The community organizer!
 

Obama urges blacks to vote and "guard the change


By Alister Bull Alister Bull – Sun Sep 19, 7:15 am ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama, seeking to fire up an important part of his support base ahead of November's elections, told black leaders on Saturday he wanted their support to "guard the change" he was delivering.
"I need everybody here to go back to your neighborhoods, and your workplaces, to your churches, and barbershops, and beauty shops. Tell them we have more work to do. Tell them we can't wait to organize. Tell them that the time for action is now," he told the Congressional Black Caucus.

The words of America's first black president showed a deliberate effort to recapture the enthusiasm that had helped him win the White House in 2008, after polls showed African- Americans much less likely to vote than whites this year.
"It's not surprising that a lot of people may not be feeling that energized or that engaged right now," he told an annual awards ceremony hosted by the organization representing black members of the U.S. Congress.

"A lot of folks may be feeling like politics is something they get involved in every four years when there's a presidential election, but they don't see why they should bother the rest of the time," he said.
Republicans could make big gains in November as high unemployment and slowing growth turns voters away from Obama's Democrats, potentially costing them control of Congress.
A Gallup survey in early September found only 25 percent of blacks had given 'quite a lot' or 'some' thought to the November 2 congressional ballot, compared to 42 percent of whites.
This represents a much larger gap than during the presidential election in 2008, when the two groups were about equal in their intention to cast a ballot.
High turnout in the African-American community, together with the enthusiastic support of young voters, was a striking feature of the 2008 election and an important part of Obama's strategy in securing the White House.
Success in repeating at least part of that performance in the upcoming midterm poll, when voter turnout is traditionally low, could make a big difference to congressional Democrats running in close races. All 435 seats in the U.S. House of Representatives and 37 of 100 Senate seats are up for grabs.
"The last election was a changing of the guard -- now we need to guard the change," Obama said.
(Editing by Eric Walsh)

Is there some purpose for this thread other than to show your blatant racist views against the Black community and president Obama? Should we be SURPRISED that Obama is trying to "get out" the black vote that had a minor part in electing him? Or that they should be "guarded" against losing what LITTLE they have won by having a HALF Black man in the White House? Are you saying that, even tho the MAJORITY swing vote for him in 2008 came from WHITE "independents," that his presidency is somehow ONLY "legitimized" by the fact that blacks (13% of the population... not ALL voting) voted for him to a large (but not exclusive) degree? That, if it weren't for that historically high turnout of those PESKY 13% of Americans who are black, we'd have a WHITE man in the oval office? Do you even know what a "community organizer" really is?

Say you're a WHITE property owner on the outskirts of town. The local/state gov't decides to build a PRISON in your back yard, so to speak. You're concerned about your SAFETY... AND the value of your property. Someone knocks on your door and invites you to sign a petition and/or show up at a "town hall" meeting or a protest against the prison. Is he a BAD guy for helping you make your voice HEARD??

MY answer to all of these questions would be NO. [except for the one about legitimization]

I'm pretty sure that YOUR answer will depend on whatever Glenn Beck TELLS you to believe this week.

I predict that this thread will be quickly LOCKED. Give me ONE reason why it shouldn't be.

Did I say ANYTHING about him being black, or half black? Nooooo......as a matter of fact I didn't say anything. I just posted HIS words, not 1 from me. I simply posted an article showing how desperate this Horses A** is and I'm going to keep posting articles when he opens his mouth and say's something stupid or something against the people of ALL races and colors. He was a community organizer before he got to where he is, and he will always be a community organizer because that is ALL he knows. Agitate the opposition. He is an embarrasment to this GREAT COUNTRY! Which it is despite him.

Again, a lefty liberal bringing up race, (you). I'm just doing my teenie weenie itsy bitsy part in getting this joke of a president thrown out of office.

