Question on Shower Etiquette
While I have some time, I have a question, this may sound silly, but I am serious.
I've noticed in a few shower stalls at some truck stops, a little card that says something like: "This shower was cleaned for you by__________, if you have any concerns please see me." This seems to add a personal touch to your shower, my question is, are we expected to tip the shower attendant? Do any of you tip the shower attendant? I have never left a tip in the shower. (and some sure wouldn't deserve it, when simple things like an unflushed toilet are left) |
I have actually seen a couple leave a note requesting tips. While I appreciate the job these people do, I have yet to see any of them do a job which would require a tip. After all, we are talking about a truck stop not a four star hotel.
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At other times I have seem some that you could tell the attendant went above standards to do a good job. In the first case she/he got nothing. In the second case I left a tip. I feel there is no difference with these workers than a waitress. Good service gets a tip. Bad service don't. kc0iv |
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. . very rarely. The TA in Troutdale a couple of times, the TA way down south on I-15 in Utah, to name a few. In both cases, the attendants were friendly and of foreign persuasion and the showers were immaculate. There have been a few others, especially if the card is out AND they leave candy . .
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Most "chain" truckstops don't practice this. Bosselman's (Pilots) do, and Jubitz in Portland, and the Boise Stage Stop. I'm sure there are others. I've found that those who do have REALLY nice showers! Very clean and spacious! To ME, this is important. And have you ever seen people cleaning showers all day long? Must be a nasty job.
Like waitresses, I'm sure they are paid minimim wage OR LESS. As truckers, we are making way more money than them. What's a couple of dollars to YOU? To THEM, it could make the difference between hamburger dinner for the family and an occaisional roast or steak. As a trucker, how would your life be WITHOUT those who clean your showers? If you don't get a free one with fuel, it costs you NINE dollars. If you get a free one - on your company - for buying fuel there, can you NOT spare a dollar or two for those less fortunate? Tipping is an accepted practice in MOST civilized countries. ONLY in America do the citizens expect service without gratuity. We are snobs! A Coke costs almost $2 in a T/S. I save money by bringing my OWN at about 50 cents a piece. I can spend more than 2 bucks on a beer, and drink it in 30 minutes. I am MORE than willing to share a few bucks with the "lower class." But, then.... I'm a Democrat! That's what we do! If you're offended by the request, ignore it (and your conscience.) I never eat the candy. I flush my toilet, and pick up my towels. The rest is up to them. But... when I consider THEIR lot in life, compared to my own, I cannot be stingy. If they've got the hutzpah to ask for a tip.... I leave one. EVERY time! And I feel better about myself for having done so! Hobo |
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I've tipped shower attendants for good service, and I agree with Golfhobo here.
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[quote: Golf"] To THEM, it could make the difference between hamburger dinner for the family and an occaisional roast or steak. [/quote] Reverand(?) V: Again, if they don't like the wage they are receiving, then it is up to them to do something about it. Sadly, a lot of people, and a lot of companies have the very same attitude about professional drivers!! Oh, but that's different, right? :wink: |
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As a Republican I prefer to keep my money away from the Government so that I have the ability to donate to worthy causes and needy people. I don't like working hard and paying taxes so that there can be 10,000 government bureaucrats making $90,000 per year between me and the people that need my help. If people need something I am glad to help, but I strongly dislike to line the pockets of government "administrators" who don't contribute to society. I agree with Rev V. about tipping: People who do a job better than required or go above and beyond the call of duty are rewarded with an appropriate tip. I tip generously, generally $5 for good service for a meal. $3 to $4 if they never checked if I needed anything. $1.75 in change if they never refilled my drinks, and I leave the change under the empty glass so that they know why their tip was low. By the way I eat cheaply so $5 is usually 30% to 50% of the bill. |
Rev: I suspect you are only toying with me.... but I'll play along, as long as you don't take it personally. :lol:
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Now... don't go getting MAD at me, Rev! I'm only "playing" with you here. Unless.... of course... you are serious! :lol: :lol: Hobo |
i think everyone should tip at dinners. I dont know about showers (dont drive OTR) But me and my girlfriend go to ruby tuesday atlest 2 times a week i love the place. The bill is allways 22-25 dollers. I will leave a tip of 5-7 bucks depending if they where good or not. But i will allways leave something. Am just happy to see people working and not sitting on there ass on fake workmens comp cliams or wellfare. Buy the way i am a Republican.
