The Changing Industry
 

I was reading through a job searching post a little earlier from a driver with a pretty long list of "must have's" and it got me to thinking. The driver's first paragraph had me wondering why he didn't have a job. He seemed pretty solid, good history and experience, no driving issues. On paper, he looked golden and most companies should be moving quickly to snap him up. Then I got to his second paragraph with all the "must have's" and I realized why he was still looking. At first, I was simply going to roll my eyes and move on. Then I thought about PMing him with some constructive advice, before finally settling on something straight out to everyone because it seems to come up over and over again.

So here you go. What I am about to write is pretty even-keeled, non-emotional, and based on facts. Take it as you wish. It's long and while I am basically posting to the OTR crowd, it could just as easily apply to local guys.

That said...

First of all, I'm a recruiter. I get paid by salary, so I don't have a dog in the pay-by-hire race. I've been doing this here for nearly seven years and have seen my share of changes. I like this industry and I know this industry because I pay attention. But even before entering this industry, I've been involved in a management or human resources aspect of business since entering the work force back in the mid 80's, so I'm not talking out of my azz.

The bottom line is simple...if you are looking for a job, any job, you look for a job that will meet maybe 70% of your "requirements" and then deal with the remainder. There is no perfect company out there for anyone, period, not even a union gig. If the company is not for you, move on and find one that closer matches what you are looking for. If you cannot find one that does, then perhaps you are looking for or asking for too much and it would behoove you to re-evaluate your demands. But by all means, do NOT lay a list of those demands at the feet of a potential employer. Find out what they have and mentally calculate if it's what you want. If you phrase your wish list and must haves as demands, that's the quickest way to get shown the door with a polite or not-so-polite "you're not for us."

Now, what about your must have's? Let me tell you why your must have's will get you passed by.

"I'm looking for a long-haul job. I want to run coast-to-coast and none of that short haul crap."

Most companies are moving toward eliminating long haul runs and going more to the short to medium haul freight. That's where the money is. Technically, it's been where the money has been for a long time. It's just that in today's market with fuel being what it is, the profit margin for long hauls has completely vanished.

"I want a long-nosed Pete."

If you've been paying attention to fleet changes, you're seeing a lot of major companies going with the shorter nosed fuel-efficient tractors if they're not already there. Those smaller companies with long-nosed tractors are simply going out of business because they are failing to adapt.

"I want to be able to run the speed limit."

Most fleet trucks today are governed and that is at one set speed across the board, not for specific states and areas. And most of the major companies have already scaled back their trucks to 60 and 62. It's to the point now that 65 is a fast truck. Another 6 months and people won't know what an ungoverned truck is anymore. Get used to getting passed. And save the argument that it's not safe...that argument doesn't wash, period. It's proven safer and the cost savings is enormous. As long as a governed truck meets the minimum speed limit (usually 45) of the road, then the safety of the 4-wheeling public falls to Joe Motorist to slow down when coming up on a slower moving truck. Period.

"My truck must have an APU."

Granted, it would be nice for all trucks to eventually have APUs and perhaps someday we'll be there as an industry. But APU's are still a wild card. Several states have banned them and/or considering banning them. Most of the larger companies are taking a wait and see approach until they know what the eventual standard is going to be. By the same token, though, if a company doesn't have APU's on their truck, their idling policy needs to be along the lines of "use common sense."

"I need to take my dog Scooter with me."

Pet policies will soon be a thing of the past. Most companies are getting rid of pet policies due to the excessive idling that is needed to maintain a safe and comfortable environment for said 4-legger when you are not in the truck... ie. showering, eating, playing video poker, etc.

"I must be able to use an inverter. I can't afford to eat out all the time."

Inverters are another animal. A few companies still accept them, but that is a dwindling list. The fire hazard that inverters create have pushed a lot of companies to banning them outright. On top of that, there is a pretty big liability involved, too. If a company still allows them and has their shop install them, there is still that human element. If a shop-installed inverter malfunctions and burns the truck to the ground with the driver in it, they might as well hand over a blank check to the family of the dead driver.

