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Marmon man 03-31-2008 05:56 PM

Issues Concerning O/O's and why we should sit home 4/1/8
 
1. Fuel prices; fuel has skyrocketed in price at the pump, while Exon continues to record record profits of over 60 billion dollars a year. We need to see caps on how high the cost may go at the pump!!

2. Brokers; We are continually asked to haul loads where the brokers take a 20 to 30 % cut off the top. Why should we pay them so much for making a phone call or two? We would like to see Government controls on brokers and how they charge for loads!! Possibly a "Truth in Brokering" laws where we can look at confirmation sheets on our loads!!

3. DAC reports; This report, or should we say fallacy of a report, has and continues to hurt good drivers due to a bad report turned in, without any evidence to verify the fault.

4. Unloading and lumper's; Why should we have to take part of the pay (which has already been chopped by brokers) and pay a receiver to take their product from our trucks? Even worse, we have to sit at their dock while that freight is re stacked to fit in their warehouse! Our deliveries should be pulled from our truck, counted, and our bills signed so we can be on our way!

5. Truck Parking; we are faced with a situation where there are more and more trucks on the highways, and less and less places to park and get our rest. We need more rest areas, and local governments to all truck stops to enlarge their parking areas so we have room, safely, to rest!

6. Hours of Service; We need representation in the discussions on changing these rules, we are the ones out here week after week doing our jobs, we know what will work and what will not work! We do not need CRASH, MADD, the ATA, and the TEAMSTERS making these rules for us!!!!

7. Uniform laws state to state, with uniform fines also; We believe that the government needs to step in where individual states are gouging truckers on fines, charging outrageous fines for simple log violations and speeding offenses.

8. Uniform speed limits on Interstate Highways; we need to be able to run the same speed in the interstates as the smaller vehicles are allowed to run. Reports have been published, by the University of Michigan, and AAA, that state differing speeds between large and small vehicles is unsafe due to the increase of accidents that happen.

9. On the road repairs; Why is it that when we are away from home, it can cost as much as double and triple as much to get repairs done?

This is by far not the end of the list, but just a beginning. As we get resolution on 1 or 2 of these issues, we hope to continue on to other issues until we feel the industry is going in the direction WE THE TRUCKERS need to see it go in!!!!!

As you think of other issues, and hopefully possible solutions to them, share them in this forum, so we can get them up and address them in other forums.

Double R 03-31-2008 06:05 PM

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3. DAC reports; This report, or should we say fallacy of a report, has and continues to hurt good drivers due to a bad report turned in, without any evidence to verify the fault.
You can dispute what is on a DAC report and have it removed.

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5. Truck Parking; we are faced with a situation where there are more and more trucks on the highways, and less and less places to park and get our rest. We need more rest areas, and local governments to all truck stops to enlarge their parking areas so we have room, safely, to rest!
It's not up to the local Government to provide parking for trucks. Can't find a place to park, PAY FOR A MOTEL THEN!!!!!!!!!

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6. Hours of Service; We need representation in the discussions on changing these rules, we are the ones out here week after week doing our jobs, we know what will work and what will not work! We do not need CRASH, MADD, the ATA, and the TEAMSTERS making these rules for us!!!!
Just what we need, drivers driving tired. Without the regulations you would have drivers driving tired and compaines FORCEING drivers to drive tired!

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9. On the road repairs; Why is it that when we are away from home, it can cost as much as double and triple as much to get repairs done?
Cost of doing business for both parties. Maybe it costs them shops MORE for rent and to have parts shipped in then it does where you live. Ever think of that?

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This is by far not the end of the list
I can't wait :roll:

BigDiesel 03-31-2008 06:07 PM

Re: Issues Concerning O/O's and why we should sit home 4/1/8
 
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Originally Posted by Marmon man
1. Fuel prices; fuel has skyrocketed in price at the pump, while Exon continues to record record profits of over 60 billion dollars a year. We need to see caps on how high the cost may go at the pump!!

2. Brokers; We are continually asked to haul loads where the brokers take a 20 to 30 % cut off the top. Why should we pay them so much for making a phone call or two? We would like to see Government controls on brokers and how they charge for loads!! Possibly a "Truth in Brokering" laws where we can look at confirmation sheets on our loads!!