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Rawlco: So nice to see you again! Too bad I had to say something "political" to get you to re-engage! :lol:
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Thanks for all the responses. I have always known that Waiters/Waitresses are paid a sub-minimum wage with an expected tip considered part of their wage. I've had a few waitresses tell me that their W2 tax forms actually include an assumed tip for each receipt that they ring up and if you "stiff them" they actual pay on money they didn't get. In light of that, it takes REALLY bad service for me to not leave at least a buck. Most of the time I leave 20-25%. I also take into consideration how busy the place is and how much time they CAN allot to me.
Being new to driving, the shower thing was something I was not familiar with, so I wasn't sure what was expected. Knowing that MOST of my showers are free, after my company picks up the fuel tab, I guess a buck or 2 might not be a bad idea to leave, based on the condition I find the shower in. Quote:
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Arrogant? Absolutely. I worked hard to get where I am, and expect others to do the same. Eat the candy? No freakin way - I'm not putting anything near my mouth that someone cleaning bathrooms for a living put there for me. Quote:
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A cabbie would drop you at the end of the block if you paid him "meter" (which they didn't even use.) Give him a couple dollars TIP, and he'd wake you up in the morning and take you to work! I never ONCE, in 2 years, had ANYONE refuse a tip. But... hey! Don't listen to ME! The ENTIRE 3rd World operates on "gratuities" or "kickbacks." And they'll bend over backwards if it comes in American Dollars! Have you ever been to Mexico on vacation?? :shock: |
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:shock: :shock: :shock: Yup. We conservatives think people should actually WORK for their money. :wink: Not YOU of course!!!! Just the lackeys that you pay minimum wage to! Most "conservative" Money families haven't hit a lick themselves in 3 generations! Not since those evil Democrats abolished Slavery! :wink: Like waitresses, I'm sure they are paid minimim wage OR LESS. As truckers, we are making way more money than them. [/quote] I wouldn't tip them, but as their employer, I would provide a wage that compensates them for the job they are doing - the better they do, the more they earn. Welcome to the good ol U.S. of A. :wink: So... delivering the food to your table should pay as much as delivering produce to the grocery warehouse? I'm not "strapped", and I didn't get this way by throwing money around uselessly, supplementing other people's income. I work hard to earn my money, and I expect the same of anyone who I am paying. So... you've never bought a new/used car/truck on which the seller got a commission? Or a house? Or even a $8 CD (that cost $1.10 each to make? can you NOT spare a dollar or two for those less fortunate? It isn't charity - it's a job. Again... a typical conservative "faith based" response! No faith here - I'm an agnostic. And I vote with my dollars. As do MOST Republicans. They give their dollars to the candidate who will bend the laws in their favor! Most Wait staff are paid BELOW the minimum wage because they are EXPECTED to make TIPS. Although, I share your concern that they should give good service, they are NOT making even minimum wage, and REGARDLESS of their level of service.... do you want your dinner tonight or not?[/quote] They chose to take that job, knowing full well that they would be counting on their customers for part of their income. If they have become so complacent that they feel they don't need to go "above and beyond" the norm to earn that income, then I feel no reason to go "above and beyond" paying my check. And if the CUSTOMER has become so complacent that they don't feel they need to leave a tip? This is exactly why most finer restaurants include a "gratuity" in the ticket price. Because Americans are complacent and don't CARE about those who wait on them! So now this is political? I am a Republican, and I believe that people should EARN what they are given. I don't expect tips from my customers, but I accept them graciously when I receive them. But, then again, I always go "above and beyond". If a waiter or waitress gives exceptional service, not only will I tip them, but I will REALLY tip them - sometimes more than the bill.[/quote] Well... I can't argue with THIS! I wonder if they have a "lottery" to decide WHO gets your special treatment? :lol: No... not political... geez, can't I make a simple statement about what I believe in?? My DAD is a Republican, and he spends 15 minutes after each meal "calculating" the 15% tip he feels "required" to leave. I have a simple system. Under $20 bucks they get $2 minimum. Whether a cheezy truckstop or a nice restaurant. OVER $20 bucks, I leave $3-4 dollars. If the service is EXCEPTIONAL, I leave $5 or more. Nice to know that one who thinks these people are stealing from you, will accept a gratuity if offered! :lol: As a "driver" I never HAVE and never WOULD! I get paid enough for "doing my job!" :wink: [/quote] The last time I ate out, I left no tip - I had to ask for items that were supposed to be included with my meal, and my wife had to ask for a refill of her hot water for tea - even though the waitress took the little cup that the water was in. The time before that, I left a $20 tip on a $60 check, as the waitress obviously took pride in her job, and deserved every penny. So... if your shower is dirty, you won't leave a tip.... but if they took pride in making it clean and hospitable to you... you'll leave $20? No - you are missing the real problem, that these employees of the truck stops aren't making a decent wage, and feel the need to beg the customers for money. If they feel they need to beg me for their income, they better give me a good reason to pay it. So, as a Conservative, you not only want them to BEG you for a living wage... but want them to give you a good reason why they SHOULD be begging you? Cheap? You bet - I didn't get here by being frivolous. NOR compassionate! Arrogant? Absolutely. I worked hard to get where I am, and expect others to do the same. And if they need a little help, like many who come to this board, you will tell them to just "eat cake?" Eat the candy? No freakin way - I'm not putting anything near my mouth that someone cleaning bathrooms for a living put there for me. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Well... you GOT me there! :lol: I'm absolutely serious, so I am expecting a flame war. :wink: Sorry.... Democrats don't believe in Flaming wars! That's the purview of the Conservatives! WE believe in discussion! :lol: _______________________________ Rev.Vassago; is the cheapest man alive.[/quote] |
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The people that are employed to clean the showers are NOT considered wait staff per IRS definition, therefore they are paid a minimum of Federal minimum wage per Federal law. Number 2. You can not bring your own political persuasion into a conversation and then say that the conversation is NOT political. The OP just asked a question about tipping. Stay on topic and leave the politics out of it, it is a non-partisan debate. If you need to discuss something political, we have those topics in the anything and everything and current events. Any further political discussion when it is clearly a different topic will find this thread locked. |
Tipping is for personal services. Waitress, barber, manicurist, etc. The janitorial staff does not rate a tip. Otherwise why not tip the guy who is out picking up trash in the parking lot. I hate it when you go to the counter to order something and there is a tip jar there. I never drop money in the jar, no personal service was extended. I do tip my barber and waiters and waitresses. Why not put a tip jar on the back of your trailer?
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ZIP!! LOCK!! MUMS the WORD!! Not another word from ME about WHO might or might NOT tip the less fortunate! I guess it's more a PERSONAL thing. You either TIP or you DON'T. BTW.... did y'all get my check?? :lol: |
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If one does a good job a tip would be nice just like any other service job
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I have tipped for exceptional showers - but it has to be exactly that - exceptional.
I could pretty much count on one hand the amount of times I've left a tip. On the other side, I've had showers where I wished I could bathe in bleach to get the shower funk off of me.... |
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Not to fuel the flames, but many of the wealthier people I have met over the years consider themselves Democrats. And the slaves were freed by Lincoln, who was a Republican. :wink: |
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Hmmm.... I can't comment on much of the Rev's "no comments" or his "comments" without being political, so I can't.
I will say to others, that my comments about the evildoers abolishing slavery was meant to be tongue in cheek. I have been to MANY fine restaurants that add gratuities for OTHER than large parties. MANY of them in the D.C. area, and others throughout the world. But... this was NOT about 'wait staff.' It was about showers. I've been to Love's where there were curly hairs in the sink and the toilet, and trash in the trash can. I've been to Petros and T/A's where I had to chase down an attendant and ask them in Spanish for an extra towel. I've been to the gearjammer in Yakima, where I didn't even have room to turn around, I had to get my towel and soap from the convenience store, and they had NO ventilation or fan in them. (She suggested I run the shower on cold for awhile after getting out!) :shock: But, at the Boise Stage stop, the attendant got my TWO towels and escorted me to the shower room. It was bigger than my living room! It had a clean, modular shower with a sliding glass door. AND a separate tub if I prefered to soak awhile. The toilet was clean and sat right next to a Bidet! (not sure what I was supposed to do with THAT! :lol: ) There was no drain in the middle of the floor.... nice clean linoleum. A double sink, I think, hairdryer, etc., etc. There were plastic wrapped cups for whatever some of you use them for. On and on..... and a nice little note saying that if I wasn't HAPPY, here's who to blame and who to tell! If I was happy, and WANTED to, a gratuity would be APPRECIATED. This was all upstairs in a private area for truckers with a nice movie room and a T.V. room. I don't know.... it just didn't seem all that much to ask for me to leave a few bucks for someone who's job I hope I NEVER have to do! I've tipped bellhops for doing nothing more than wheeling a cart with my bags to my room and handing me my key. There are people in this world who find it important and gratifying to be generous to those who SERVE us, and have less than us. Then, there are the tightwads and the clueless. I'll say no more about them or the subject. But... it just amazes me how much some truckers whine about not getting paid for sitting on their butts waiting at a dock, when they hired on to DRIVE the truck. |
Just to lighten up this discussion a bit - I found a photo of golfhobo's Boise Stage stop bathroom.
