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I am a Substance Abuse Professional and have seen it go both ways. Don't know the reason but some owner operators get reported right away.

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Originally Posted by coolbreeze_ (Post 537850)

A pre employment failure is not going on your DAC. If you read the DAC, it is for previous employers only. The regulations require you to do an SAP if you were an employee and failed. You could easily go to Canada and smoke legally and then come back and fail a pre employment. This doesn't mean you did anything wrong. The nutjobs on here that want to make you feel like a junky are just that -- nutjobs. Most of them smoke cigarettes, and cigarettes can interfere with the safe operation of a commercial vehicle just as much, if not more, than weed can. You can get a stroke or heart attack from smoking cigarettes. Maybe they should test for cigarettes too. Smoking weed can reduce the size of tumors and make you healthier. It can help improve your eyesight too. It can save children from dying of cancer. It can do many things that tobacco can't. You can get an undiagnosed cancer from cigarettes and then fall out dead and wreck. Maybe they should test for cigs! The kind of people that want you to live life according to their rules don't really have very many people in their life that can tolerate them. Who cares what they think anyway? They are just crusty old farts with an attitude and they will die just as miserably as they lived. You can be weed free for months and still fail a test. That doesn't mean you are less than a crusty old whiner that chain smokes and judges people based upon his small little opinions that aren't that important anyway. If you did get into a problem with DOT over a pre employment I'm sure it would be any easy case to win in court. They can make all the little arbitrary rules they want, but they have bigger fish to fry. You didn't kill anyone. Furthermore, a company is not going to want to be putting all their pre employment fails into a database anymore than you would want them there. They know info can and will eventually be used against them and they volunteer as little as possible for good reasons. They don't want to be perceived as a company that users flock to. You can forget about all the retards posting that pre employments go on DACs. They are just sad little people with no life and no happiness. They have no respect for the quality of information online. They just want to be the sad little people they are and make the world worse than it is. They want you to feel like a meth head or something when they are most likely the more miserable person when honestly and thoroughly compared. Driving while ****ed up is one thing and shouldn't be done. Doing what you want on your own time is an entirely different thing and should be encouraged in a free country. The miserable people on here that want to pass judgment are just ass clowns and shouldn't be taken very seriously. Whose life is it anyway? Do they pay your bills? Let them live in misery and don't take them serious. All that being said, there are 8 states that I know of that require the MRO to report all failures to them, and you will lose your CDL if you live in one of those states. Does the MRO know about this or not? Who knows for sure? I'm sure there could be an instance of an MRO sending this information to a state that doesn't require it too. Truth be known: There is a risk when you fail any DOT test. It isn't right by any means. Failing a test for weed doesn't make you a criminal, but it can hurt you just as badly. The test is flawed in my opinion. A coke head can be clean in 3 days and someone smoking some weed can take months to be clean. The coke head is probably more likely to steal something to support a habit. It's a ****ed up situation for sure. The hard truth is we live in a dynamic world with so many variables going on that nobody can really give a straight answer when there are none. If an MRO just decides to report all fails to all states then who can stop them? If a company gets upset because you told them to eat **** and then they said oh yeah well how about this horse **** on your DAC now then what could be done. People always want to assign a blame for everything by looking at the past with a microscope. It is easy to tell if someone is ****ed up at the present time: saliva swabs for drugs, blood tests for alcohol -- easy peasy. That isn't the total goal though. If you aren't ****ed up they want to go to the past with a microscope and talk **** to an elderly judge and convince him that you are **** so they can get some money. If they really wanted to know who the ****tier person was the lawyers should look in the mirror. There really is no right or wrong when it is all said and done. There is just what I can make you believe and how much can I get paid. Fair and just has never been the goal.