As for me being racist. I've told you before, not that I can do anything about it, but, LAY OFF!!! You have absolutley NO clue about me or my family regarding race or who my family AND friends consist of. I don't have to prove or explain anything to you or anybody else. I'm the farthest thing from a racist. It just so happens this TWIT is half black AND half white, that's not my fault. If it will make you happy I'll just address the white side of him. It just so happens I think the same about Nancy Pelosi, Harry Ried, Lindsey Graham, Joe Leiberman, etc, etc, etc......Last I checked they are white, so take your ASSumptions and go try to tag somebody else, like maybe all of those racist blacks that are against your failure of a president.

Lock this thread down because you think it should be locked down? No arrogance there.

robertt said:

By "HIS" you mean the author of the article, right? This guy named BULL? (how appropriate.) Or do you THINK you posted Obama's words? There is a difference. This article was, IMHO, racist. I didn't SAY they were YOUR words. I said that you must have agreed with the author or you wouldn't find it necessary to cut and paste the article with NO COMMENTS of your own. [as a thread starter, no less!]

I think ALL politicians are at times desperate. I just don't find it extraordinary that he would try to "get out" the black vote that COULD help him (or the DEM congress) stay in power in order to have TIME to enact their goals. It would be a "non issue" except for the fact that YOU posted it here.

Um... he was ALSO the editor of the Harvard LAW REVIEW. Not MANY in our government can make that claim! Dubya was an owner of a MLB team! So? How does THAT make him presidential material?

An "agitator of the opposition?" Really? What do you think Sarah Palin is? What IS the Tea Party if not the "opposition?" Where is your ANGER at those who "organize" these tea party demonstrations? Oh yeah... I forgot... they aren't BLACK PEOPLE! :hellno:

I'm NOT what you say I am. I'm a Centrist. I would LOVE to see some Bipartisan governance of this country. I brought up the RACIST tenor of this article because it is OBVIOUS to anyone with half a brain! IF President Obama is voted out in 2012, it won't be because of YOUR "itsy bitsy" efforts. So take another "break."

Ahh... but you DID do something about it. I HAVE "laid off" of you for quite some time now....even before you "bugged out." Hell, I even lost sleep over the fact that I might have "run you off!" :lol:

But, if you're going to "return" by starting threads that are just cut and paste attacks on Obama, then pretend it wasn't YOUR idea, and expect ME to "lay off" of that? .... you don't understand the rules of this game! :deal:

And last "I" checked... you have ONLY concentrated on Obama. But, I SEE your point, and give you credit for being "anti-Progressive" to boot! I have no desire to paint you as a racist without reason. Just quit giving me a reason! ;)

What? All THREE of them? :lol2:

No. None. I didn't say it SHOULD be locked down, or that it should be locked down because "I" said so! I PERCEIVED your original post to be racist in nature (though not of YOUR speaking.) MY response elevated the volatility! So.... based on previous examples.... I expected the mods to shut it down before it got out of hand.

What IS it about you "conspiracists?" Can you not see the LOGICAL and common sense viewpoint on ANYTHING??? :eek2::hellno:

You know hobo. Say what you will about me or anybody else. Discredit our/my articles/quotes/arguments, whatever. It will NEVER change the fact obama is a L-O-S-E-R. That is a shame. He is OUR POTUS. He LIED to get to where he is now and he will always be a liar. He can't deliver on ALL of his promises and is even going further left than most imagined. And yes I know, they all lie. I guess I am so against him because I was once FOR him. His Black and White side. He's a fraud. Not just to me but to SEVERAL people I know and MANY more I don't "personally" know.

It's like putting chrome on a Mack, (sorry mackman), or makeup on a pig. You can do what you want to hide it but it is what it is.

I'm not against Tea parties because they are fighting for what I also am fighting for. The last I checked, there are black folks who go to the Tea parties. Guess you didn't see the pic's from Beck's 8/28 gathering. Plenty of black people. Guess you didn't see MLK's niece speak. Is she a racist?

I am anti-progressive. I'm anti ANYBODY who wants to change this country from what it is. Yes we have some bad history, but that's why it's called history. I think I've made my feelings about obama pretty clear. I can reiterate them if you would like. I also have the same feelings for lots more politicans, black and white. The obamanator just happens to be the biggest loser out front, so that's why I concentrate on him. Would you like my opinion on somebody else? It's an open forum and I'm feeling generous. Just let me know. I promise I won't hold back.