As to the issue of not being able to afford to eat out all the time, go buy a 12V cooler. I know a lot of guys that go that route, pack it with the basics every week and then eat healthy and well the entire time they are out on the road. If you want an inverter for your microwave, George Foreman grill, coffee-maker, Belgian waffle maker, and espresso machine, go buy your own truck.

"I don't do the northeast."

New England freight is at a premium...New York freight even better in most cases. Some companies stay out of NYC as much as possible, but even the smaller companies recognize that there will sometimes be runs up there that pay a pretty penny. And as far as the northeast goes, if you don't want to do it, don't live anywhere near it and look for a regional run that will keep you out.

"I'm not interested in forced dispatch."

More and more companies are going to forced dispatch if they are not already there. Why? Because companies make money and earn bigger and better contracts by being on time with their deliveries. In a JITD dominated world, on-time delivery is a company's biggest and best bargaining chip. Personally, I think everyone should be a forced dispatch and it's probably not going to be that much longer before everyone is forced dispatch. Companies are going to want to know the driver that is WORKING for them, is going to cover their freight. As a driver, you're there to do a job, period.

"I do not go to Canada. It's too much of a hassle."

You would be right in that Canada is a major hassle and a lot of companies have stopped hauling Canadian freight because of that. That said, though, a few companies still do and if you hire on to one of those companies, you'll be expected to haul where they tell you to.

"I'm a driver, not a lumper."

Once more, if lumping the occassional load is part of the job description, then expect to do the job when asked. The only people that consistently lump freight are a lot of the LTLers and local day-cabbers. Most of the regional and OTR gigs will have the occassional fingerprint load, but not a lot.

"I don't run at night, period."

Then you should not be driving a truck. In the first place, driving at night is preferrable to driving during the day. There's less traffic and fewer idiots on the road. It's generally less stressful. Still, some people cannot drive at night...I'm one of those. Doesn't matter how much sleep I have, right around midnight, I'm going to be out. Still, if you can't drive at night, it might be time to hang it up as a truck driver. Companies have night driving. It's part of the nature of the beast. Ask around, but good luck finding a company that does zero night driving.

"I have to have my wife, spouse, 3 children, and/or great grandmother with me at all times."

I'm not against rider policies, but when you are driving for a company, you're there to do your job. Most companies have rider policies that kick in after a certain amount of time; few have policies that are immediate. But don't expect to pack up your family for an extended vacation. When you're driving your truck, you're not on vacation. You're working.

"I homeschool my child on the truck and won't work for anyone that won't allow me to."

Contact child protective services and tell them that. At the risk of opening up yet another huge debate on the subject, the truck is not a home. It is not a suitable environment to raise a child. Sure, it's great to take your child out for short periods of time, but the operative word there should be "short". If you have no one to watch your child, then it's time to get off the road for while.
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Those are a few of the must-have's and reasons why they will get you nowhere. I'm certain there are more but it should be real clear that when looking for a job, don't make demands of a potential employer. You don't own the company...someone else does. A company is not going to change their policies because of your demands. Instead, they'll chuckle at you and forget about you. So do your homework when searching for a job. Understand that there is no perfect company out there and that you are going to have to make concessions, no matter where you go.

There have been some of the most significant changes ever in the industry over even the last year. In the very recent past, it was a driver's market. Driver's could pick and choose any one of hundreds of different companies and if they got pissed off about something, all they had to do was pick up the phone and move to the next one.

It's not like that anymore. You can't keep up with the number of companies going out of business today. For every major company like Jevic or JDC or WH Transportation or Rush that simply abruptly locks the doors, there are thousands of the smaller outfits that are also folding, but don't make the news. Fuel is not going to go down by any signficant amount to save companies that are on the edge. Companies that are still in business and hiring are doing so by going through operational changes in order to survive what is bar-none the most difficult time ever in the industry. And they also have the luxury of picking through thousands of qualified drivers to fill a precious few slots. Those drivers that are going to get hired are going to be those drivers that are going to do the job they were hired to do.

I am not, nor have I ever, advocated for a driver to be a doormat for a company. But you are also an employee of said company and as an employee, you are expected to do the job you were hired to do, even if you don't like it at times. If that means you have to help lump a load, then you lump it. If that means you have to run a load at night, then you run it...providing, of course, you can do so legally.