I know it's a couple months later but I kinda wasn't d to see more of what u know and let you know iam on the same level of thinking as you. I recently got my cdl A and had a job, but it wasn't working out so I went and took another piss test for another company. I got denied the job probly because of my backround I assume (minor misdemeanor DC). Anyways I took a pre employment test for a company and used fake piss the first time. They told.me it.was over temp so I ****ing left. The company let me go back and retake in front of a doctor. I knew I was gonna be positive so I grabbed some intant clean before I went back and failed. Whatever my fault I ****ed up. Here my issue is if I want to smoke a hit to regulate my appetite which is why I smoke weed what the ****.is the problem. My bad it's so long but basically because of this failed weed test for a preemployment job I now have a disqualified cdl until I go threw classes. Just wondered if you knew more about that and green is a medicine people should.be held more accountable for high cholesterol, blood pressure, arthritis, lack of.exercise, ****ing heroin ... Sorry for the rant and iam on a phone so u might have to figure some sentences out ... Thanks for getting back to me if you do.

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Originally Posted by coolbreeze_ (Post 537850)

Seems to me that you are doing the judging. Great advice that you gave! Thanks and welcome to the board!

Do some research before blustering like this again. Bob Marley.

Contains drug/alcohol records including pre-employment test results on drivers not hired

DAC Report, DAC Employment History File | HireRight

The DAC report provides information on the period of service, equipment operated, loads hauled, driver status and experience, reason for leaving, rehire eligibility, number of accidents with accident detail, drug and alcohol histories including pre-employment test results, and truck driving school performance records.

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Originally Posted by Roadhog (Post 538611)

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Hey coolbreeze,

Here's a special logbook for you. Completely DOT compliant. I used all of the good internet information that you crow about.

Please print this out, and hand over to the next DOT officer at your window or at a scale. Tell the officer that you are operating on LINE 5.

Your're most welcome!
CAD NUTJOB

If you're still driving.................

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Sorry to "sober you up" there, Belpre... but that log page is NOT DOT compliant. You'll need to make that Jack Daniels break another 15 minutes longer to satisfy the "30 minute break" rule!

Need some help in Oregon. My husband just had a u.a. and they said the sample was not at temperature. They sent the info to DMV but I don't know what the next steps are. Any info would be appreciated!

If I remember right, some companies report it, some don't. I've never talked to anyone who said they failed a pre-employment drug test and that it was reported to Hire Right. I have talked to two people who said they failed pre-employment drug tests and it never showed one their DAC report.

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Originally Posted by mpwelsh007 (Post 166721)

OK. here's the deal. i am having an argument with another guy on classadrivers about this subject.

if you fail a pre-employment drug test, it will not go on you dac report because you are not employed by that company, hence pre-employment. he says that it will be on the dac report. i say it will not be on the dac report.

which is true?

I heard it will not go to the report. Technically it is the company who should claim this fact, and you are not an employee.

So, my husband JUST got his CDL license. Hasn't even been a month. He used to smoke marijuana but stopped a few months before he decided to get his license. He recently applied for a job that asked for a urine and hair drug test. He passed the urine test, just like he passed the DOT urine test a month ago. But the hair sample went back 6 months!! He failed the hair test. The company stated that they were obligated to report the failed test to the SC DOT. The SC DOT told me that they don't "count" hair samples. The federal motor carrier told me the same thing. The SC DMV really didn't tell me anything. All they said was that each report is taken on a case by case basis. Now my husband is terrified that his CDL license are in jeopardy when he hasn't even had a chance to use them! Does he have anything to worry about??

He should have never applied with a carrier that does hair follicle tests.. The Hair Follicle tests are not approved to satisfy the FMCSR/DOT requirements for drug tests and all the articles I can find state that these hair test results cannot be shared either. I do NOT know 100% and at this time it may be time to contact a lawyer to see what the options are here. I would say that he damned sure should be worried because while the results "cannot be shared" apparently in SC.. someone sure thinks that they are. They cannot as far as I know report it to the DOT.. but they can share the information that he failed a hair follicle test for sure as it is the truth.

