day 1: 8
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 8
Day 4: 8
Day 5: 8
Day 6: 8
Day 7: 11
____________
Total: 59

Hours available today: 11 (70 minus the 59 already worked)


So when recapping your hours, just take the oldest set of hours in the recap, and remove them. Then add the hours from yesterday to the bottom of the recap, and re-add up the totals.

Lets say he worked this:
Day 1: 8 hours-70=62
Day 2: 8 hours-62=54
Day 3: 8 hours-54=46
Day 4: 8 hours-46=38
Day 5: 8 hours-38=30
Day 6: 8 hours-30=22
Day 7: 10 hours-22=12
Day 8: 10 hours-12=2

Now when he reaches the nineth day should it look like this
Day9: 10-12=2
If so, how do you keep from DOT from wanting to know how you got those extra 8 hours.
I gues what I am saying is that do you just add the 8 hours onto the 2 left for the nineth day or do you have to redo your log.
I don't mean to be stupid, but I do not drive a truck my husband does, and even he doesn't know how to do this.

You are required to have the prior 8 days logs in your posession. DOT can (and will) go back and look at the prior days. All they have to do is look at YESTERDAY'S recap, and it will show the hours that are dropping off for today.

Yes - you just add the hours that drop off onto the current day. In your example, you would add 8 hours to day 9, giving you 10 hours to work. You are on the right track. :wink:

One thing to note is that if you do a 34 hour reset, then you should just record 0 for the prior 7 days, even if he had hours that he worked. 34 hour resets zero out everything.

sorry rev,your wrong,your only required to have the prior 7 days,not 8

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...ction_toc=1942

Ok, I'm no trucker, but, common sense would say that if you're keeping the previous 7 days and the current days, that would give you 8. I think you're both saying the same thing....

no what rev said was "prior" 8 days plus current,which would be 9 days of logs,we are only required to have 8 days total,7 prior and the current day we are working on,i was just correcting his obvious typo :P

Lets say he worked this:
Day 1: 8 hour = 8
Day 2: 8 hours = 8 + 8 = 16
Day 3: 8 hours = 8 + 8 + 8 = 24
Day 4: 8 hours = 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 = 32
Day 5: 8 hours = 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 = 40
Day 6: 8 hours = 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 = 48
Day 7: 10 hours = 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 10 = 58
Day 8: 10 hours = 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 10 = 68
Day 9: 8 hours = 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 10 + 8 = 68
Day 10: 5 hours = 8 + 8 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 10 + 8 + 5 = 65
Day 11: 10 hours = 8 + 8 + 8 + 10 + 10 + 8 + 5 + 10 = 67
Day 12: 0 hours has 34 hours off-duty = 0
Day 13: 12 hours = 0 + 12 = 12

The hours available on day 8 are calculated by adding the hours on duty for the 7 previous days. If the hours on duty for the seven previous day's equals 68 hours the driver has 2 hour they can use day 8.

70 hours in 8 consecutive days

60 hours in 7 consecutive days

The driver cannot drive after accumulating 60 hours in seven days or 70 hours in eight consecutive days.

Be safe.

Doogle: I sent you an e-mail!

Yes, but I MEANT the 7 days plus the current day. What I said was irrelevant. :wink: :P

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Nice "dodge!" :wink:

Uturn said:

Sorry, Uturn, but this is incorrect. Today's available hours are calculated by subtracting the last SEVEN days from 70. Ninth day back is irrelevant.

Doogle: Your example is wrong on line 8.

Other examples and info given is mostly correct, but somewhat confusing to newbies. Using words like "line 1" doesn't adequately indicate what figure you are to "drop off."

I use a J.J.Keller logbook, and there ARE NO lines 1-7 on the individual pages. So.... assuming we are talking about the recap found on the inside cover of the book, let's start from scratch.

There are 31 numbered lines on this recap form for a reason. If the first day you work this month is the 11th. START there. But... let's assume for this example that you start work on the 1st of the month, and just came off a 34 hour reset.

I'm going to show/explain to you a simple matrix that will keep you from having to add up a bunch of numbers all the time. I wish I knew how to use my "draw" program so that I could show it to you, but essentially it goes like this:

From far left column (which is today's hours and I will call column "T" ) to the far right (column C) to the top left (column T(n) where (n) is the EIGHTH day back,) to the bottom left and one column over (which is column "A") to one more over which is column "B."

Now.. asuming the 34 hour reset and starting on day 1 of the month, the totals for A and C will be identical for the first 7 days, and column B will be 70 minus A.

NOW... on the 8th day, do THIS:

Enter today's hours worked (lines 3 & 4 from log SHEET) in column T.

Add T to previous day's A but skip over and enter in column C.

Go to top left and subtract T(n) ... day 1 in this example... from C and enter in today's column A. Subtract A from 70 and enter in column B.

NOW... draw a diagonal line through the box for T(n)!

On day 9.... enter today's hours in T, add to previous A, skip over to C and enter that total. From THAT total (C) subtract T(n) at top left [which will be the second day worked, or the first box without a strikeout through it, and enter that total in today's column A. Subtract THAT amount from 70, and enter in today's column B.

