Goodbye America
 

So now that we have a government that will soon tell us when we can go to the restroom, live, die etc.

I just hope that we Texans realize and do something about it before it is too late. Rick Perry gave a pretty good speach, but I think the threat should have been a little bit stronger, like Texas being on its own again..
I am saddened to see the America I love, run by a bunch of power hungry idiots, who take away the rights of the people who had put them in office to begin with.
The Word is comming to past, and right befor the eye's they still deny it. So I guess I will put on my tin hat, and grab my gun and defend my right and family, when it is time. Tyranny in the making and a paved road for the Anti-Christ. And in the making Anyone who thinks diffrently from our new government and president are considered terrorist.
I see a civil war comming, but then again we Lazy people will just sit by and take it I am sure..

Here are 3 links One of Texas Governer calling out the Fedral Government. Then the document of the same thing; the next and last is just one of my update post on the same subject..



Office of the Governor Rick Perry - Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment

81(R) HCR 50 - Introduced version - Bill Text


Prophecy News Watch - Biblical Prophecy in the News


Homeland Security on guard for 'right-wing extremists' - but just who are 'right-wing extremists'?

A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats.

The report, titled "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," dated April 7, states that "threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts."

However, the document, first reported by talk-radio host and WND columnist Roger Hedgecock, goes on to suggest worsening economic woes, potential new legislative restrictions on firearms and "the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

The report from DHS' Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines right-wing extremism in the U.S. as "divided into those groups, movements and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups) and those that are mainly anti-government, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

"The consequences of a prolonged economic downturn – including real estate foreclosures, unemployment and an inability to obtain credit – could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past," the report says.

It adds that "growth in these groups subsided in reaction to increased government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and disrupted plots, improvements in the economy and the continued U.S. standing as the pre-eminent world power."

"Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of right-wing extremist groups as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government," the report continues. "The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement."

Most notable is the report's focus on the impact of returning war veterans.

"Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists," it says. "DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities."

The report cites the April 4 shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh as an example of what may be coming, claiming the alleged gunman holds a racist ideology and believes in anti-government conspiracy theories about gun confiscations, citizen detention camps and "a Jewish-controlled 'one-world government.'"

It also suggests the election of an African-American president and the prospect of his policy changes "are proving to be a driving force for right-wing extremist recruitment and radicalization."

The report also mentions "'end times' prophecies could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons. These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist individuals and groups in the past, such as the violent Christian Identity organizations and extremist members of the militia movement."

"DHS/I&A assesses that right-wing extremist groups' frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence," the report continues.

The report states the DHS will be working with state and local partners over the next several months to determine the levels of right-wing extremist activity in the U.S.

Last month, the chief of the Missouri highway patrol blasted a report issued by the Missouri Information Analysis Center that linked conservative groups to domestic terrorism, assuring that such reports no longer will be issued. The report had been compiled with the assistance of DHS.

The report warned law enforcement agencies to watch for suspicious individuals who may have bumper stickers for third-party political candidates such as Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin.

It further warned law enforcement to watch out for individuals with "radical" ideologies based on Christian views, such as opposing illegal immigration, abortion and federal taxes.

Chief James Keathley of the Missouri State Patrol issued a statement that the release of the report, which outraged conservatives nationwide, prompted him to "take a hard look" at the procedures through which the report was released by the MIAC.

"My review of the procedures used by the MIAC in the three years since its inception indicates that the mechanism in place for oversight of reports needs improvement," he wrote. "Until two weeks ago, the process for release of reports from the MIAC to law enforcement officers around the state required no review by leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol or the Department of Public Safety."

"For that reason, I have ordered the MIAC to permanently cease distribution of the militia report," he said. "Further, I am creating a new process for oversight of reports drafted by the MIAC that will require leaders of the Missouri State Highway Patrol and the Department of Public Safety to review the content of these reports before they are shared with law enforcement. My office will also undertake a review of the origin of the report by MIAC."

"So now that we have a government that will soon tell us when we can go to the restroom, live, die etc."