You know what hobo? I'd like to meet you sometime. Do your travels ever get you thru OKC? If they do let me know and I'll PM you my # and I'll have you over for a meal. Any time of day, it doesn't matter, we will sit down and have a chat. It doesn't even have to be about politics. I'll take you out to the base and show you what I do. You can spend the night if you like and I'll take a day off if needed. I thought I saw once where you team, your partner is welcome also. An open invitation, it's up to you, just let me know. I'm sure you could amaze my 5yr old son with all kinds of stories. If you don't want to park at a truck stop there is a Wal-mart, a patroled one, about a mile from my house.

Anytime!

I'll get to the REST of that "moderate" rant later, but....

Christine O'Donnell. Let's start there.

Or, if you prefer.... Sharon Angle?

Wait... wait... I REALLY want to hear your defense of Rand Paul!

Lets see. Christine O'Donnell. I'm not real crazy about the witchcraft thing, but obama believes in Collective Salvation so I'll stick with the "dabbling" in witchcraft thingy, it sounds like she was over it a long time ago, obama is still talking about his. O'Donnell for 10 Alex. She wants to get rid of the "establishment". I'm for that if they are not TRUE conservatives. There is no such thing, in my book, as a moderate republican or a blue dog democrat. If they were truly that way then they would be conservative, No? Obama wants his cronies, so again, I'll stick with O'Donnell.

She's got an opinion on sex stuff, so what, don't we all? Most of it bad. You ought to hear what the guy's at work talk about. There are some sick puppies out there. She talks about abstinance. That's bad? She's got an opinion on masturbation. It's weird but I'm not going to judge her off of that. She's had money problems, so what, don't we all. Wasn't there something about our treasury secretary Geitner and a senator, I think his name is Charlie Wrangel and he's in charge of the "Committee on Way's and Mean's"? The one that writes the tax code legislation, didn't they have some small tax problems? Just taking a stab in the dark here. Again, O'Donnell.

Sharon Angle, don't know enough about her to have an opinion.....yet.

Rand Paul, don't know anything about him. Heard some stuff about him but I'll have to get back to you on that one.

There you go. Next?

Question: "What is collective salvation?"

Answer: Basically, “collective salvation” means “unless we are all saved, none of us will be saved” or “we as individuals must cooperate and sacrifice for the good of the whole.” Another way to state what collective salvation means is: “I can't be saved on my own. I have to do my part by cooperating with the group, even sacrificing, to ensure everyone else’s salvation. It is then that we’re all saved together.” Scripture, however, is clear that salvation is a process by which God saves individuals through the sacrifice of Christ on the cross. Each person must come to Christ individually, not collectively.

Collective salvation is also analogous to the ecumenical movement in that many mainline Protestant churches are willing to embrace Catholicism, Islam, Buddhism, Eastern mysticism religions, and the cults in order to achieve social and moral goals. Their thinking is that if enough godly people band together, they can win the war against godless paganism and evil in societies that have abandoned all sense of morality. The belief is that with all individuals cooperating and sacrificing for the common good, all societal ills will be eradicated. Adherents of ecumenism claim that the church is in a holy war to preserve Christian values that are intimately woven into the fabric of biblical teaching, and that we must desist in our disagreements over doctrine and join together to wage this war against a decaying world.

Advocates for ecumenism or collective salvation often use John 17 as their proof text. Their contention is that Jesus was praying for everyone to get along, not to fight amongst ourselves. But actually His prayer was for His disciples only—all those who would ever follow Him, to the exclusion of all others—that they would have a common bond, a oneness in God’s Spirit which was ultimately realized on the day of Pentecost (see Acts chapter 2). God produced this common bond among Christians when His Spirit came upon them and they were baptized with the Spirit into Christ’s body. Paul summed this up this way in 1 Corinthians 6:17 when he said: “He who unites himself with the Lord is one with Him in the Spirit.”