It's a fine line you will skate as a driver today and we definitely don't live in a perfect world. Unfortunately, some companies or dispatchers might look at it as an opportunity to take advantage of a driver because they know the driver's choices are limited. But by and large, those will be the exception to the rule. Understand the flip side to that, though. The company hired you to do a job. If it doesn't violate rules or laws, then do the job they hired you to do. If you don't like it, there's always buying your own truck.

Very good post, TF.

I think what many drivers forget (or ignore), is that like it or not, in today's market, the trucking company holds all the cards. There are far more drivers than there are trucks; especially with the number of trucking companies that have gone out of business recently. Ridiculous demands of your employer will likely result in you being shown the door, because there are several other, possibly more qualified drivers who would be happy to fill your shoes without the demands. I'm sure that as a recruiter, you see this more than anyone. I'm sure that you've seen the requirements of the trucking companies have gotten tighter and tighter, since there are far more drivers for them to pick from.

I have always been of the mindset that the "driver shortage" of the early 21st century was a fabrication, and it is even more apparent today. There is no driver shortage, and working with the company who employs you will help keep you off the unemployment line.

To be honest, with trucking being what it is today, turnover should be down significantly. When drivers who constantly quit one company because their "demands" weren't met suddenly find themselves unable to find a company who will hire them, the only one they will have to blame is themselves. Find a company that meets the majority of your requirements in an employer, and stick with them.

Good post TF. I am hopeful that this slowdown will help us to get rid of some of the bad drivers we have been plagued for so many years. I am glad to hear that some of the larger carriers are becoming more selective in their hiring process. The only way to raise the standards is to hire better people. Making demands of a potential employer has never worked. Employers see someone coming into their organization who starts out making demands as someone they can do without. I am also glad to hear about the pet policies changing. I have never felt that having a pet in a truck was a good idea.

I think we are just seeing the beginning of major changes in this industry. I expect to hear of many more carriers who will close the doors. Those who have a good job should do what they can to keep it. While there may still be plenty of driving jobs available, I see more competition ahead as more carriers close their doors.

I have always enjoyed the " Demand/ I want " posts..... There is a simple way to meet all of those " demands ".....

Do what I and others have done.... invest thousands into equipment, work your azz off to land and retain shippers... Then you can have it your way...

What about potential newbies?
 

Given this situation with shuttered trucking companies putting a large number of drivers in the market for new jobs, how does that affect the prospects of people like me who are thinking about becoming truck drivers?

Personally, I'm 49 years old with clean driving record, no criminal past, no drug habit and no immediate family.

Would I still be hireable after five weeks of training at a community college?

I can imagine it being pretty easy for newbies at the large companies that seem to swallow up trainees and thrive on turnover.

However the other companies that hire with experience only will be very much able to pick and choose. Maybe we will be able to get rid of the unsafe drivers that companies were putting up with.

With this change in the industry however have come countless O/O's getting out of the industry. And while I don't condone the circumstances that cost honest, hard working people their livelihood I suspect it has/will do the same with them. Those who spend all their extra money buying chrome and chasing lizards may soon find themselves in the poor house.

Re: What about potential newbies?
 

There are so many variables in that question that it is almost impossible to answer. One thing you can do, however, is look at companies before you ever go to school, and give them a call and ask!. One all too common mistake is that the new (or prospective) driver waits until after he or she has gone to school to start asking questions, or waits until after they have orientation at a company scheduled before they even start researching their future employer. That is far too late. The more you know, the better, and the sooner you know it, the better.

That's exactly it, right there. If you want it your way, go out an make it happen. I sit in an office all day, but I'd like a 3-day work week, summers off and paid, a personal secretary/massuese, and a 2-hour lunch. Odds are that if I took those demands to my boss, I'd get laughed out of the building. But that's not anything different than a driver's "must have" list.

Sure, I like my job for the most part, but like anyone, there are aspects of it that I don't like. But I recognize that it's still the job I was hired for and my company pays me for it and if I want to keep my job, then I need to do what they ask me to do. It's no different than with a company driver.

