[QUOTE=marcel27208;446322]
what evil ways? please be specific. i have freewill. one cannot get that from religion. i am bound only by what i cannot do with my own strength, determination, moral code that i was raised with without a bible in place, and any limitations i have simply because i am human. also, you don't need religion to know right from wrong.

Some do need religion. And they are the ones who can't figure out those of us who get through life just fine without religion and get on their soapbox preaching their spoon fed rhetoric.

Ummmmmmmmmm.

Just to clarify.....I feel that the 6 year old girl in Jumbo's original post, is of such intellect, that she negated her parents lack of same, because she was smart enough, and mature enough, to know that being left home alone at her age was wrong, and she called the police for assistance...she didn't sit on her hands and wait for mommy and daddy to grow up.

Being able to reason for herself, at that age, makes her one extraordinary young lady. :clap::clap:

[QUOTE=Syncrosonix;446327] Well Spoken Syncronsonix

Marcel what is your definition of Evil ways?
and who created evil?
According to the bible you read, God created Evil, does that mean God has evil ways. Or are you talking of Sin..and if so is it sin or sins?

around the circle we go again!

Slimland

[quote=Slimland;446344]Most Christians even get caught up on this question but I will answer it for you.

God created evil, not because he has evil ways, but because it is necessary. His plan requires us to have free will, to freely choose Him or not. If evil did not exist, there would be no choice, and no free will.

Sin is defined as 'Going against the will of God'.

There is no circle.

I think too many people get caught up in the 'religious' aspect of religion! I know that sounds odd, but I will explain. 'religion' is a man made thing, it is nothing more then a set of rules, of do's and don'ts. Most often in any religion these rules are based on a moral value, with good intentions, but end up only binding people up and keeping them slaves to rules, and losing focus of what it is really about. In the Old Testimant, God only originally gave 1 rule, that was do not eat the fruit of the tree of knowladge of good and evil, but Adam and Eve had free will, they knew of the rule, so therefor had a choice. Eve decided to go against that rule, and convinced Adam to eat of it. So they both aquired the knowaldge of evil. Eventually God gave only 10 total rules! But the people couldn't even follow that, so he expanded it to 639! That is it, God only gave 639 total rules, but of those 639 ALL of them are followed if you just follow the original 10. The Jewish people took those 639 rules and managed to create thousands and thousands of new ones based on them! Eventually when we get into new testiment times, Jesus came, died for the sins of all mankind, what does this mean? Well it is pretty complicated but I will explain. In Old Testiment times every year at passover a lamb was selected to be sacrificed that would atone for the sins of the Jewish nation. It was nothing more then a mere symbol for what was to come. When Jesus came, he WAS the TRUE lamb, his blood would atone for the sins of all people past, present, and future. That is why the temple was destroyed when he died, because it was no longer NEEDED. While he was on this earth, he gave again only 1 rule, and it to this day is the only rule that stands in John 13 34"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." By this rule if you follow it, you will automatically follow all of the rules ever given before it. If you love your neihbor, you are not going to kill them, steal from them, mess with their wife, etc.

In true Christianity it is not a religion, that passage I quoted above is the ONLY rule that trully exists for the modern Christian! That is why He said He came to fullfill the original laws of the OT!

Well I never expected to be giving the TRUE meaning of Easter on CAD... on Easter Sunday! But haha it just happened to fall in place at the right time eh?

So if you truly want to know WTF is really going on, the answer is LOVE, or lack of it. I don't care what your faith or lack of it is, love is the answer. Lennon had it right, and he was as atheist as you could be. Want to change this world, start having love for your fellow man, ALL of them, the ones you like, and the ones you don't like. Change in this world starts with YOU.

[QUOTE=matcat;446347]
It is a circle when you talk with me, Ask Hobo!

Ok I'll go the opposite.

If God gives freewill, then why is one subject to damnation when using that freewill to Not believe?
Not only that but lets say one who believes, but practices that wich in the eye's of the written word, as most understand it, that goes against that word. How do they inherit that same kingdom?

If it is Love uncoditionaly, than why conditions, like believe or else?

Slimland

Been along time, kinda rusty!

Damnation from whom, you and the others who chose to believe? Got any proof, besides what others have told you or your interpretation of a book written by man?