The problem with the concept of collective salvation is that it is nowhere found in Scripture. One of the key components of collective salvation has to do with the deceptive thinking that the church must band together in a concerted effort to rid the world of all the immorality that permeates our society today. However, there is no instance in the New Testament of either Jesus or any of the apostles ever attempting to fix the problems of their society, including governments. What they did teach is that one’s salvation is through the gospel of Christ on an individual level, not collectively. Christ comes to the heart of the individual, knocking to gain entrance, and by the power and the moving of the Holy Spirit, we open the door of our hearts to Him (1 Corinthians 2:12-16; Revelation 3:20).

One of the most troubling aspects of the concept of collective salvation or ecumenism is its claim that our purpose is to fight a cultural war, that we’re some kind of human power base that can influence governments by voting in large blocs, or by lobbying, or creating institutions that can defend and endorse morality in our society. But Paul makes it clear that this is not the Christian’s role: “In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived” (2 Timothy 3:12-13). Our Christian biblical mandate has nothing to do with any collective morality politically, organizationally, or religiously. Our mandate has everything to do with the Great Commission—calling others to individual salvation through Christ.

This thread points about Obama's racist attitude against whites.

I have no bone to pick with you, Bigmon. I enjoy your posts. So, don't get all defensive when I ask this...just HOW does it do so?

I understand the whole reverse racist argument. But, I find it difficult to believe that he would be racist against his OWN MOTHER'S race. Or that of his Grandmother who helped raise him. He may have grown up poor, as he says, but I bet it was in a poor WHITE neighborhood. I've heard no evidence that he was "beat down" for being a little (half)black child by his white neighbors.

But, whether he's racist or not (and I don't believe he IS,) my question is what part of this thread starting post SHOWS that to you. I'm really interested. Maybe, I can learn something if you can make an argument for your position.

Your "twitter-length" post doesn't quite make your case. ;)

:argue:


:popcorn:

:D

And some are worried about Ms. O'Donnell "dabbling" in witchcraft when she was in high school when she was 16-17yrs old? This is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES when he was an adult! It wasn't just "dabbling", it went on for a while. Again, his words, not mine. And yes, I just put in the pertinent parts. Cut and Paste as it were. Does it make it any different? And they are slamming tea party folks? Amazing.

I've got no problem with somebody experimenting with stuff or even doing some of this stuff. You realize that it's not the way to go, you made a mistake and you move on. What I do have a problem with is the A**HOLES, (Lib's), slamming other folks for their mistakes when they have done the same or worse. From either party!

Effect of Obama's Candor Remains to Be Seen

Senator Admitted Trying Cocaine in a Memoir Written 11 Years Ago

By Lois Romano
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 3, 2007

Long before the national media spotlight began to shine on every twist and turn of his life's journey, Barack Obama had this to say about himself: "Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. . . . I got high [to] push questions of who I was out of my mind."


Obama's revelations were not an issue during his Senate campaign two years ago. But now his open narrative of early, bad choices, including drug use starting in high school and ending in college, as well as his tortured search for racial identity, are sure to receive new scrutiny.

Didn't Obama in one of his books hint around that he may have tried a little homo-sex act? I THINK I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT THAT and no I'm not wasting my time looking it up! You can believe it , prove it, or disprove it, it's up to you.

Hobo, I could be wrong but I did hear something about his mom and how he may have been raised by her. If it is true then it seems he has a bone to pick with everyone. The story pissed folks off at the WH.

How Obama Thinks - Forbes.com

The WH response:Howard Kurtz - White House rips Forbes article

This morning on the news they showed Obama at a town meeting with his former supporters. One woman said that she was exhausted defending him. It is interesting to see his base fall away. Most of those shown said something about being disappointed at the type of change he has made. It was interesting.

He's talking to the Black Caucus telling THEM to get back to their barbershops etc. Who is THEM and notice these are all businesses blacks tend to own. Like Earl the barber. The way he makes his statements comes across and blacks against the MAN.