WTH?

"America . . . run by a power-hungry bunch of idiots."

Come on, now. Get a grip. That's not news.

Your post has been forwarded to the the Obama PC Police, please stand by and a reducation camp van will pick you up shortly. Thank you for your cooperation.

Is it the end of the world again?

I can't keep up with all these doomsdays.

The sky is falling oh me oh my, we are all gonna die.

yuck it up, but if you're not concerned with the state of this nation, you must be blind or stupid.

I wont ask to what catagory you're in.

I think all of us are concerned about "the state of this nation." But not sharing the OP's views--or yours--doesn't mean people are blind or stupid.

I did not quote anyone, but the text was a document put out by our president and the director of homeland security.
You should be worried about the clowns running this great nation into the crapper.
So don't be so quick to shrug it off as some conspiracy nut job ramblings.

I have plenty of history to back up my thought's, don't think it could'nt happen here.

If anyone wants to see some scary parallels take a look at post World War 1 Germany and the US today. What I am talking about is the economic, social and political climates and what was done about it.

No doubt about it, the world is a crazy place. Always has been, always will be.

But what I find fascinating is individuals who can't even control their own lives, shape the things that are within their control, yet believe that by expressing some view of world events gives them power to change them. As in "I know what is going to happen and I will be ready. And you can be ready too, if you jump on my wagon"

Yeah right!

You know, being raised as a Christian, as well as having strong training and background in the knowledge of end time events, in the past I never really could grasp how our country could turn into what is prophesied, yet now I am actually seeing it take place and unfold right into it.

On the surface we are a democracy, but in reality this country is more 'nazi' then anything! Everyday the government sticks its hands into the soup and controls who gets it and how much they get and when they can get it, and when they cant. In other words, we are losing more rights by the hour!

If Texas ever does separate and and run under its sovereignty, you bet I will officially relocate there!

You thought the 60s where bad, wait and see what the next 8 years will be... (Yes I am 100% sure Obama will stay in office for 2 terms)

I would not be surprised if Obama and the chickencrats didn't declare martial law. That would suspend elections and assure the stranglehold these people have on our government. They could impose curfews and restrict travel. It seems that these people are in fear of the people. That is the real reason they want to disarm this country. They are using a back door approach to disarm us by restricting purchases of ammunition. This could push some to start attacking the government which is what they fear. I think there are enough people of character who would stand up to the government. Just look at how many people protested at these tea parties. This was a peaceful protest that was radicalized by the far left media such as CNN and the main stream media. The more control they try to exercise the more people will resist. There will be some who will go along thinking that they don't have a choice or the power to influence events. Others could become more radical. Some of us remember what freedom is about and what it is like to be free. Events of the end times are coming together at an alarming pace. The world economy could be the means of putting forth the anti Christ. I expect a global conflict to be possible. That is what has happened in the past. And history repeats itself.

There will be 'radicals' that will fight back, which the government will label as terrorists, and squash them out. Ultimately the government will win, America will slowly dissolve. By the end of his term the Military will have been widdled down to almost nothing, the people will have very little access to weapons, with very strict regulations on what they can have. The economy I do believe however will level out, and I think we will see a rise in domestic production. But I do not think it will ever get back to what it was. You will see tighter and tighter regulations throughout, making travel much harder between states, alongside tighter vehicle emissions requirements solely to control the movement of the people. With the lack of military, and still predominately import market, we will not be any sort of major world power, we will be controlled by the outside markets and in no position to defend ourselves against any major attacks.

I think you are right, the Anti-Christ is going to come from the economy, not the political scene. And he is most certainly not going to come from America, the bible says he will be from the middle east area.

The bible says nothing about America in end time prophesies, why you may wonder, because simply we will not be a major power, we will have no control over anything, we will just be along for the ride to whatever the rest of the world is doing.