T(n) will always be the first of the previous seven days worked NOT COUNTING today. Don't forget to strike through it after subtracting it from C.

Confused?? Try it... it will make sense. And it works. Remember:

T = todays hours worked.
T + A = C
C - T(n) = A
70 - A = B

In case your recap is NOT labeled like Keller's....

T = today's hours worked.
A = Total for last 7 days.
B = Hours available for tomorrow.
C = Total hours worked last 8 days.

I posted this because Doogle asked for help. I believe this is a simple matrix that works well and "becomes" easy to follow. Just make sure you don't get confused and start subtracting the wrong figures. Follow the steps.

I hope this helps! Now, Rev... go ahead and put me down or argue with me! I'm sure you'll find something wrong with it! :roll:

Hobo

I didn't even read it. I have a headache, and just glancing at your post made it worse. :wink:

I don't put down people (unless they deserve it). Just sayin'.

I use a J.J.Keller logbook, and there ARE NO lines 1-7 on the individual pages. So.... assuming we are talking about the recap found on the inside cover of the book, let's start from scratch

Golf: I didn't say ALL Keller log books had the lines 1-7, as I know not all of them do. If he did that would have been great, who knows it could be one of my drivers! I did ask for his hours just in case his did and if I had his hours I could help him at least know what the answer should be.
Now I appreciate the information on the front cover, I will study this when I bring a log book home and see if it does help me understand it. As I admitted in the post I never could learn it and I have been doing logs 18 years, but I require my drivers to do their re-cap on their log sheet, that way I know they are doing a re-cap. But thanks for the "DETAILS" on the re-cap I hope I can get it! I really haven't tried though! I am not being a smart butt either!

Thanks

That is because all you know how to do is "copy & paste" now you know what your post look like, a bunch of words! At least his was his own words and his own knowledge in teaching someone! :lol:

You are a log book manager, and you can't even do a recap? And yet you are trying to help other people do their recaps? :shock:

Which part is confusing you? Is it the adding of the 7 numbers together? Or perhaps the subtracting from 70? How is doing a recap difficult? Any $0.50 Wal-Mart calculator will do all the work.

As I said before! I require my drivers to do their re-cap on their log sheets! I have never had to learn the re-cap on the front and I have never had anyone actually explain it to me! I do know the drivers who do use it, tend to go over their 70 hour because of confussion! I know how to do a recap!

Why do you have to turn everything around in the words I say? Gosh Rev! One day you will realize it is only you that is being "dumb" I know what I am doing and you or no one else can tell me I DON'T! It is all in the way you and the other one's (not the one's who have personally e-mailed me to thank me) like to turn crap around! I guess you all are young or you are the truck drivers that "know it all" guess what you are the dangerous one's on the road! Because I have been a log auditor for 18 years and I can learn new things every day! I am open to learning and that is why I came here to learn from drivers and drivers to learn from me! I have touched several people here and you Rev or anyone else can't run me off! I have touched thousands of drivers on the road and I am like by thousands! And of course I am a log auditor so I am the mean one, but they of course say that jokingly, cause I am a pleasant person to them as I understand the rough life they lead on the road!

When someone ask a question about the 11 hour rule they don't want all the freaken exceptions, they want to understand how the 11 hour rule works, the exceptions can come later!

So Rev: Being the way you are is only showing me how un intelligent you really are and reminding me that some men are really "JERKS" (You know what I really want to say right?) :lol:

So go Rev up at church and learn some manners :twisted: What you need the devil church :twisted:

I have never had to learn the re-cap on the front and I have never had anyone actually explain it to me!

And you're in Safety?

So you know how to do it, yet you don't? :?:

You are doing a good enough job of that yourself. I am just pointing it out.

Including the FMCSA, whose "dumb" rules frequently contradict what you say.

I doubt anyone has "emailed" you.

And what exactly are you basing this claim on?

And neither has really happened.

I hope you made sure they were all of legal age before you "touched" them.

No - because the EXCEPTIONS are important. They cannot come later.

No, I am blunt, to the point, and I don't take BS, which is something you have a knack for dishing out.

Nope - ain't gonna happen. I have no need to sugar coat anything.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

This post gives me a headache. :roll:

Whose post? Mine? If so, then my job is done. :wink:

i wouldnt do a recap on a log sheet unless i was close to 70 and felt curious. only so much ink in that pen. their is no differnce in a recap filled out on a log sheet and one on the front jacket they effect to the same total if used correctly.
dawn would you care to take a group of us drivers and re audit your drivers logs for every mistake we find you missed, will you pay us $100.00
need work will audit logs for food/ beer.

She's "Liked" by THOUSANDS.
how wonderful

I would love to have her audit my logs, and get $100 for everything she misses. I would purposely fill them with mistakes for that, and become wealthy beyond imagination.

will she or he notice the 2hour drive between atlanta and nashville
personally being a log auditor would suck staring at a screen all day looking at graphs. frequent computer errors. and drivers like me who write ineligibly.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :P

Funny Ken: But no need to worry about errors! I definitely do not need to worry about working for food/beer!