3. DAC reports; This report, or should we say fallacy of a report, has and continues to hurt good drivers due to a bad report turned in, without any evidence to verify the fault.

4. Unloading and lumper's; Why should we have to take part of the pay (which has already been chopped by brokers) and pay a receiver to take their product from our trucks? Even worse, we have to sit at their dock while that freight is re stacked to fit in their warehouse! Our deliveries should be pulled from our truck, counted, and our bills signed so we can be on our way!

5. Truck Parking; we are faced with a situation where there are more and more trucks on the highways, and less and less places to park and get our rest. We need more rest areas, and local governments to all truck stops to enlarge their parking areas so we have room, safely, to rest!

6. Hours of Service; We need representation in the discussions on changing these rules, we are the ones out here week after week doing our jobs, we know what will work and what will not work! We do not need CRASH, MADD, the ATA, and the TEAMSTERS making these rules for us!!!!

7. Uniform laws state to state, with uniform fines also; We believe that the government needs to step in where individual states are gouging truckers on fines, charging outrageous fines for simple log violations and speeding offenses.

8. Uniform speed limits on Interstate Highways; we need to be able to run the same speed in the interstates as the smaller vehicles are allowed to run. Reports have been published, by the University of Michigan, and AAA, that state differing speeds between large and small vehicles is unsafe due to the increase of accidents that happen.

9. On the road repairs; Why is it that when we are away from home, it can cost as much as double and triple as much to get repairs done?

This is by far not the end of the list, but just a beginning. As we get resolution on 1 or 2 of these issues, we hope to continue on to other issues until we feel the industry is going in the direction WE THE TRUCKERS need to see it go in!!!!!

As you think of other issues, and hopefully possible solutions to them, share them in this forum, so we can get them up and address them in other forums.

More :dung: from a welfare seeking wannabe...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

no_worries 03-31-2008 06:14 PM

I've been on strike for a week...rates are lower this week than last. Hope this starts working soon :roll: :lol:

Twilight Flyer 03-31-2008 06:22 PM

2 words:

EXHAUST LEAK

3 more words:

GET IT CHECKED

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You can't honestly think you're going to get anywhere with that?!? 90% of drivers out there disagree with you...how far do you think you'll get with the government?

solo379 03-31-2008 06:36 PM

There is a simple solution for all of the above. Nobody said, that you MUST do it! Find yourself another job, and be happy with it! :wink: 8)

Marmon man 03-31-2008 06:41 PM

I learned long ago that it does not pay to argue with people in forums....there will always be some numb nut-jerk off ready to tell you exactly the opposite of what you post....

Could give 2 shits less what the same batch of fuck ups have to say..just getting the word out.....

BigDiesel 03-31-2008 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmon man
I learned long ago that it does not pay to argue with people in forums....there will always be some numb nut-jerk off ready to tell you exactly the opposite of what you post....

Could give 2 shits less what the same batch of **** ups have to say..just getting the word out.....

Answer my question !!!

Can I have your truck since you are seeking welfare ???? :lol:

Twilight Flyer 03-31-2008 06:55 PM

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Could give 2 shits less what the same batch of **** ups have to say..just getting the word out.....
Good luck. We'll chat again next year over the same cup of cold coffee.

The problem is, you just don't get it. Every year, it's the same thing. 100 different ridiculous demands on paper and that's as far as it ever gets. A couple dozen drivers decide to take a vacation over the alleged "strike" week while all the rest are hollering on channel 19, complaining about all the alleged injustices while they rumble down the road at 80 mph or idle all night in a truck stop.

Want to make a difference?

1. Run compliant

2. Quit speeding

3. Reduce idling

4. Don't take cheap freight

The solutions are simple...problem is, no one wants to use common sense and realize the savings by doing the above. Instead, you're looking for government handouts and turning 90% of the population against you.

mike3fan 03-31-2008 06:58 PM

Re: Issues Concerning O/O's and why we should sit home 4/1/8
 
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Originally Posted by Marmon man
1. Fuel prices; fuel has skyrocketed in price at the pump, while Exon continues to record record profits of over 60 billion dollars a year. We need to see caps on how high the cost may go at the pump!!

So when they put caps on how much you can make,that will be ok by you?