But it won't end just there. I think it will really end in nuclear encounter. I say this for a few reasons. One, the bible says 2/3's of the world population will be wiped out by wormwood poisoning the water, well wormwood translates into radation! Only thing we as humans have that is capable of killing 2/3's of the population of the world is nuclear weapons, and it won't be instant death of 2/3rds by the blasts, it will be mainly from radation contamination over a time period. With no military our last ditch effort to defend ourselves will be what nukes we have left, more then likely in a retaliatory strike, I do not see us being first strikers with nukes.

Sorry if that sounds radical and armageddonish, but that is exactly what it is! After the aftermath of a major nuclear war in the world, there really won't be much of anyone that is a super power. That is why the anti-christ comes along, to unite who is left into a single governing body, not because those countries will want to be, but because it will be needed to try to let the world survive and go on.

What Obama is doing to try to remove the possability of Radial Action against the government, is exactly the first steps to help layout a government plan to subdue factions such as strong christians from preparing for end times. I know a LOT of churches that actually have underground bomb bunkers, a lot where built in the 50s, but I know one church that just recently built one! And most of those churches do keep them stocked with food and medical supplies.

Just a few years ago I just couldn't see how the end times would unfold into what the bible says it will be, but now I can clearly see it.

I am not sure whether the final conflict will come from a nuclear war or a falling comet. The end result will be basically the same. I think either is possible based upon the prophesies. I agree that the Antichrist will come from the middle east. If it is true that Obama is from that part of the world then there could be a connection. The U.S. is being reduced to a third world country. Obama and the democrats seem to be determined to gut our military. That could be from fear of them turning against an oppressive government. The military has access to weapons and the knowledge of how to use them. I am not sure if the military would support the government or the people if there was an uprising. So many people have become complacent in this country. It is refreshing that so many turned out or participated in the tea party. At least there were some who decided to get involved. This administration seems to be obsessed with gaining control over the people. Camera's have gone up across our land. You will find them on interstates and city streets. Our elected representatives have failed to do the job they were elected to do. They have sold their souls and our country for a few pieces of silver and the chance to hold onto their power. The thing about power is that it can be fleeting. Obama has already stated that this is a country of citizens not Christians. That makes his position pretty clear to me. You can say anything you want about Christians but mention Muslims in the same vain and you could be attacked using "hate crime" legislation. Every society in recent history that has wanted to control the people has started by getting weapons out of the hands of the citizenry.

The Machines will take over..

I see a Terminator 5,6,7,8,9,10, coming about.

It the end of the world as we know it.......

So lets just get drunk and screw...

It is what it is....

Timberwolf

Slimland said:

The referernce to bowel movements is certainly superlative and irrational. But, as for LIVING and DYING.... it was the BUSH administration (and the Republican/Christian congress,) that tried to make that Shiavo womam live perpetually on life support even AGAINST her express wishes to her husband not to do so! The FEDERAL government (under BUSH) even superceded State's Rights to enforce their "SANCTITY OF LIFE" mandate! It is THEIR "policies" that have put unsurvivable infants on life support, terminally ill patients on life support, and withheld UNWANTED embryos from serving the scientific good for finding cures for what DOES kill LIVING human beings!

Oklahoma did the same thing about a year ago! Perry's speech was purely a political "ad" aimed at restoring the flagging "BASE" of Republicons.

Maybe, my "history" is weak, but.... as I recall, Texas was NEVER really "on it's own." MANY nonTexan Americans died to SAVE and REDEEM it from MEXICO.... who owned it. :roll3:

How would you like it TODAY, if you made $1 an hour for your labor there?

You mean like BUSH and CHENEY?? I used to WORK for the NSA! When I was there, it was absolutely forbidden to "boresight" our satellites (i.e: target America) for intelligence gathering. We had to get a SPECIAL congressional exemption even to MONITOR the tests of the Patriot Missile System being tested in California. [which BTW...failed most of the time.]

ALL of this changed after 9/11.... and the advent of the Bush/Cheney "warfooting" doctrine. You are blaming Obama for policies that BUSH put into effect!

If you are talking about the Obama administration, PLEASE cite some specific examples of human/civil rights abrogations that were not already sanctioned under the Bush administration.... or STFU!!!