You know she was racist? I know she was black, but still, isn't anybody that speaks against obama a racist?

I'm so sick of hearing that. But yet when a black person speaks out nothing is said.

That lady owned him at the Town Hall Meeting. He wasn't quite ready for that to come out in a meeting where the people allowed in were screened so he wouldn't get a question he wasn't ready for. Notice how he stumbled for an answer and never actually answered her question but instead went into a campaign mode of "look what I did here." His face was priceless as she slowly unloaded on him, you could see the wheels turning in his head of, "Oh crap I can't answer this."

That is the way Obama and the Democrats like it. If they can keep a wedge between certain groups of Americans they can maintain control. It is like the magician who uses slight of hand to make us believe in magic. You look at one hand while the other is doing the trick. If they can keep blacks in an uproar against whites then they can exercise control. They want to do the same thing with the Hispanic community. Some of those who have been fooled are waking up and are beginning to see what is going on.

Just look at all the racists organizations they support such as the Black Caucus, Black Chamber of Commerce, Miss Black America, Jet Magazine, Ebony Magazine, Black Entertainment TV, etc., All of these are racist organizations. These would not be tolerated if you substituted "white" for "black." Blacks are called African American even if they have been in this country for generations. I wonder what would happen if White people started calling themselves "European Americans?" We are all AMERICANS if we were born in this country. By using hyphenated names it provides a division between the races.

Obama and the Democrats also like to drive a wedge between the rich and poor. They have pushed an agenda of entitlement where some citizens are told that they are entitled to certain benefits from the government. They also tell those who are poor and the middle class that the reason they don't have any more than they do is because of the rich. If the rich paid more taxes then they poor or middle class would have more. It is a lie, but millions of Americans have fallen for their lies. It would not have been so easy to happen 30 or 40 years ago when children were educated and learned how our government and economy works. Socialism was NEVER taught in our schools as it is today.

There was a white guy there who was also a bit of a surprise to Obama. In fact, I think that much of the room was not happy with him and his policies. I don't think he was prepared for such opposition from a "friendly" crowd.

The video's say it ALL!!!

So much to talk about in this thread. Not enough time (at least not right now... that thing was 5 pages and two bathroom breaks long!)

Thanks for the link Mr. Ford. That was a VERY interesting (though biased and errant) article!

I don't see the relationship between IT and his being raised by his mom, though.

But, I WAS wondering where NEWT got the idea for his widely discredited remarks.

Anyway.... hope to get to this soon. I really see no way other than to rebut it paragraph by paragraph, but I'm trying to think of a shorter way.

The BASIC facts are not wrong. It's the interpretation of them and the biased conclusions that I can't let remain unchallenged.

For now, the short answer is this..... "anticolonialism" is NOT RACIST by nature or necessity.

And the most glaring ERROR is the author's misunderstanding and incorrect misstating of the 100% tax "rate." Obama Sr. did NOT say (or mean) 100% taxation of income. (or taking ALL of it!) He said.... "taxing (at SOME level) 100% of income. That is not so different than the FLAT tax discussed earlier in another thread. [at least, that was MY understanding of it while quickly reading that LONG article.]

More later....

Well it's not hard to fake out the screeners. Look at American Idol, they have had contestants get inside and sing a totally different song than they did to the screeners outside. I think it's good for Obama to get into this type of crowd more often, he claims to be in touch, this is a good start because he is not in touch, heck none of the politicians are in touch right now. They all claim they understand how life is tough right now in this country, they do not understand at all.

I wonder if obama met up with students at See You at the Pole this morning??

Check out her shirt!
According to their annual reports, Jayapal’s OneAmerica (formerly Hate Free Zone) receives funding from a number of liberal individuals and interest groups, including George Soros’ Open Society Institute, Planned Parenthood, SEIU, the Tides Foundation and a number of various union organizations.

Illegal Aliens Canvass for Votes in Wash. State

Published October 22, 2010




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Oct. 16: Maria Gianni, an illegal immigrant, poses for a portrait at a phone bank in Seattle being used by OneAmerica Votes.