I don't see the prospects for new drivers being dimmed that much. The industry is certainly changing, but won't be going away. There will always be a need for new blood in the industry to replace those that are leaving the industry for whatever reason.

The one thing I do see changing, though, is a better focus on safety for some of these training companies. The day of the 1-year Swift driver making through his 12 months with 4 or 5 minor incidents, is gone. The safety focus is going to be greater and will hopefully weed out some of these drivers that have in the past, made it through the system.

Exactly. In the recent past, a driver could do a little job-hopping and not do much damage to his ability to get a job. But those days are over. Drivers that have been bouncing around from company-to-company, looking for more "must have's" are going to find themselves on the outside of the industry, looking in.

In the end, industries change and companies will be forced to change and adapt to remain in said industry. Right now, it's the trucking industry. Companies will change and because of that, drivers will have to adapt to those changes or leave.

It's really that simple.

This is excellent advice, and it applies to all industries/trades, not just trucking.

I think the larger issue is that we live in an "entitlement" society nowadays. It's all gimme, gimme, gimme, while I do nothing for it. The media and the government have given people, mostly the mush-minded, the impression that they are entitled to anything, and can have the world and everything in it with little or no effort on their part. Most people are quick to assert their "rights", when they have no idea what their "rights" really are. Couple that with a cavalier attitude and in most cases no experience and you're basically dealing with a bunch of recalcitrant children in adult bodies.

When someone hires me I tow their line, not mine.

Ignorance, carelessness and inexperience are personally costly.

No question there will be changes in this business. While it would be purely speculative to predict when it will happen, PPM/CPM is on it's way out. Instead, you can expect to see a day rate which takes into consideration all Driver responsibilities beyond the driving. It will restore the incentive (necessity) to use the truck and Driver more efficiently, eliminate downtime and eliminate the productivity penalty Drivers experience for circumstances beyond their control. Between lower MPH and the inevitable onset of more resrtictive idling rules, it's going to make more sense to pay Drivers NOT to sleep or even be in the truck when it's not moving. That could mean a lot more trucks parked in hotel lots or a lot more hotel like accomodations at truck stops.

It's entirely conceivable that it will require forced dispatch and a lot more freight fingerprinting, when appropriate, but that just makes sense. What good does it do anyone to have the driver sitting . . and waiting . . while someone else loads/unloads.

Drivers can expect to earn more, attrition will decline, safety will improve and it will go a long way toward eliminating the artificial "subsidized" rates shippers have been demanding and eliminate a lot of the so called "cheap freight".

The only thing I take issue with in the OP is the night driving thing. There is new and better information regarding night driving all the time. The bottom line is that most people aren't programmed and cannot program themselves to rearrange their sleep. I know . . plenty of drivers love it and prefer it but I doubt that many liability sensative companies are going to impose or expect more of it.

I would have thrown his demands in the garbage, after reading the first paragraph.
Anyone using the word crap in a job application is not hireable.

Then again, this industry does attract the lowest of the low sometimes.

Wonder why? :roll:

That's just it: The "lowest of the low" just aren't cutting it anymore. It would appear as if the industry is weeding itself out. Personally, I wish it would hurry up already.

Thanks for the well thought out and insightful post bigtimba. Some may not like hearing this, but, CFM had been prophetizing most of these same points for quite some time. Albeit, to mostly deaf ears. Until now.

Try telling all of the above to the coolie carrier management types and see how fast that they start to squeal that all problems are the fault of the driver. This has become the standard response. 'Drivers will have to adapt.' Again and again and again.

I think the opposite. The driver will be there tomorrow, in one form or another. Whether X, Y or Z company will be with us is the operative question. The air of desperation is becoming stifling.

Excellent post!

One of the big secrets in selling is saying NOTHING about what you want and EVERYTHING about what your customer wants. As a potential driver you are selling yourself to your employer. Your potential employer is your customer. You need to know your customer so find out everything you can about them and you can speak to the recruiter their terms. Tell them " I know you want a hardworking hassle free employee with a good record, and that is me." That example might be a bit too blunt but you get my point.