So, I guess we can't count on you to be RATIONAL if, and when, a challenge comes. You won't know the difference between AMERRICAN troops... your OWN National Guard.... and forces from the "terrorists?"

TOTAL bullchit!! Have you READ Sec. Napolitano's remarks on the subject? NO... I don't THINK SO! You are basing your inflammatory remarks on what you heard from FOXnews and/or Glenn Beck's paranoid ramblings!

It matters NOT what you "lazy" but imaginative Right Wing Paranoids do! The American Military will serve the Constitution and the CIC! Just as with the "war of the South," you would LOSE! The most powerful military in the HISTORY of the world will not lose to a bunch of radicals with assault weapons! Your only.... and I do mean ONLY.... hope is for a Military Coup! And that WILL NOT HAPPEN in America!

I read your links. All of them. Every word of them. I am not impressed! NOR am I alarmed about the state of the "Union."

What you (an many others) don't seem to realize is... these "assessments" were ordered under the BUSH Administration. They take YEARS to come up with this stuff. What YOU are hearing NOW, is representative of the public's opinon (and that of intelligence agencies) under the LAST administration! Yet, you want to blame it ALL on Obama.

I try my best, Slimland, to not hold you accountable for the hysteria that many here show concerning the "NEW" administration. But, you have clearly aligned yourself WITH them, and that puts us on opposite sides.

I don't like EVERYTHING he is doing! But, I understand his rationale. And I GUARANTEE you it is NOT "anti-American." The talk of stockpiling guns and ammunition, and "rebelling" against the government, and Bullchit about the "endtimes" as relates to THIS administration, are NOTHING but "indoctrination" from the right wing media.... designed to appeal to their BASE, in an attempt to regain power of the government for the good of the UPPER CLASS!

I...personally...have ONE AGENDA. That is to restore the rights and "standing" of the Middle Class of America! I believe STRONGLY that this is the only "base" that matters. I believe that it DRIVES our national productivity (GDP/GNP) and therefore our standing throughout the World.

Unlike my Republicon friends... I do NOT wish to IMPOSE my personal or religious beliefs on the citizens of America. You can KILL yourself anytime you WISH! My "personal" beliefs about the sanctity or beginning of life have absolutely NO BEARING on my beliefs that, as an American, you are free to make you own choices!

IF there IS such a thing as a GOD... he has given us that FREE WILL! He "alone" will be the judge. What gives YOU, or any government, the right to dictate "LIFE" issues???

I abhor gay relationships! But, I will take up arms if necessary to DEFEND their AMERICAN rights to freedom of CHOICE! And, I certainly agree that they should have EQUAL PROTECTION under the law... 14th Ammendment!

Likewise, I have no REAL stomach for seeing good American troops die to IMPOSE our "imperialistic" desires for a World Democracy" on countries that don't understand or WANT such a form of government. Democracy is good... no doubt. But, that was OUR choice! And we have NO RIGHT to impose it upon OTHERS! We did not even press it upon England after winning our freedom!

It absolutely ASTOUNDS and confuses me that, a nation borne of dissent from English control... which is to say... the CHURCH of England... and founded upon religious FREEDOM, and the absolute RIGHT of each citizen to be FREE from religious doctrines and RULES... would even CONSIDER any law that would IMPOSE a religious belief on its people!

The Obama administration is CLEARLY against such type of contrrol. For ME.... that is a good start. That is in line with the Constitutional edict of a "separation of church and state."

If Rick Perry, and the MAJORITY of Texans want to use the 10th Ammendment to say that they have a right to pass laws concerning "right to life" issues.... I have no problem with that. If that goes against Federal guidelines, and they must give up federal funds, I have NO PROBLEM! Just SEE if you can pass a huge TAX on your constituents to pay for your "values!" And make SURE that the tax is EQUAL on both the rich and the poor! And make sure it is not unconstituional, as the Supreme Court has decided.

Beyond that... I couldn't care LESS what Texas does!