SEATTLE -- When Maria Gianni is knocking on voters' doors, she's not bashful about telling people she is in the country illegally. She knows it's a risk to to strangers that she's here illegally -- but one worth taking in what she sees as a crucial election.
The 42-year-old is one of dozens of volunteers -- many of them illegal immigrants -- canvassing neighborhoods in the Seattle area trying to get naturalized citizens to cast a ballot for candidates like Democratic Sen. Patty Murray, who is in a neck-to-neck race with Republican Dino Rossi.
Pramila Jayapal, head of OneAmerica Votes, says the campaign is about empowering immigrants who may not feel like they can contribute to a campaign because they can't vote.
"Immigrants really do matter," Jayapal said. "If we can't vote ourselves, we're gonna knock on doors, or get family members to vote."
So far the illegal immigrants going-to-door aren't meeting opposition. Craig Keller, an organizer for Respect WA, a group pushing for stricter immigration law in the Washington, said he doesn't mind illegal immigrants volunteering for vote drives, he just wants to make sure mistakes on the voter rolls don't allow them to vote.
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Aug. 17: President Obama and Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash. , left, take part in a roundtable discussion with small business owners at Grand Central Bakery in Seattle.

"Anybody can go out and wave a sign, but when it comes to who's making the choices, there's no question they need to be," Keller said.
In close elections across the country, the immigrant and minority vote is considered key for candidates, especially Democrats.
Earlier this week in Nevada, a television ad urging Latinos not to vote sparked outcry from Democrats, who called it a dirty trick meant to keep Hispanics home and boost Republican candidates. Univision and Telemundo -- the nation's two largest Spanish-language -- canceled the ad, which the Republican group Latinos for Reform had planned to eventually run in Nevada, Florida, California, Texas and Colorado through the Nov. 2 election.
Seattle is home to a wide array of immigrant communities, from Latinos to east Africans and Asians.
Congress declined this year to consider overhauling the country's immigration law, much to the chagrin of immigrant advocates who had expected Democrats to do so by now.
Still, OneAmerica Votes launched one of the largest get-out-the-vote campaigns in the state on behalf of Democratic candidates. The organization is an offshoot of OneAmerica, one of the state's largest and the most influential immigrant-rights advocacy group.
Through home visits, banks and mailings the organization is aiming to reach about 40,000 registered voters in the Seattle area in an attempt to help Democrats gain ground in key races. Volunteers include other types of people who can't vote, such as legal permanent residents.
About 150 volunteers rolled out in nine cities across Washington this past week, knocking on 3,000 doors.
In Bellevue, a city of nearly 123,000 east of Seattle, Gianni knocked on 25 doors and spoke to 15 people, she said.
One man, a naturalized citizen from the Philippines, said he knew what she was going through after she shared she was in the country illegally.
"There's always a risk," Gianni said in Spanish about her legal status. "But if there's a change, I would feel like I contributed, even in a small part, to a change we all need."
Gianni arrived in the United States on a 13 years ago looking for work and stayed. For a while her only son lived here, but has since moved back to Mexico.
"In order for there to be a change to our broken immigration system," she said, "I believe one has to fight."

It speaks volumes for these illegals to be so blatant with their lack of concern for our immigration laws. It also shows a great desperation on behalf of the democrats. They are so terrified of losing power that they are willing to break our laws to win. If I lived in Washington, I would vote against democrats just because of this situation.

Careful GMAN, we don't want to be fear mongering racists :roll:

If I were a True Law Supporting Sherrif I would go into that call center and SHUT IT DOWN for hiring Illegal aliens then File a RICO Lawsuit against the groups that were using them for polling. Called make an example of them. However getting a Liberal in Washington to do that Slim to None and None is on his Union Mandated Coffee Break.

GMAN.... please tell me what laws the Dems are breaking in this situation.

IronEagle..... please show me WHERE in the above article it mentions that any illegal aliens were HIRED. Then explain how you THINK you could apply RICO statutes to ANYTHING involved in this.