http://jbenson002.googlepages.com/Tr...full;init:.jpg |
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Tipping in the United States is legally optional (by definition, a "gratuity" can never be a required part of compensation[6]), but has become so ingrained in the culture that it is considered mandatory by many.[citation needed] The wide variety of professions, in addition to the varying percentages and amounts which are expected of each profession, arguably gives the United States the distinction of having the most common (and complicated) tipping culture in the world.
* Waiters: 15% is generally accepted as a standard tip for good service, though higher tips (>20%) are common for exceptional service. With large parties, an automatic 15?20% tip is sometimes added to the check. * Busser (Tip generally not expected, as tip sharing with the waiters sometimes occurs) * Restaurant take-away/curbside servers typically do expect a tip although the standard for good service (usually the same person takes your order, bags it up, and brings it to your car) is 10% as they are not providing the extent of services that a waiter would provide. * Hotel bellman/bellhop/porters ($1 to $2 per bag) $1-$2 extra for other services(getting ice, arranging dinner reservations or show tickets.) * Hotel maids ($2 per day) * Hotel room service (15-20%; Same as restaurant gratuity below.) * Hotel concierge ($5 to $10) * Hotel doorman ($1 per bag for help with luggage; $1 for hailing a cab) * Sommeliers (15% of the cost of the bottle) * Bartenders ($1 per drink or 15% of bar bill) * Restroom attendant ($0.50 to $1) * Taxicab drivers (15%) * Limo drivers (15-25%) * Valet parking attendants ($1 to $5 upon arrival and departure; make sure to tip person actually parking and/or delivering vehicle) * Hairdressers/barbers (10% in small towns, 15-20% in cities; Tip is expected whether the stylist is the proprietor or not.) * Manicurist (15%) * Spa service (15-20%) * Pizza (and other food) delivery-persons (10% of total, at least $3. In most cases, the delivery driver pays for his or her fuel. Many companies use contractors who receive no hourly wage.) * Curbside luggage handlers at airports ($1 per bag) * Coat checker ($1 per coat) * Ski instructors (sometimes, especially when giving a private lesson) * Piercers and tattoo artists (body piercers generally 10%, tattoo artists %20) * Movers ($20 to $30 per mover plus extra for stairs) * Large or heavy deliveries ($5 to $10 per person) * Shoe shiners * Tour Guides/Tour Bus operators (only private guides) * Karaoke disc jockey ($1 per song) * Mechanical bull operator ($1 per ride) * Golf Caddies ($10 to $20 per bag carried, but sometimes more is given) [citation needed] * Golf Club Cleaners: $3.00 per bag * Camp Counselor: Many higher-class summer camps encourage parents to tip at least $20 per camper * Gas station attendant from $.50 - $5.00 (median is $1, mean is around $1.33)[citation needed](Minimum service gas station attendants are never tipped.) * At a buffet: $1 per person; if staff bring free beverages to the table, 25? for each drink * Poker dealers: $1 per pot other than blind steals, which require no tip. Often, more is given if the pot is very large. Similarly, chip runners are tipped for bringing chips or exchanging denominations. Employees in occupations where tipping is common typically receive very low salaries and receive the bulk, if not all, of their compensation in tips. [citation needed] [edit] At a restaurant The standard is 15% for restaurant meals, higher for exceptionally good service. Many restaurants will automatically add a gratuity of 15-20% to the bill for large parties, often defined as 6 (or 8) or more people; if this is done the amount is clearly indicated on the check as a "gratuity" or "service charge." In this case no additional tip is required to be added to the total, but is appreciated if the service was excellent. The built-in gratuity is part of the bill, and not paying the tip may be subject to the same consequences as "skipping out" on a bill. In the case of poor service, many choose to leave a tip but also to speak with the manager or supervisor on duty. If the patron plans to visit the establishment again, it is in his or her best interest to leave a good tip so that subsequent service will be adequate. [neutrality disputed] Tipping at buffet-style restaurants is not as common, since buffet workers are paid a slightly higher fixed wage and do not depend as much on tips. The amount of the tip should be proportional to the amount of time that the server needed to spend on properly helping the customer. Sometimes, the menu offers tipping information as a guide to patrons. If a diner is unsure of how much to tip a server, the gratuity stated on the menu is usually an appropriate percentage to apply. [neutrality disputed] When dining out, contact with the server is only one part of a chain of events that occurs when food is ordered. If food is prepared incorrectly or takes too long, it is often the fault of the kitchen, whose staff may receive no part of the tip. In some restaurants, however, the kitchen staff share in the tips. At many establishments, the server must tip out members of the support staff (kitchen, bartender, and busser) at the end of their shift [7]. The amount that is tipped out is often determined by a certain percentage of the server's sales (most often 1.5-3% of total sales). Thus when a patron leaves a very small tip or no tip at all, it actually results in the server having to pay money to have served the non-tipping patron.