Getting a job isn't about what you want, it is about what your employer wants. If my FleetManager says "GO" then I GO, simple as that. If you hassle and needle the recruiter aren't you going to do the same with your FM? Your attitude to the recruiter will factor into your getting hired.

Good subject TF.

I wish that the crybabies that are in this industry would just hurry up and leave. We are supposed to be adults out here and I can't even listen to the c.b.without laughing or wanting to puke. "Your company sucks" No, "Your company sucks" You wanna fight? What a bunch of children. As Rev. said do your research before you are supposed to be at orientation,not after. I am leaving for orientation tomorrow can somebody tell me the ups and downs of XYZ Company? Great topic anyway TF

I am amazed at how many drivers lay out their list of demands. Some seem to want top pay, a new shiny truck with lots of chrome, triple digit speeds, etc., They want to know what the company is going to do for them. My question is what are YOU going to do for the company? Perks should be EARNED. There are some drivers who will trash their truck, steal and slack off and still expect top pay. When drivers cost their company money there is less that can be spent on perks such as new trucks, higher pay and better benefits. They will receive more by giving more. Some can't quite seem to grasp that concept.

Well put, GMan. Trucking is a job, just like any other job. Sure, it has a different set of skills than sitting at a desk all day, but it's still a job and you're working for a company doing the job they hired you to do. And perks are earned, just like any other job.

Every day cannot be a day of wine and roses, even in the best of jobs, and work is just that...work, whether you're driving the truck or dispatching the truck.

Yet with all that has been said, I can still understand drivers wanting this and that and everything else. Hell, you're doing a job that keeps you away from home for weeks at a time. So you're bound to want some of the comforts of home and I don't begrudge anyone that. But you have to be reasonable, too. When you start building that list of demands and must-haves and it far outstrips a company's offering, then it's time to look into buying your own truck. You simply cannot have an expansive and expensive list of must-haves and be a company driver at the same time. The two just aren't compatible.

Regarding the comments made earlier on night-driving, I can understand where they are coming from. Like I said, I have a hard enough time driving at night, too. For the most part, bodies are hard-wired that way. Unfortunately, we live in a JITD era and a lot of customers want their stuff there at night so they can be ready to roll in production or retail first thing in the morning. That's just part of the nature of the beast. And I guarantee if that if the industry moves away from the CPM mindset, night driving will take an even more prominent place in the job-set.

These posts are MUST READ for newbies like myself who are looking to get into the industry. Thanks for the eye opening topic.

I drove feeder for UPS 1977-1986. Most of that was night driving. I'm a day person but having to work at night was a small sacrifice to land a job like that. :wink: I bid different runs over the years and found that I slept WAY better if my run ended before daylight.

The company I'm with now has great dispatchers at my home terminal. In 1 yr. & 3 mo I've only had to drive all night twice (in a row) but it was necessary. After unloading I called my dispatcher & explained that my body clock wasn't cooperating after 2 consecutive nights and I didn't feel safe. Asked to stay over at the Pilot in Lexington, KY the rest of the day & all night to get back on a day schedule. He said no problem. :D

Night driving really has some advantages though, if you like it.

On the topic of demands...
 

TF,
I read, then re-read, your sobering, honest post. It had the ring of truth to it. I'm in the rather unenviable position of having to, once again, find employment--after slamming into a "personal limit" wall. I've moved to Nebraska (personal reasons), and am presently looking there.
There were comments posted about how, in any business, an employee is to "sell" him/herself as an asset to the company. I understand and agree with that. It's common sense. I didn't go in with a list of "demands", because I was genuinely grateful for being given a start in the industry.
What I've learned, however, is that there are some real concerns that new drivers need to address with prospective companies before they hire on. It IS a nightmare to be slammed into day/night driving because no one in the office realizes that the human body wasn't built for round-the-clock operation. I'm sure someone will call me a "crybaby", but that's not it at all. Not everyone gets used to the opti-idle.
I'm looking at a local job, where I'm home on the weekend, but that's not even the draw. It's that I would have a SCHEDULE. One that a body could become accustomed to.
This first year has been tough. I feel for the new drivers who are entering at this time. You've given them good counsel, and those with a true desire to make this a career will listen...I hope. I'll be keeping this thread in mind as I go to "market my skills" to my new company!
Jewels

P.S., I would, at this time, like to make a demand for that masseuse, if you ever get a competitive price for one!