2. Brokers; We are continually asked to haul loads where the brokers take a 20 to 30 % cut off the top. Why should we pay them so much for making a phone call or two? We would like to see Government controls on brokers and how they charge for loads!! Possibly a "Truth in Brokering" laws where we can look at confirmation sheets on our loads!!

Key word "asked" no where have I seen it written that you must take such loads.

3. DAC reports; This report, or should we say fallacy of a report, has and continues to hurt good drivers due to a bad report turned in, without any evidence to verify the fault.

As said,there are ways to dispute errors.

4. Unloading and lumper's; Why should we have to take part of the pay (which has already been chopped by brokers) and pay a receiver to take their product from our trucks? Even worse, we have to sit at their dock while that freight is re stacked to fit in their warehouse! Our deliveries should be pulled from our truck, counted, and our bills signed so we can be on our way!

not a requirement to be an O/O.

5. Truck Parking; we are faced with a situation where there are more and more trucks on the highways, and less and less places to park and get our rest. We need more rest areas, and local governments to all truck stops to enlarge their parking areas so we have room, safely, to rest!

Plenty of parking,if you are willing to stay away from major truck stop chains

6. Hours of Service; We need representation in the discussions on changing these rules, we are the ones out here week after week doing our jobs, we know what will work and what will not work! We do not need CRASH, MADD, the ATA, and the TEAMSTERS making these rules for us!!!!

No disagreement from me here,but careful what you wish for

7. Uniform laws state to state, with uniform fines also; We believe that the government needs to step in where individual states are gouging truckers on fines, charging outrageous fines for simple log violations and speeding offenses.

I'm for less government from all fronts

8. Uniform speed limits on Interstate Highways; we need to be able to run the same speed in the interstates as the smaller vehicles are allowed to run. Reports have been published, by the University of Michigan, and AAA, that state differing speeds between large and small vehicles is unsafe due to the increase of accidents that happen.

true statement

9. On the road repairs; Why is it that when we are away from home, it can cost as much as double and triple as much to get repairs done?

Ever here of estimates and negotiation?

This is by far not the end of the list, but just a beginning. As we get resolution on 1 or 2 of these issues, we hope to continue on to other issues until we feel the industry is going in the direction WE THE TRUCKERS need to see it go in!!!!!

Let us know if you get resolution on 1 of these,not likely

As you think of other issues, and hopefully possible solutions to them, share them in this forum, so we can get them up and address them in other forums.


scooter823 03-31-2008 07:18 PM

It is already starting in PA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIMmFouYeOQ

Rev.Vassago 03-31-2008 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter823
It is already starting in PA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIMmFouYeOQ

A bunch of fools wasting fuel. I'll wave when I pass through later today.

scooter823 03-31-2008 07:59 PM

nevermind :roll:

Rev.Vassago 03-31-2008 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter823
nevermind :roll:

I'm sorry. Was that not the response you were looking for? How about this one:

OMGZ TEH TRUCKERSS IS GOIN MAKE FUELZ CHEEP AGAIN!!!!!!!1111ELEVEN

Is that better?

scooter823 03-31-2008 08:40 PM

Like I said in the other post, I am sorry you can't partake in this event. We successful independents will be glad to take up your slack. :D

Twilight Flyer 03-31-2008 08:41 PM

PWND!

NOOBCAKES!

Or in the words of whatever his name is over on that other site....

"10-4! Copy that!"

....On every post!!

:roll:

It bears repeating. If you want a change:

1. Run compliant

2. Quit speeding

3. Reduce idling

4. Don't take cheap freight

scooter823 03-31-2008 08:48 PM

TWF, you are barking up the wrong tree,most independents I know if not all of them run compiant, don't speed, don't idle and don't haul cheap freight. We have been doing these things since fuel went up several years ago. Look what it got us. :shock:

Twilight Flyer 03-31-2008 09:23 PM

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TWF, you are barking up the wrong tree,most independents I know if not all of them run compiant, don't speed, don't idle and don't haul cheap freight.
Then you don't know very many independents. For every independent that runs compliant, doesn't idle, follows the speed limits and says no to cheap freight, there are 500 out there that do the exact opposite and then have the nads to whine about it.