[8] Legally, money received as a tip out should be reported as income for tax purposes, [9] but in most establishments, the server pays taxes on money tipped out. If service is truly poor, it is best to contact management. [neutrality disputed] US federal labor law requires that if declared tips and hourly wages do not total the minimum wage (per pay period), the employer must make up the difference[10]. Beyond that, servers often "tip out" portions of their money to support staff like bartenders and bussers[11]. [edit] At a bar When at a bar, and receiving good or above service, it is customary to tip $1.00 per drink. Some drinks, such as Macallan 25, which can be more than $35.00 for a single neat shot, could deserve more. This is arguable however, as it is just as easy to pour this shot as a shot of well vodka. For a pitcher of beer, which usually contains around four beers, a tip of $2.00 is reasonable. For a customer drinking a soda (at an actual drinking establishment, not a restaurant), a tip is still a good idea, but it is acceptable to tip every other drink, or on every third. Bartenders and cocktail waitresses depend on tips for a salary, and better tipping is almost always rewarded with better service. [edit] Holiday season Many service staff are tipped annually during the winter holiday season (often called a "Christmas bonus"), such as house cleaners and pool cleaners. Some people also tip their local mail carrier in this manner (see government workers below). In some large cities, the staff of apartment buildings, such as building superintendents, porters, concierges and doormen, expect an annual tip from residents during the holiday season. The amount to tip varies on the occupation of the person receiving the tip and the size and wealth of the building; most residents typically budget $75 to $200 in total each year for building holiday tips. Building staff also expect tips for performing services not normally part of their jobs, such as watering a plant or running an errand. [edit] Government workers Under United States federal law it is considered bribery to tip government workers. However, they are permitted to receive money or gifts less than or equal to $20.00. It is a common practice to tip federal employees (such as one's mail carrier) $20.00 for the winter holiday. Also, in some cases a potential tipper can donate money to a charity related to the government agency. For example, most National Parks have related "natural history associations," in which case the worker that prompted the tip may appreciate hearing that their service prompted a donation. [edit] Canada Tipping in Canada is very similar to that in the United States due to the close nature of the two countries. However, tipping is less widespread and generally lower. For example, while the tipping range for waiters in the United States is 15-20% with 20% for good service, the range for waiters in Canada is 10-20% with 15% for good service. Albertan tip earners generally receive gratuities on par with the American level, perhaps owing to that province's increased affluence and closer cultural ties to the U.S. Quebec and Ontario allow employers to pay lower minimum wages to workers who would reasonably be expected to be receiving tips. [12] Workers who receive tips are legally required to report the income to the Canada Revenue Agency and pay income tax on it. However, many workers have been known to not report any income from tips at all or, perhaps more commonly, to "lowball" the figure. In response, the CRA has vowed that it will closely check the tax returns of individuals that it would reasonably expect to be receiving tips to ensure that the tips are reported, and that the amount reported on the returns is realistic. [13] I dont tip the shower staff because every one i have been in has been dirty |
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I didn't actually get THAT one, but it was close. They DID write my name down in a book, and I can't help but think that when you leave, you get a star by your name for tipping. Maybe, on a future trip, my name will be recognized, and I'll get THIS shower! I wonder how much they would charge me to spend the night in THAT one?? :lol: |
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