Good luck with whatever you decide to do, JewelsnTools. This industry offers opportunities, but is very demanding. Those who succeed will put forth the extra effort. Those who fail will do so of their own volition. We are constantly seeking quality drivers. There are many drivers today, but few "professionals." If you go into this with a positive attitude and demonstrate your capabilities you will be rewarded. You won't need to make demands. Most companies will work with employees to meet their needs. Notice I didn't say "demands?" If you have problems with a dispatcher or driver manager try to talk it out with them first. If that doesn't work, then you can always go up the ladder until you find someone who can help. You can also request a new dispatcher or driver manager with many companies. Sometimes people simply have personality clashes. Most problems can be worked out with good, honest communication. That is true with most industries or jobs.

Your on the mark once again Twilight Flyer. I have a about seven months experience over the last three years among four different companies. I left each, with the exeption of one company that I won't mention here, due to family issues with teenagers at home. Got out of the truck at the end of last September and no one wants to look at my applications either because of the job hopping or lack of "recent" experience. I have had too many jobs in too little time. Doesn't seem to matter that I have a spotless driving record. I made my own bed, now I have to lay in it. The industry is changing.

I had an interesting conversation with an unemployed driver yesterday. The man was 61 years old and told me that he had many years of driving experience and with a wide variety of equipment which included over-sized and overdimensional loads. OK. Fair enough. So far, so good. This guy called due to a listing I had with the state unemployment office.

We now get into more detail about the position. He asks where we run. I tell him that we go where we can get the best rates. He states that he saw on the job posting that we run 48 states but he wanted to find out for sure. I told him that we don't do the left coast much due to the lower rates, but would if the price was right. He told me that he didn't want to go to California. He asked if we ran the Northeast. I told him that we did as long as we could get the better rates. He said that he didn't like running the Northeast. I told him that we are currently running the Northeast, Midwest and Southeast. He asked if we ran Chicago. I tell him that we do. He said that he has a difficult time getting around Chicago and that he didn't like running there. He also said that he prefers to not go any further west than Oklahoma. I tell him that we are probably not a good match for him and that he might be better off with a larger carrier who had more regional freight. He thanks me and we hang up.

There were a few more details in the conversation, but this is the gist of it. The guy hasn't been able to find a job for at least 2 weeks, yet he had a list of places where he didn't or would not want to go. This guy will probably find it difficult to find a good job no matter where he goes. I had a guy who worked for me once who decided after being with me for several months that he only wanted to run between 2 states. He didn't like cold or snow. His income dropped about $300/week and he wound up quiting because he wasn't making enough money. He went from earning about $1,000+/week to about $700. His income dropped because he was unwilling to do what was necessary to earn more money. He wanted to run from Texas to Louisiana shortly after Katrina.

There are certain areas of the country where I prefer running. I don't always get to run those areas because of the availibility of good paying freight, so I run where I can make the most money and there is a reasonable availability of freight. This is a business. Some simply don't seem to understand this fact. Those who are thinking about coming into this business should understand that we sometimes need to go to places where we would prefer not going. We do this because that is where we can make the most money for our business. After all, this is a business. We do what we must to turn a profit. Business, like life is about compromises. We make compromises to accomplish our goals.

Man, did THAT nail it! :) Nicely stated, G-Man.

Twilight, I know you are a recruiter, but I'm not sure about GMan. I am not placing requirements on any company. I'm too far out for that. Sure, there is a lot of things I don't want to do, but I am not in a position to make those requests. I compromised for my family, and I knew the consequences. The down turned industry and rising fuel make the cost of training a new employee too expensive for companies to take that chance on someone with a history of job hopping. Why spend several thousand dollars on someone who has a history of only staying a few months at a company? That's only good business sense and I'm surprised the industry has taken that long to put it in practice. Trucking companies may have had the cash to do that in the past, but obviously, not now. Sometimes it feels like I'm digging a twenty foot hole in solid rock, then having to chisel a set of steps in the side of the hole to work my way out.

