Q: If God gives freewill, then why is one subject to damnation when using that freewill to Not believe?

A: God gave the free will in HOPES we would choose HIM, if we do not choose Him then we chose the damnation. It is against the law to kill someone, but I have free will. As long as I don't kill anyone I have my freedom in this country, but if I kill someone I go to jail, and loose my freedom!

Q: Not only that but lets say one who believes, but practices that wich in the eye's of the written word, as most understand it, that goes against that word. How do they inherit that same kingdom?

A: It is called the struggle with sin, I could quote all kinds of bible passages on this, but put plain and simply, Christians daily sin, but it is not a matter of sinning or not, it is a matter of looking for forgiveness for them and truly trying to change so you don't do them again. No one is perfect! But it is in the honest pursuit of trying not to sin that one is able to obtain the kingdom. Christians constantly pray and ask for forgiveness, but the prayer means nothing if in your heart you don't truly WANT to change and stop doing the sins you do.

Q: If it is Love uncoditionaly, than why conditions, like believe or else?

A: His love is unconditional, BUT if you choose to do things against Him, then you choose to take yourself OUT of his love. Think of it this way, if as a child you did something wrong, your parents will punish you, they still love you, and they are attempting to correct you so that you will learn and NOT do those things again. God does the same thing to us. God never gives up on us however, and until the day we die he will always try to steer us in the right path.

God does not want anyone to go to hell, it is His hopes that all would be saved, but he knew that given free will people would not choose him.

I want to clarify something here as well, I do not consider myself a very good Christian at all, I do a lot of things that are against His will daily, and that is often by my own choice and free will. I wish I didn't but I do! And in reality seeing how the world is going I feel like I really should work on that. Like I said many posts before this, I was a Christian Counselor for nearly 5 years, I spent that entire time studying the Word, God gave me a gift to be able to understand it, beyond that of most. And when I say 5 years studying I don't mean reading a few passages everyday, I am talking about hours and hours a day, and not just studying the bible as everyone commonly see's it, I am talking about studying the original Hebrew OT and Greek NT, in their original languages, the copies that have existed unchanged for thousands of years! I learned Ancient Greek and a little bit of Ancient Hebrew specifically for the purpose of study. People love to say the Bible has gone thousands of years by word of mouth, and been changed/added to/taken from over that period of time. No it hasn't. The entire NT is completely unchanged since it was written between 0060 and about 0170AD, how do we know this? Because we have the originals dated to between those time periods! Same thing goes with the OT! We do not have all of the original OT, but we do have copies that have the majority of it some of it dating back to 1000bc! Also unchanged from todays copy that you can buy in any book store.

However I will tell you this, much is lost in the translation to english. Greek alone is a much more articulated language then english, the english NT has a vocabulary of about 5000 words, whereis the Greek NT has about 15,000 words in its vocabulary. The reason being that a lot of greek words translate to the same english word, and in english we derive the meaning from its context in its sentence, whereis in greek if a word has a different meaning, it has its own word!

Some interesting facts about the bible and modern mis-conceptions:

A lot of Christians consider women inferior because most english translations constantly refer to MAN, this was done on purpose by the translators of the King James, because at the time women where considered inferior, most references in the bible to man, actually are refering to mankind, not to the male man!

God in most cases is not gendered in the original languages, actually the words most often used for God are transgendered, meaning to be both masculine and feminen! However Jesus himself was male.

The bible does not contradict itself in any fashion! In the english translation it appears there are contradictions, however that is because of how it was translated, in the original languages those contradictions don't exist!

You can believe what ever you want. It is up to you. I don't try to convert people! I only present the facts that I know and let you decide. There is such a stigma about Christianity in the world today, that it is all about money, or secretly molest children (Thanks to the Catholic Church), or try to condemn people with fire and brimstone (Thanks southern baptists!), and unfortuntely some have used these tactics, to try to profit or benifit from Christianity. But I know a lot of GOOD churches that are not like that. Ran by really good people that will DO ANYTHING they can for anyone. Yeah they pass around a collection plate, but that money is used for good, it is not used to buy a lexus for the preacher like some churches.