And for checking the actual re-cap you don't have to check the re-cap unless a driver needs help learning how to do it or if they made a mistake! The re-cap is not a DOT regulations to be filled out!

Ken: Termed driver for "False Logs" DAC reports! Ken will be on the street corner begging for money :roll:

i allready know that dawn. thanks for telling me what i allready knew.
now do you really know im on the street corner begging for grub you must be that lady on the other side of the street winking at me.

Yea gives me a headache too, and not just Dawn either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It seems to me some of the regular posters just wait for a chance to strike at someone. Its like they live for the hate and discontent. Sure Dawn comes off a little pushy, but to beat a dead horse and continue with their holier than thou attitude just proves, small things amuse small minds!!! Yooper, you are a moderator here and I cant believe you would indulge in this and let it continue! I believe in speaking your mind, so speak it and then let it go!!!!!!!!!!!!

I spelled Yoopr wrong so I had to edit it, didn't want some of the prima donnas here to critique my spelling like I have seen many in the past posts do...lol

KC: I do agree with everything you are saying about providing more information than needed. The only thing I can say is the fact that the more you do have and the information is legible the less likely DOT is going to mess with you anyhow.

For the 70 hour/re-cap: Well if DOT writes you up strictly on the basis your recap shows you in violations could be argued. You could have made an error. What the officer and myself do, is we enter the last 7 days plus the 8th day which tells us if you have a 70 hour rule violation. I do not depend solely on the drivers re-cap, although I do solely rely on helping the driver by taking a look to see if he/she is filling it out correctly and if they are not I send them a message letting them know. Truckers have allot on their mind and I have had many drivers get confused and it is great to have prior logs to see how they are doing on the re-cap.


Everything boils down to what someone said earlier! Log it as you do it, Don't speed and write down what you are doing and you should not have a problem with anyone Company or DOT because you are logging legal!
DOT is pretty smart when they see you are not doing a re-cap they know ok, I will run it through my computer now, and then what if you had made a math error on lines 3 or 4 and yeah your "other sheet" says you are not in violation but the math error you had no clue about will be caught, if you did your recap and it did not show the math error DOT probably would not have ran the last 7 plus today's log in his computer. DOT when they come into the office it doesn't matter if you don't write the word Fuel, load etc. They have all documentation relating to the trip and let me tell you they inspect it very thoroughly. I have seen drivers who log neatly and log everything they tend "not to look so hard" That goes on the road also. DOT can't stand drivers trying to falsify their logs! A good auditor or DOT officer can look at a log book and know ok, he is trying to get over on me! Trust me, it is like knowing your kid is lying to you!
It is just little tips to help pass them, as an in the office experience and drivers experience from OTR.

Orientation Training: Well let me tell you about that, Everyone is different, everyone has a different learning capability , so you can beat a guy to death to learn something and he doesn't get it, he goes to someone else and he learns it, because of different words the person uses or pictures! Also in orientation you are "bored" thinking about family, thinking about making money! You have been there 2 days, can't smoke when you want etc. I am very thorough in my orientation class, but when a driver ask about splitting I go over splitting and make sure he/she understands the 11 & 14, when they ask about 70 hour I explain that, there is things (the like being on line 4 past your 70) I do not explain and tell them once you master that let me know and I will teach you a few other tricks that "might" help you one day!

Now as for me, I apologize for grammar error's I didn't realize that I had to be perfect in this room! I see many on the ones complaining about me, but I don't nit pick at people! I came here to chat with you guys to maybe learn things as I have learned many things from drivers, no not the regulations, just how things go out on the road!

I am not desperate but I do feel I am not going to let 2 people run me off! Everyone has their own way of explaining things and it might be Rev they understand the best or a newbie like me! I do know I have not given any false information here and again unfortunately some will learn by handing out the money in their pocket for the fines, but I can say I tried!



Now I love to hear what DOT said while they audit your logs and you feel they was wrong. Trust me sometimes they are wrong and I like to know what they are saying to the drivers! So we can all learn from each other, we all relate to the same issue's or we would not be here!

Sorry so long winded but you know us females! Especially me the dumb one :lol:

your implying the dot are the gestapo logbook police this is not the case.
i have been checked on quite a few occasions and even one morning i was stopped after not having filled it out fortunetly i had the lst 6 days good to go i filled it out and went on my way.
It is not your job as a log auditor to be teaching drivers a few tricks.
simple as this you say log it as you do it. if your company operates legaly in hos compliance then your drivers need not worry about anything.
sleep easy
happy thxgiving now go get yourself all liquired up dawn and enjoy your holidays

Ken: I did not see anywhere that it said "log auditors" are not allowed, it says Rules and Regulations message board! I am not trying to teach anyone anything wrong, and everyone has their own method/way of training! How hard is that to understand? I thought you was knocking Rev and everyone else a minute ago about knocking me down!
The driver must do the recap to run legal if he did not do the recap then he would not know if he was legal or not!
Some officers let drivers off the hook for things they shouldn't and some don't understand the reg's fully due to lack of training or understanding!
Go have a beer dude! :D