If y'all choose to seceed? That should reduce my tax burden, as I won't have to give FEDERAL FEMA funds to rebuild your sorry asses on the coast after each and EVERY hurricane that comes through! Get your help from MEXICO! ..... IF you can! :hellno:

Hasta la vista mi amigo! I hope you ENJOY your life under control of the drug cartels!

Hobo

I don't see anywhere where it was stated that anyone is trying to impose religious doctrine on anyone. But I do agree Hobo, that in the end the federal government will win anyway, and the US Military will stay sided with the government. But remember, this country was founded BY the People FOR the People, the federal government was formed solely to maintain the state of the union, but now it is a complete 180, the federal government now dictates and controls the union, and the people! That is no longer democracy! Hell I couldn't even begin to tell you what it is anymore! It is like a quasi-socialist/feudalist/partially democratic system.

The balance of power is no longer in the hands of the people, I don't care what anyone says. The Federal Government has grown entirely too large, and has been allowed to gain too much power.

Quite honestly if a governing body attempted to come at me and tell me to cease and desist in doing something the constitution declares me rights to do, I will refuse, and if they try to use force on me to comply, I will use force back, no matter what the consequence to myself. I would rather die defending my rights then to give in. Sounds extreme right now, but you wait and see what will come in the coming years.

Texas was a republic (country) from 1836 to 1846 when it was annexed into the United States as the State of Texas. During that time the republic had 4 presidents including one interim president and another that served two terms. The office was similar to that of president of the United States. There was an interim president for a few months, but the first elected president was Sam Houston who ironically was a congressman and governor of Tennessee before moving west to fight for Texas independence. Sam Houston is the president who served two terms. Who knows, had Santa Ana not sent in federal troops to Texas there might never have been a Republic of Texas.

When this country was originally established it was with a weak federal or centralized government. Our forefathers didn't want to have an imperialistic government. That is one reason they left England. Giving power from the states to the federal government started around the time the American Civil War ended. Today, the centralized government uses federal money to gain control. They collect money from the citizens through income and other taxes and distribute them according to how well the states comply with federal mandates. This government would likely function much better if states took their power back.

Funny thing about taxes too is that legally most of us aren't even in the taxable bracket! But the IRS would have you believe different.

According to some things that I have read, the 16th amendment, which provides for a federal income tax, was not legally ratified. Thus, it is not legally an amendment to the constitution. I have no idea if that is true or not. But then when has little things such as legalities been of concern to the government? :mad:

Seems to me, there are a whole lot of us "veterans" that have already returned in the past. We've ALL got those combat skills. But we don't pose a threat?????:moon:

This kind of content sounds like a report from one of the extremist groups themselves.

At least someone has just a little common sense.:bow:

What I've read sounds more like propaganda to incite a civil war than a way to insure the safety and integrety of our country. There are already enough people that go off half cocked for less reason than that. They're going to have a whole lot of people that have known each other for many years, looking at each other with suspicious eyes.

And, having extremist groups recruit veterans is nothing new. They were doing that 40 years ago. One of them, up in Idaho, was lead by the one man with the most medals ever to come out of the Viet Nam War. But, they have their mountain top, and don't bother anyone. You don't even hear about them. (Actually, I think the Feds are afraid to do anything about them because of the information that might be made public if they did.)

The fact that the DHS put this out is more scary than the extremist groups themselves.:eek1:

I agree, these are the types of reports that SHOULD stay classified to prevent issues!

Okay, you want to secede. You'll have to pay the rest of us back for a lot of your infrastructure--highways, military bases, hospitals (do you think we're just going to give them to you?), and all manner of things paid for by those of us in the other 49. How will you pay? Your credit won't be any good. Where are you going to get the cash?

Why not just quit the Union altogether and leave? Anywhere you go you'll find--gulp!--taxes and government. Right now, there's just one place where you run to and forget about taxes and government. It's called Somalia, which may well be Swahili for "This place really sucks." (Hell, if you set up your own state you'll need organizations that benefit your people and you'll have to pay for them. You'll still be looking at taxes and government.)