This is why I say maybe only a small percentage of those who claim to be a Christian really are! Something like 75% of the world claims to be Christian, I would venture to say maybe only 15% are! Most just follow 'religion', following a set of rules of dos and don'ts they cannot follow, will break, and will stumble. Because it is not about rules, it is about love, plain and simple.

If proof is all you seek, you will never find it. It is about faith, if you do not have any faith then you will never see your proof.

I have for one have seen things that are physically impossible!

As a matter of fact, one of the leaders at the mission I was a part of, had aids when I first came there. I saw the paperwork from the doctors proving it. She was told by God that her disease was taken away one day during a prayer session, and she was told to go to the doctors to get tested again. She went to 5 different doctors that use 5 different labs, every HIV/AIDS test came back negative, one of those labs was the same labs that tested her positive. I have seen quite a few that where tested positive for Hep C, and healed of it and tested negative later on. Being that it was a mission mainly for drug and alcohol abusers, I have seen many addicted strongly to opiates come in, and never go through a withdraw symptom, actually something like 98% of those addicted to opiates never had a withdraw! The other %2 generally had mild withdraw symptoms, and I can only recall 2 that actually went through full blown withdraws. Take someone banging huge quantities of heroin for years and take them off it cold, and see how fast they go through withdraws!

Same thing for true alcoholics, people that where so bad they would drink Listerine to get drunk! Come in and never get DT's.

Since it was a mission, everything was faith based, we did not charge for our services, so we had to rely on donations to survive. I remember one day a group of us decided to pray for strawberry milk and orange juice, a silly thing, but we had never gotten strawberry milk in before, and rarely got Orange Juice. 5 minutes after a group of us prayed for Strawberry Milk and Orange Juice, a box truck with FILLED with strawberry milk and OJ came in to donate it all to us! I get goose bumps to this day thinking about that one.

I myself was delivered from smoking at one point in time. At the time I was smoking 2 to 3 packs a day. I will never forget that night. There was a preacher who came in that night, who did healing services, actually I was pretty pissed off that night because of something the staff told me I wasn't allowed to do. But at either rate as the service went on, I was sitting there not really into the service just because I was pissed off. But then God asked me, "Do you want to quit smoking?" I said yes I do, he asked me again, "Are you sure you want to quit smoking?" I said yes without hesitation. He told me to Stand up, and I did, the preacher came over near instantly and touched me on my head, I felt like I was brought to another world! I felt like I was filled with electricity and would explode with energy, it was the most amazing feeling! I didn't smoke a cigarette for 2 years from that point on! It is my own stupidity for starting to smoke again, but that is another story.

So if you want proof, I nor anyone else can give it to you, you must have faith for the proof to present itself to you.

[quote=Syncrosonix;446327]The evil ways that place a lightening bolt upon your trailer......the Swift retribution of a Ms Carrier YEAya:bow::bow::bow:

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i no longer drive for swift. {=o)

[quote=Syncrosonix;446420]and when did THAT happen?
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[QUOTE=Phantom433a;446422]a few weeks ago. left to go back to school and had a job lined up. got boned on that deal, and now searching for a jobby job. otr trucking will be a last freakin' resort.

so that means I can rant and rave about the Swift team that pulled into the rest area at the 116 on 60 just before Wickenburg that not only hit the back corner of my trailer, but forced their way on around and then didn't even acknowledge me when I came flying out of the cab in just my shorts?:roll:

Oh man Sync....you better have your green card ready so you can get back into America:lol2:

Ok Matcat, Maybe you didn't understand what I was askin..

Let me see if I can put in diffrent words..

God is everything and created everything, and everything under the heaven's are His.. Then why the fiasco of good vrs sin. and don't tell me cause he don't want robots..

Who can resist His will, No One. example: He hardend pharro's heart. That is not free will. Free Will is to live anyway you wish, withing the confines of the rules of creation.
The way I see it is we as humans put God in a box and say ( he this he is that etc) when in all actuality we know nothing.. Another group in the bible did that in the book of Job.

Now I am playing the so called devils advocate here, so make your answer strong, Cause I will pick it apart!!

Slimland