Thanks, Twilight Flyer. 8)


Jimbo56, I am not a recruiter. I have my own trucking company so I suppose that I do recruiting, but I also do other things. Frankly, I am not doing much recruiting right now. Right now I am doing more driving.

I am a little more rigid in what I look for than many of the larger carriers. Part of that is due to my insurance company. They have very specific minimum requirements that they will accept. I have not had them disqualify a driver for having too many jobs, but I will. I don't hire anyone who has had more than 3 jobs within the last 2 years. I understand that things can happen, but I look for some stability when I hire drivers. At this point, I am not actively looking for drivers, but would hire someone if they came along with the right requirements. One of the most important factors I look for is honesty. I can't tell you how many drivers I have spoken with who have either lied on their application or to me over the telephone. I believe that they think that a small carrier will not check them out. Well, this one does! Most people are willing to over look some things if the applicant is honest and forthright. I have had as many as 91 people working for me. I really don't want to have that many any more.

You have your work cut out for you with the job hopping. I know it isn't what you want to hear, but I am glad some of the larger carriers are raising the bar on new applicants. It is very expensive to recruit and hire new drivers. It is much less expensive to retain current drivers. I don't think most applicants have any idea of how expensive it can be for the carrier. I have to pull an MVR on any new applicant. If the MVR looks good then we go to the application. I can't speak for other carriers, but if I see too many jobs then I don't consider that driver. Having a high turnover can negatively impact my insurance rates. If you really want to get back into this business then you need to keep knocking on doors. If you knock on enough of them someone will give you another chance. I don't recall your mentioning what you currently do for a living, but showing some job stability in another field could have a positive impact when you start applying for driving jobs. For instance, if you have been with your current employer for a couple of years or longer, it would show more stability.

Nice job Batboy!

Thanks for the honest and frank analysis Gman. You have a way with words. Essentially, you are telling me to look elsewhere and my past employment history is one of the problems with this industry. I certainly hope not and I'm not ready to give up just yet. Not only that, you were polite and never used a single four letter word, although many reading this post could have responded quite differently. In my defense, I would like to explain a few things. My problems with the trucking industry were not caused by my dispatcher, company, my ability to maneuver in tight spaces nor back into a tight dock. I never abandoned a vehicle or did anything that wasn't requested of me. My issues were caused by growing teenagers that had failed to mature at the rate that either myself and society had established. One is now doing quite well in the US Army and the other has gainful employment in Florida. My issues are resolved and now it is a matter of getting back on the horse, which is proving quite difficult.

I actually think that "compromise" is not the right word. Compromising infers that both sides will give and take. I disagree with that. The industry, as a whole, doesn't really do that. Sure, it changes, but that change has nothing to do with it compromising.

I think "adapt" fits better. Business is about adapting. The faster you can do it, and the sooner you can predict that you will need to, the better off you will likely be. Those who are whining the loudest about strikes and rates and fuel costs are the ones who failed to adapt to the changing environment.

Your also right Rev. But I guess I'm stealing the thread here so, with everyone's permission, I shall now bow out gracefully, covering my tracks as I go.

I see no need to call people names or put them down, Jimbo56. Most come on here seeking honest answers to their questions. I don't think we need to put them down.

I am glad that your children have found their way. That is something that needs to be explained to any potential employer. Some may cut you some slack, others may not. One major problem you have is that you don't have any current experience. Insurance companies look for current otr experience. My insurance company requires a minimum of 2 years of current experience before they will cover them. Some of the large carriers can get around this because some self insure up to a certain point so the exposure to the insurance company is more limited. Another way large carriers get around this is because of the number of trucks and drivers they have in their system.

If you can't get into this industry due to the job hopping, then I suggest that you find something else you can do for a while and stick with it. By staying with an employer for a year or two you are showing that you are attempting to change your behavior. Current positive behavior can overcome some negative behavior that is several years old.