They could be considered as aiding abeiting in the commission of a crime. Or perhaps giving aid to criminals. If they are aware that these people are illegal and hiding them then they have broken a crime. You could possibly consider them as foreign spies who are conspiring to alter our elections. I am sure that you could come up with a string of laws that they have broken.

When you use common sense against the liberals it confuses them.

GMAN said:

"They" WHO?? The Dem party? Soros? Every DEM in WA???

Other than the base "crime" of being here illegally.... these "volunteers" are not COMMITTING any crime. Most states in America don't even ARREST or deport an illegal UNLESS they are actually comitting some crime or breaking a law. So our "society" as well as our Public Safety professionals make a distinction between being here illegally.... and comitting a crime in America.

Who is hiding? They are knocking on DOORS and making phone calls in PLAIN SIGHT! Besides..... there IS a crime against HIRING illegals (tho not being enforced as it should be... which helps the GOP,) but as far as I know.... we don't have a criminal statute in America regarding "harboring" an illegal.

Now you are REALLY sounding paranoid! :eek2::lol:

Right or wrong, illegals have a "stake" in our elections. Not a VOTE.... but, the right (under the 14th Amendment) to VOLUNTEER to make some calls on behalf of the party that helps them the most.

You don't want to get me STARTED on how our elections have been "altered!" :hellno:

Well.... I still don't know which "they" you are talking about, but.... nope. Can't think of a SINGLE law that has been broken by ANYONE (other than the one of being here "undocumented.")

You DO realize, don't you, that because of the 14th Amendment (which some want to abolish,) EVEN an illegal here in America is ENTITLED to the 1st Amendment rights of speech and religion.... AS WELL AS.... the 4th, the 5th, and a host of others!

I remember hearing about a time in this country when there WAS a class of "illegal aliens" living in our country in LARGE numbers. They really had NONE of the rights of Americans... or even those "unalienable" ones declared by our D.O.I. ..... and supposedly "endowed" by THEIR creator! They could be used, abused or even killed with total impunity by their "owners."

We fought a WAR over that. And we passed LAWS and Amendments to our Constitution to REMEDY that error. The "emancipation"..... the greatest AMNESTY ever granted by our government! What did we learn?

Now, I KNOW there is a difference here.... you don't have to blab on about that. I'm just trying to provoke some thought.... and to explain why NO LAWS have been broken other than the immigration law.

Hobo, your ideas are truly useless. No wonder this once GREAT country is in the mess it is in. Well all of that is now starting to change.(I hope). Stop and look at what you wrote. For Gods' sake, you really can't believe what you just wrote. You sir are so far gone you are beyond help.

I SAID I was trying to provoke some thought.

I said I was trying to explain "logically" why no law was broken (let alone a RICO law.)

Are you trying to tell me that you can't see a relationship between the 14th Amendment and the people it addressed and the CURRENT situation and those who want to change/abolish the 14th???

And you call ME "blinded?"

I don't know what the 14th amendment has to do with what I was referring. These people are not citizens, but illegal aliens. We don't know if these people are spies, terrorists, insurgents or honest hardworking people. In any case, they are in this country illegally. They should have no rights since they did not enter this country by following the law. The bill of rights and constitution is for the citizens of this country. They should be rounded up and thrown in prison until we can find out about their history and then deport them. Perhaps we should send them to Guantanamo until we sort it all out. We could even consider using these illegals to repair roads and do other non paying jobs as punishment for their illegal activity. Whether you consider them as law abiding or not, they did break our laws by entering this country without proper documentation. We might as well just annex Mexico and be done with it. These people come here and reap the benefits of citizenship without any of the obligations or responsibilities. They don't even pay taxes. At least if we annexed Mexico we could tax them. If we don't annex them they may just annex the U.S.