According to the rulebook

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Originally Posted by mpwelsh007 (Post 166721)

OK. here's the deal. i am having an argument with another guy

if you fail a pre-employment drug test, it will not go on you dac report because you are not employed by that company, hence pre-employment. he says that it will be on the dac report. i say it will not be on the dac report.

which is true?

If you fail, or even if you are unable to provide a specimen it goes on the dac report as a failure.

The DAC report contains your complete professional driver job history including accidents/incidents, MVR record, drug/alcohol test history, plus criminal history. Approximately 90% of all U.S. long haul commercial carriers use the DAC Report for pre-employment screening.

Sorry but if you can't pass a drug test you should drive for Uber.
Better yet work for McDonalds. A out of control bag of frys has not killed anyone yet.

Uber's drug policy "zero drug testing"

The company has been quoted as saying some foolish things too.
"If we drug tested we would lose half our drivers"

Do what ever you want but please stay away from the drivers seat until you can pass a drug test. Its best for everybody on the road.

No professional driver needs his career lost because of a fool using drugs. There are enough sober fools on the road who can't drive. Lets keep the stoned ones off the road and out of the trucks.

I have been drug tested for the last 8+ years.
Its not a test you need to study for.
Its simple to pass "JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS".

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Originally Posted by mpwelsh007 (Post 166721)

I failed a pre-employment drug screen at a well known oil company they did not report it to DAC.

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Originally Posted by mpwelsh007 (Post 166721)

From my own experience I will explain what I went through in regards to taking a pre-employment drug screen and failing it. I applied and went to a 3-day orientation for XYZ Trucking Co. and failed the drug screen This was a pre-employment drug screen. When I requested a copy of my DAC Report the actual failed drug test results were NOT DOCUMENTED on the actual DAC report itself. On the report it indicates to the company that administered the drug test, that if more information is needed in regards to test results, the company must fax for the info. So instead of documenting it on the actual DAC Report, it tells you to fax for the information. So either way they will find out whether there was a pass or fail.

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Originally Posted by Jackstone (Post 540134)

I failed a pre-employment drug screen at a well known oil company they did not report it to DAC.

I agree they won't. But they will indicate for the potential employer to fax for more info and that is where they get you. It won't be on the actual DAC. But when they fax for info it will be discovered in that information received.

Heres a question

The company recently took a pre employment dot test for never did any orientation with me at all because had worked for them previously. I just recieved the test and they told me it was positive which is crazy dont use nor do i drink how is that possible? Also, shortly after doing the test i ended up returning to the company i just left and i already had started work there in the meantime so what does that mean? What should i do now?

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Originally Posted by Jackstone (Post 540134)

I failed a pre-employment drug screen at a well known oil company they did not report it to DAC.

Are you still working? The same thing happened with me an i need some feedback

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Originally Posted by Carhaulin007 (Post 542567)

Are you still trucking? Did anyone come find You or something?

I have recently filled a pre-employment drug screen through Western Express, they said it would be on my DAC report they said I need to take a sap program what's my first step

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Originally Posted by DavidLMorris (Post 543714)

This is one of the types of tests for determining the presence of narcotic substances in the body. By the way, it is possible that this was a mistake and his result was simply confused with the result of some kind of drug addict. Recently, a similar story happened with my brother. He passed the exam and wanted to go to university, but first he had to pass the urine drug test. Two weeks later he was informed that he did not enter because there are traces of narcotic substances in his body. It was very strange because he never used drugs. As a result, he decided to take this test himself and bought accurate saliva drug test on testcountry.com. As a result, it turned out that his analyzes were mixed up with another student. After everything became clear, he went to university. So I advise you to double-check the result.

Nice advertisement.. but it's not relevant to the DOT tests which are split sample tests for that very reason. Bit the hair tests are simple a means to an end. They don't report them as failed drug tests, but they can use lots of excuses on why the driver was not hired. Or, none at all.