I would never tell anyone to abandon their dreams. The path that leads to success doesn't always run in a straight line. Sometimes we need to take a detour to get to where we need or want to go. The challenges and adversities we face in our lives make us strong and enable us to grow.

Business adapts to changing market conditions. We compromise when we deal with people. Companies who are rigid with employees will tend to not do as well as those who compromise along the way when necessary. Any business needs certain guidelines when dealing with employees. A good business will make compromises when it is in the best interest of the business and the employee. A successful company will continue to adapt to changes in the business environment.

I seem to be running across a situation I've read other experienced drivers talking about. I've been out of big trucks for 10 years but kept my CDL as a "safety net". Well, I need that net or I'm going to be out of house & home. But I cannot get a response to my applications, and I post a CDL resume and other documents to boot.

I even had one local company in Lynchburg put me through a full medical, drug screen, give me the new medical certificate, then gave me a road test. I asked if I could get "familiarized" with a big truck again and the response was, "it doesn't matter if you were in a truck two days ago or ten years ago, you should be able to drive. So I did, hooked up a 53'er and down the road I went with the reviewer. It was a Volvo and I was grinding gears like a bad dog, so I asked if it was okay to float the gears, and he said the company trucks weren't set up so you could float the gears. Yeah, and I had to stop in an intersection and start up again,.. but get this, he took me to a dock and I backed the trailer between two other 53'ers on the 1st attempt without having to pull up or anything. I made all the turns correctly as well,.. but safety failed me on the test.

So when you talk about a changing industry I'm wondering where it is I have to go to find work, and since I'm a Geezer (I'm past the 60mm) I'm wondering if that's an issue as well. It is true I would prefer not to lump (a lot) of loads, and I applied with Maverick but to be honest I was concerned about tarping, but they haven't contacted me back,. so is that an age thing? Anyway folks, just venting but guidance would be great also! And oh yeah, my avatar is a 10 million dollar truck I was driving, its not like I don't (didn't) know what I was doing!

G-Man or Twilight Flyer,

PM me please and I will be happy to send you my information and ask questions. I said in a recnt post I have "concerns" but that doesn't mean I won't work,.. the $$$ needs to reverse direction if you know what I mean! Thanks

ps ooops, just read a more recent post G-man,.. understand... (that's whatI get for reading posts bassackwards :wink: )

Royedw: I am afraid that you will probably need to go back to school. Perhaps a refresher course will suffice. It seems that in this industry if you do not have one year of experience in the last three years they won't hire you.

Yeah, I had thought about that also, a school near here said I could do a one day course for $500 and they would give me a "certificate", but I'm wondering if that is or would be enough... ??

My guess is the problem you may be having is the length of time since you have been out of a truck. Most insurance companies are a bit picky about recent experience. Mine requires a minimum of 2 years experience out of the last 3 years. Insurance companies rarely call your previous employers but will check your MVR to see how long you have had a CDL. You may need to take a refresher course or go with a trainer for a couple of weeks. Another alternative is that you may find a smaller carrier who can get you past their insurance company.

There are certainly more vans out here than flats, but flats will usually pay more. Tarping can be somewhat physically taxing. However, if you are in good physical shape you could probably handle that aspect. I would say that the most important thing you need to do at this point is get a year or two of current experience. It may take a little practice to shift without grinding the gears. Just keep an eye on the rpm's and you should get used to shifting again.

If it were me I would have asked the guy whom you went with why you didn't get the job, especially after having the physical and road test.

Okay, so I called Schneider recruiting and was told they aren't training any new drivers especially Charlotte so that option is out. They also said since I had been out so long I would need to do a "refresher" course, and she said longer than the one day deal I was told about which wouldn't cut it.

My options are now a company who will bring me on board and ride with a trainer (???), or one who will train me (again) which means an obligation again (???).

Any ideas on where to go would be appreciated,.. I'm in Lynchburg and going to drive down US-29 S and talk with the small companies I see there...

I am not familiar with the carriers around Lynchburg, but I suggest getting on the phone and start contacting carriers. There are several who train drivers. You may also check the company listings on this forum. Quite a few of the larger carriers are listed along with their requirements.