Hobo you are going to hate my plan to Stop Illegal Immigration. Called load them up into C-130's C-5's and C'17's Anchor Kids and ALL. Then fly them back over their country of Origin and then Shove them out of the Back of the Aircraft at 10K feet WITH NO PARACHUTE. Then Broadcast over their Nations Radio and TV Networks that This is how all Illegals will be Returned in the Future. Then offer all Illegals Currently in the USA 7days to GET THE HELL OUT that we missed or did not have space for in the planes and let them lnow how we returned the ones that went by plane. Then proceed to dig a Ditch on the US side 15 feet Deep and line it with Claymores and remote controlled 50 cals and 20MM's to stop anyone from crossing the border. Then if they get past that they will find a Division of troops under orders any people croosing the border from the south that refuse to stop and show papers are Invaders and therefore your free to FIRE FIRST ask later for forgiveness. I would declare have the first 20 miles of the US decalred a Free Fire zone and let the Army and Marines into it along the Mexican border.

DOES THIS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

Politics Is it Legal? Soros, Tides & Unions Use Illegals to Campaign for Dems

• As Jonathan noted this morning, the Associated Press has uncovered how one group in Washington state is recruiting illegal immigrants to campaign door-to-door for Democratic candidates facing upsets in midterm election races on Nov. 2:

Not only can individuals living in America illegally not vote, they’re also prohibited from contributing money to political campaigns. I’m not an expert in election law, but I do remember how then-Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign was forced to return a $265 donation from Zeituni Onyango, his aunt who had been living in the United States illegally for years. In a grey area of the law, shouldn’t volunteering time and talent also be considered a kind of “contribution” or “donation” to a campaign?
OneAmerica may skirt around these election laws because they are not an official arm of any one candidate’s campaign. However, as a 501(c)(3) organization, the Internal Revenue Service says they are prohibited from participating in political campaigns:A group like OneAmerica might get around these rules by conducting certain non-partisan “voter education activities,” however, according to the Associated Press, the group is “trying to get naturalized citizens to cast a ballot for candidates like Democratic Sen. Patty Murray, who is in a neck-to-neck race with Republican Dino Rossi.”I’m all for everyone (all legally eligible citizens, that is) voting and contributing, but where do we draw the line? On Nov. 2, voters in two American cities will vote whether to allow non-citizens to vote in certain elections. In Portland, Maine, a ballot proposal could allow legal immigrants who have not yet obtained citizenship to vote in municipal elections. Likewise in San Francisco, a proposition would allow all parents of public school students to vote in school elections, regardless of legal status.
In the case of OneAmerica, Stanley Renshon of the Center for Immigration Studies observes:Finally, I feel compelled to point out liberals’ incredible hypocrisy here.
According to their annual reports, Jayapal’s OneAmerica (formerly Hate Free Zone) receives funding from a number of liberal individuals and interest groups, including George Soros’ Open Society Institute, Planned Parenthood, SEIU, the Tides Foundation and a number of various union organizations.
While Democratic Party officials — including President Barack Obama — are out on the stump complaining about conservative groups who allegedly accept funds from foreign groups and labeling them a “threat to democracy,” what’s to be said about liberal interest groups using actual people from other countries to push their political agenda?

So Robert what you are saying is that Obama is the only president who has lied?? He is the only president who is unable to deliver on his promises?? He is the only president who has not been able to turn around our country in two years???
Come on man wake up.. It is a thank less job and quite frankly an impossible job, There is not a soul on this planet who could do this job perfectly, NOT ONE!! that is a fact pure and simple.. Praise whomever you like and call out whomever you hate it will not change the fact that our country is lost in a narsisitic lifestyle brought out by greed and hate.. Until we learn to work together this is the life we will live... ALL OF US..... And that my friend is the ugly truth if you open up your eyes you may begin to realize there is no end in sight.... Even if the majority of power changes tides this next election or the one after that. Our country is now at the point were it will take decades to make or see any polarizing change.. We are a moraly lost/corupt country and have been since the beginning of the industrial age the more advance we become as a society the more corrupt we become, it knows no boundries of religion, politics or stance in life. IT JUST IS..... I like to refer to it as Humanity....

This is with all due respect to everyone on this board, the Bull**** bickering has to stop at some point, nothing will get solved or corrected until so..

It IS What It Is..


Timberwolf