I've followed the alleged truck strikes every year and they all turn out to be a joke. This year, the joke is bigger than ever.

I don't disagree that high fuel prices are a pain in the ass. But they should not be a pain in the ass to independents and companies who know how to run a successful business. Successful companies will adjust as needed; successful independents will adjust as well. The rest will whine pointlessly about it all the way to bankrupcy.

It's all about supply and demand. As long as you have idiot 4-wheelers driving their 6 mpg Hummers and SUV's down the road at 80 MPH and bad boy BBR's running their overpriced and overpowered rigs down the road at the same speed, prices will remain where they are. After these people have lost their mode of transportation and the rest of the thinking populace have restricted and/or changed their driving habits, demand will fall, supply will rise, and prices will go back down.

Economics 101.

What part of this is so hard for people to understand?

flood 03-31-2008 09:29 PM

well lets see i drive 65 when the speed limit is 65 and i pass a few company trucks but i get passed by o/o all nite long....? and if the o/o are not speeding then can you tell me why our 68 mph truck can't keep up with most o/o running on I-5 i know i've tried and yes we do go 57 in cal.

and if thay are so smart at making money then WHY are the driving the most fuel inefficient trucks on the road. just have to have that great big hood huh

scooter823 03-31-2008 09:40 PM

No wrong again, I know quite a few independents. And yes I have taken Economics 101 which is actually Ecn125 along with Ecn221 micro, 225 macro, 324,328,330,421 & 428 and I can assure you sir this is not about supply and demand. This is also not about being able to run a successful business, that is being done. This is about getting raped at the pumps. :roll:

scooter823 03-31-2008 09:42 PM

Flood, are you talking about true independents or so called O/O's. There is a big difference :roll:

Twilight Flyer 03-31-2008 09:49 PM

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I can assure you sir this is not about supply and demand.
You would be wrong.

scooter823 03-31-2008 10:04 PM

TWF, that is what is so great about our country, we are both entitled to our own opinion :D

Twilight Flyer 03-31-2008 10:12 PM

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TWF, that is what is so great about our country, we are both entitled to our own opinion
Yep, and what's even greater is that I'm right and you're wrong. :D

Sorry, couldn't resist that one. :D

scooter823 03-31-2008 10:13 PM

Please, Dream On :D

Rev.Vassago 03-31-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter823
This is about getting raped at the pumps. :roll:

Do you even know who is raping you at the pumps?

scooter823 03-31-2008 10:37 PM

LOL, go away!!!!!!

Fozzy 03-31-2008 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter823
TWF, that is what is so great about our country, we are both entitled to our own opinion :D

You talking about entitlements is rather funny considering you are the one demanding them... :roll:

Rev.Vassago 03-31-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter823
LOL, go away!!!!!!

Answer my question. :roll:

Doghouse 03-31-2008 10:53 PM

OK, can we get past the petty same old, same old and get to the bottom of this??
I'm about tired of the run around. A strike will not work,.....drive slower,...don't idle,..don't take cheap freight,..it's the same everytime this comes up.

Truth is that most OO's don't care untill pump shock hits their wallets. The big boys JB's,Swift's don't have enough trucks to cover the freight that needs to be hauled to keep this country running,...so who's fault is it??
It's the smaller companies and independants that are out there cutting the throats of each other with their stupid "Backhaul" rates. I have seen it here on this board,....drivers that think they can make a profit at $1.25 per mile,..drivers doing backhauls that barely cover the cost of fuel.
You can have all the strikes you want,...you can drive your truck's ,,,,air horn's a blowin' right up to DC,.....and when all the smoke settles,....the freight never stopped being hauled because the whole time there was always a truck to haul the freight,....even at $1.00 per mile.
So what do you do to make a change. I personally raised my bottom line to haul up to $2.50per mile. Currently I have a decent regular two time a week haul at $2.94per mile,...and I say decent,...I'm searching for even better paying freight.
I'm not going to stop tommorow,..why should I,..I already:
1.Drive slower (55mph)
2.Don't idle (at all)
3.Run compliant (legal)
4.Don't take cheap freight (none for less than $2.50per mile)
So do you think that shutting down for a day,...even a week will do anything? I don't,....there are way too many starving truckers out there who will gladly pick up the slack and take the good loads,...and if we shut down long enough,....even the $2.50 loads will be down to $1.00 because the bottom feeders are now trying to out do each other.
Problem is,....we are preaching to the choir,...we all know the problems,......the problem as I see it is that there are more drivers who don't know,..or don't care than those of us that do.


""DISCLAIMER"" Doghouse has only been an OO for 4 months and lacks the expierience to have a real opinion about the trucking industry.

scooter823 03-31-2008 11:16 PM

You want an answer Rev. Where do you want me to start, I guess I will start with the taxes that are put on each gal of fuel that is pumped. That is at the state level and federal level. George Bush and his cronies that are profiting from these ridiculous prices. Our government for allowing our fuel to be shipped overseas. etc. That in itself should be enough to piss anyone off I would think.

SoCal79 03-31-2008 11:27 PM

We have one guy in our yard that is going to "strike" I gladly picked up his job for him it actually pays pretty well. I even told the contracter that my rate went up to $90 (from $83) per hour due to fuel cost and he said no problem bud see ya in the morning!

Doghouse 03-31-2008 11:34 PM

Good deal for you SoCal,..but what if 4 of you guys were bidding on this freight,..and it went all the way down to $60.00 an hour,...at that point the shipper gets his freight hauled for way less and loves it when a "strike" happens.
This probably won't happen to you,..because you know all the guys in your outfit,...but I can say with relative certainty that the flatbed driver parked next to me would gladly take my $2.94per mile load for $1.50per mile because I am on a "strike" 4/1/08.
Thats why I won't do it,...if I punish my good paying shipper,...I am the fool.

no_worries 03-31-2008 11:38 PM

If you don't haul cheap freight and you're still in a bind, there's only one explanation...there's not enough good freight available. If that's the case, then why in the world would you stay in the business? Only a fool keeps on in a money-losing proposition.

BTW, well done DH. It took you 4 months to arrive at a place that many out here won't in an entire lifetime :lol:

scooter823 03-31-2008 11:46 PM

This is not about freight prices or if your a good businessman etc. It is the fact that you are pulling up to get fuel that costs right at or over $4.00/gal.
For the life of me I can not understand why anyone would be OK with this.

Doghouse 03-31-2008 11:47 PM

no worries,...LOL,..make no mistake,..I am doing this to make a profit,...I like my "rolling condo",...but not if I am not making a decent profit.
I mean truck stops are nice and all, and the highways in the USA are beautiful :roll: , but I have better things to do if I'm not getting ahead driving this truck.

flood 04-01-2008 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter823
Flood, are you talking about true independents or so called O/O's. There is a big difference :roll:

i beleave i said o/o but for your clarification, none company trucks pulling company trailers "like OLD schneider truck pulling a swift" and none company trucks pulling none company trailers like the a$$ that did a u-turn on I-84 in oregon and almost kill us. i got the company name off the door and found the phone number inline and when i call i got the driver....? btw he passed us three times in seven hours and we were doing 58 and had not stopped.

mike3fan 04-01-2008 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by flood
Quote:

Originally Posted by scooter823
Flood, are you talking about true independents or so called O/O's. There is a big difference :roll:

i beleave i said o/o but for your clarification, none company trucks pulling company trailers "like OLD schneider truck pulling a swift" and none company trucks pulling none company trailers like the a$$ that did a u-turn on I-84 in oregon and almost kill us. i got the company name off the door and found the phone number inline and when i call i got the driver....? btw he passed us three times in seven hours and we were doing 58 and had not stopped.

Does anyone reread their post before they submit them?

scooter823 04-01-2008 12:42 AM

Flood, unfortunately there are quite a few dumb***es out there. It only takes one to give us all a bad name.

Rev.Vassago 04-01-2008 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by scooter823
. George Bush and his cronies that are profiting from these ridiculous prices. Our government for allowing our fuel to be shipped overseas. etc. That in itself should be enough to piss anyone off I would think.

I wasn't aware that George Bush and his "cronies" set the price of oil. Here I thought it was OPEC that controlled the price of oil by controlling the supply.

Could you elaborate further on how George Bush sets the price of oil? Can you also elaborate as to how he was setting this price back in the late 1990's, when he was governor of Texas?


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