Personally, I'm glad I'm able to pay taxes and I don't think government's "too big," and I don't mind helping those less fortunate than I am. No, it's not perfect, but secession won't fix that. Want highways? Government. Want to fight wars half-way around the world? Government. Want health and medical research? Sanitary sewer systems? Safe water? Police and fire departments? Government. Government. Government. If your real beef is that there's a black Democrat in the White House and you didn't vote for him and you're ticked off about that, then come right out with it. Did you folks squawk about "big government" when Bush sat in the Oval Office?

Think about what happened here the last time big guys convinced little guys they should secede--one American civil war was enough. Think about the former Yugoslavia and ethnic cleansing and Serbs and Croats and brothers and former neighbors at each other's throats. Think about the economic dislocation that followed their self-indulgent little spat.

I freakin' hate politics, but this unpatriotic self-righteous bully-boy talk about breaking up our country really ticks me off. We've got it better than anyone else on the planet. Quit bitching. Or catch the next freighter to Somalia.

Now....AC120....Your not on the FOXNews band-wagon! Why is that?

Here we go, if you disagree with this president you must be racist, what a dopey liberal talking point.

Bush was the clown that started us down this path to socialism and Obama is following in his foot steps, just how much is to much for taxas ?

If you want to piss your hard earned money away on big government, go the F ahead, but don't dismiss people as being racist because they want better government and fiscally responsible one at that.

I feel that I need to explain a few facts about Texas, AC120. Texas is one of the few states that could pretty much be self sufficient. Texas grows much of the food for themselves and the nation. They do that in the valley down near the border. They also raise a lot of beef in Texas. I don't think you need to worry about them going hungry. However, you may want to be concerned about where you are going to get some of your food in parts of the rest of the country. Texas doesn't need to worry about taking a lot of money from he federal government. You see, they have a very large oil industry in Texas. Exxon, Mobil and a few other of the largest oil corporations in the world are headquartered in Texas. In fact, they have a rather large export business in Texas. They are also the home to two of the largest computer companies in the world, Dell, HP/Compaq. They also have some of the finest medical facilities in the world. MD Anderson and Baylor are world renown. And since you mentioned the military, Texas is a major developer and producer of military hardware in the world. Bell Helicopter is a major defense contractor in Texas. They developed the Osprey, which is a vertical takeoff aircraft that is being utilized in our military. They also have a number of helicopters used in the military and private sectors that are built in the Lone Star state. I don't think you need to worry about whether Texas can pay the bills. I think the U.S. would miss Texas more than Texas would miss the U.S. I don't think that Texas would secede from the union, but if they did decide to do that then they could get along pretty well by themselves.

And you need to understand how infrastructures are funded. The states and feds collect money from fuel taxes and other taxes and send them to Washington DC. For every 3 dollars Washington takes from the people they send back about 1 dollar to take care of infrastructure. They keep a small handling fee for themselves. The distribution of highway funds benefits the smaller states and those that have smaller populations such as Wyoming or the Dakota's.

We need government. We don't need the amount of government we have. It is way too big. I would hate to see Texas or any other states secede from the union. It may take that to wake up those is Washington. It would be much better to stop this insane spending and start cutting the size of this out of control government.

Thank you GMAN. Call me a troll, but I like it when other folks appreciate, or compliment Texas.
Texas leads the nation in beef. Texas also has more crude oil in one county than the whole world combined. :p (I made that up) Texas also leads the nation in cotton. Bunch of women, too. :p :lol:

I would hate to see anyone secede from the Union. I would hate to see another Civil War.

Anyplace that offers lots of beef and women is ok with me!

well lets see, I didn't vote for him so I guess that makes me a racist.
I belong to the NRA that makes me a right wing extremist
I'm a vet ................" "
I believe in the constitution,

HMMM I wonder if there watching me yet!!

I would hate to see any state secede or another civil war either. But people are becoming scared of the government. They feel frustrated, powerless and scared. People feel that our elected representatives are not representing their interests but are pushing for an agenda that is contrary to the U.S. Constitution and our way of life. People will only be pushed so far before they react. Hopefully, they will use the power of the vote and civil protests rather than armed conflict.

I have strong family ties to Texas, Jackrabbit. Texans have always had a certain attitude about them. Some people take that as arrogance. Personally, I think it is more an attitude of confidence and a "can do" attitude. They will do whatever it takes to get the job done. Texans are proud of their heritage and their state. After all, Texas is
"a whole other country." ;)

I agree. It is getting scary.

Without picking apart everything you said and assumed. Which I can understand since I made my thoughts basic. Let me clarify myself a little..

I do not blame Obamma, he is just the icing on the cake.
I blame all the damn liers that have been in office and that are in now. Hobo our freedome's are being taken away, that is plain and simple. The government is too big and now it seems it own entity.
It affects everyone, Not just Christians, and what you call right wingest. But everyone.

No one has the right to tell me in this free country, what I can have or not. If I want a gun of ANY kind that is my freedom and right as a human being. It is those who want power over someone else or some one who cannot abide by the simple civil laws that abide within us. that should be watched out for.
But we see upstanding citizens rights being taken away, while those who heed to no law getting what they need to press there desire's and acts upon the now undefended citizens.
That is just an example, even if it is a poor one it is a fact!

I am not as eloquent as you in this area of discussion, but I am simple. And simple put we where free and now the big government is telling us, how we are going to live.
They come into our homes and take away the right to raise our children the way we the parents seem fit. No matter what there belief.

To me it is not about a religious belief, it is simply about freedom.

I do not want a civil war, I do not want Texas to leave the union.
I want the government to stay out of our busness, and do what it was created to do and that is it.
Each state should govern themselves, that is the way it is supposed to be. Just like a Mom and Dad are supposed to raise there children.

If a Christian, Wiccan, Buddist etc. wants to preach on a street corner. That is there freedom of speach.

You sit there, just because of what I believe by Faith. and assume that I want to press my religion upon others.
You are wrong, and of all the talk's we have had I figured you would know that..
I do not care what someone believs, I just like talking and discussing them.
I do not tell them they are wrong or they are going to hell etc.. Becuase what they believe is no diffrent than what I do, and they have that freedom to believe in what they want or not believe either way..

Out discussions where based around the subjects and our boundries where set. We stayed in those boundries, otherwise it would have been to confusing.

but back to the topic!

It is simple A better America, is a Free America. Based upon the few simple Laws for peace and to keep people from being ruled by another. And those who cannot abide, dont need to be here. But instead they become Criminals or Government.
The criminal comes into our homes and Steal, kills, and Destroyes. We have that right to protect what we have even if it requires deadly force.
Government that is in the hands of power hungry people like the one that has grown over all these years, are now telling us, How to eat, how to raise our kids, they are getting to the point that they will be telling us that we cant smoke tobacco, drink etc..
They have no right.
Yes they can put some rules around it in public, but the owner of the house that is his busness not the governments, it is his body etc.

So you go ahead and support you dream of big government. Not me I am going to support Freedom.

Slimland

Ha ha! Foxnews? Not me, bro. :D :D I'm just breaking balls. :D :D

Iam still wondering about "America . . . run by a power-hungry bunch of idiots."I thought America has ALWAYS been run by a bunch of power-hungry idiots I mean the only person that wants to BE president is a self absorbed egotist " look at me look at who I am " and all that anyone wanting to actually do good goes and finds a job that is not in the spotlight where they can actually do good

getta.f'---in grip...."no not me bro"... i hate hearing both sides

bring on CNN......:hellno::hellno::bow::bow::bow:.......... ......:block:

Sorry but I disagree with you. Many people attempt to run for president, even good ones, however unless you get the approval by one of the two major parties and they back you up, you have zero chance.

ROFL! CNN is the most bias network out there, they shouldn't even be allowed to be called a news network, should rename themselves to PDN, Pro-Democrat Network, or LWN Left Wing Network ;)

agreed.........:thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Or Loony News Network. :lol: