OMG!! Just OPEN your eye's and your mind. if you can't or won't see it .....

What is wrong with spending money we don't have? That is the American Way of life... :hellno:

O I forgot the other defense of the conservative, claim liberals are stupid if they don't agree with you. Give me a source, just one source or just continue to assume I am an idiot just for having a difference of opinion with you.

Flame away?? You must have the mild-mannered Golfhobo confused with someone ELSE! :lol2:

Let's have a civilized discussion instead. I'll go first.

I DID look it up for you, and I ask that you read ALL 3 pages of the article I'm going to link. I know you have a preconception (which I don't) about the plan, but please keep an open mind and read BOTH the positive and negative analyses of Japan's efforts.

One thing that struck me, is how American economists see the results differently than those who are taxpayers in Japan.

I also want you to consider that Japan is a very small country, and can only "use" so many roads and bridges.... compared to the U.S. where our infrastructure is crumbling and NEEDS to be "replaced" (not augmented.)

Furthermore, I'd like you to single out (for yourself) all the negatives about their plan/actions and see if you don't remember hearing Obama address each and every ONE of them in recent speeches. It seems to me that he and his "team" have carefully digested this report, or the info it was based on, and "learned" from Japan's mistakes.

Lastly, be sure to notice the actual figures given for the amount of growth each aspect of their plan yielded. I'm sure they would have liked them to be higher, but I don't remember reading any NEGATIVE numbers.

I contend that, according to OUR economists, the plan was NOT an "utter failure," but could have been worked better. Also, consider that the percentage of GDP is higher for their smaller economy that it will be for ours.

I don't KNOW if Obama's plan will work. Economics is not my strong suit. But, I remind you once again that tax reductions for the wealthy has NOT worked in the last 8 years. Neither has deficit Military spending. Our current situation is PROOF.

The definition of insanity is continuing the SAME failed policies and expecting different results. The only conclusion I can draw is that Republicans are insane. :lol2:

Also... please remember that Obama didn't KNOW he would be inheriting such a dire situation in our economy when he first decided to run for President. I'm sure SOME of these spending programs were part of his plan to change America, but I'm SURE he had no intention of having to spend such HUGE amounts of money so rapidly. I can't help but believe that if this were just the 2 year mark of Dubya's last term, HE might have had to take such drastic measures as well. I believe his actions with TARP prove that.

So maybe, we should stop putting a roadblock in front of Obama, and get behind him and push! This cart was going to roll down this hill regardless of who steered it. And we are all going along for the ride.

Here's the link... and I hope EVERYONE will take the time to read it.

In Japan, a lonesome bridge offers U.S. a lesson - International Herald Tribune

Your turn. :thumbsup:

That is the problem with the liberals. They hate facts and the truth! Like someone said they moaned and complained when Bush spent over $1 trillion on 8 years. The dems spent that and then some in a month! The dems/liberals are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites and cry when things don't go their way!

Double L cried:

I thought their problem was that they loved to tax and spend! (and that they were Socialists.)

PROVE IT or STFU.

Neither a FACT, nor a TRUTH. So, I LOVE it!

Actually, the figure is LESS than $1 trillion, and Bush would have had to do the same or watch the U.S. go down in flames!

Give me ONE example of our "hypocrisy" if you can think one up or have someone email it to you.

Seems to ME that the only "crying" going on around here (and in the news) is from the Republicans who lost the election BIG TIME!

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, Double L. But, making ad hominen attacks against the ruling majority in the nation SHOULD be backed up by SOME facts or historical references. [Well, I guess that would mean they weren't ad hominen then!] I suspect you are incapable of either.

I'm really glad that you stayed in school long enough to actually GET a diploma instead of the GED that is so popular with your generation, but as a taxpayer... I don't feel that I got my money's worth!

You rail against Bush's pet project "no child left behind," yet in every post you prove you are a product of it. If the "test" is to choose a party platform and ideals, your teachers have met the minimum requirements to "teach you to it."

I take no pleasure in busting your b@lls, Double L.... but, I have only so much patience for insults from the uninformed.

You were much more "attractive" when you were asking questions instead of spewing lies. And if I didn't CARE so much about you, I wouldn't come down on you like this.

I should KNOW better, but I have no children that survived the divorce! :fire:

Double L, Just try, just once, to argue your point. You are doing no less than school yard name calling. Provide ONE SINGLE FACT! I implore you, just try to use facts once! All you seem able to do is belittle and demean, Rush Limbaugh and Hanity and all the blow hard conservatives do it, that does not make it right.

Surround yourself with the carnies and rubes who buy into your argument, the fact is YOUR party had 8 years and look what they did. The republicans have done their damage and now it is the Democrats turn. Sit back and enjoy the ride, you can't do anything about it for 2 years, and I would wager nothing will change in 2 years anyhow!

But I suppose since I disagree with you I am an idiot? I am not seeing the light? I refuse to open my eyes and see? SHOW ME WHAT I NEED TO SEE!

:pissedoff::pissedoff::pissedoff::pissedoff::pisse doff::pissedoff:

Rush Limbaugh; Confessed druggie. Why should any person with decent reasoning skills listen to his drivel? Better yet, Why WOULD any person with reasonable intellect listen to his drivel? Are there everyday people out there, that believe this man would in any way, shape or form, give them a moment of attention? Give them a helping hand if they needed it? Or....are his words of wisdom, that spew forth from his drug hazed mind, such, that they benefit from those words??

Shaun Hanity; Exactly what has he done, to make him the economic and political "Guru" that FOX News has turned him into? Is it because he says the words people want to hear?

Anyone whom believe's that a celebrity on the television would care one moment's worth of life for them, deserves what they get from them...NOTHING.

Rush Limbagh and Shaun Hanity, like so many others that we see on TV, have nothing but their mouths to contribute. They have never and will never, contribute(d) a moments worth of value to society. Their money will stay in their pocket. If they can get away without paying taxes...they will...every day. The words they spew forth are just that...words...with no value.

The two of them should have to pay the American Public for their voices polluting the atmosphere. :angryblue::angryblue::fire::fire:

MDKW:

It's actually more like 10 years that "they" had their chance. IIRC, during the last 2 years of Clinton's last term, Newt Gingrich showed up with a brilliant idea for "change." (and brought with him a special prosecutor to impeach the president for personal conduct.) It was called the Contract with America. It was supposed to right all wrongs and clean up politics "as usual."

Although, Clinton had provided fiscal responsibility and left a surplus, many Conservatives were not happy with the "social" programs of the government. They longed for (and rightly so,) the "smaller government" of the Reagan years.

Although Gore won the popular vote in 2000, with the help of a Conservative Congress, conservative Supreme Court, and a newly created conservative MEDIA source, Bush took over the helm of the country.... and immediately made plans to wage war against a sovereign country who had never attacked us. To assuage his guilt for deficit spending on the war, he spent billions on social programs designed to distract us.

This "social spending".... NOT the WAR expenditures, angered his conservative base and contributed to his lowest EVER approval ratings. He lined the pockets of the rich with little or NO return in REAL job creation, and failed to realize that even most REPUBLICANS are "middle class." I beleive the term that became popular was "service industry jobs." Right! The legitimate enslavement and emasculation of the working class! :roll:

Bush mistakenly relied upon the "steroid" induced rage of America about being attacked, and forgot the simple truth that Clinton had discovered. "It's the ECONOMY stupid!" He even dismissed the concerns of his own conservative base in his "religious quest" to fight ALL the evils in the World. And as icing on the cake, he let Wall Street run amok and steal us blind! He learned quickly, but too late, that is IS the economy stupid! And you don't FRUCK with people's retirement incomes! :hellno:

When it comes down to it, Americans care mostly about themselves and their retirements! Wars are fine when required, but experience tells us that we have the POWER to engage and finish them quickly! (Of course, when one dismisses most of one's allies offhandedly, and goes it alone, one finds himself with a knife in a gunfight!) Even the bloodthirsty conservatives grew tired of his incompetent management of the war, as they did with Vietnam. (The so-called "surge" was nothing more than a force enhancement to the level that SHOULD have been deployed to begin with. Thousands died needlessly before they figured out their massive military blunder!)

Luckily, Bush's terms had run out or he would have lost another election SO resoundedly that it would have doomed his party for LIFE! They only "survived" the Obama landslide by running a war hero and a gun-totin' chick to "re-energize" their base. But, too little too late!

And now, within only the first month of the new administration, they have the b@lls to stand up and say that THEY represent "the people," and that we want what THEY have to sell! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yeah.... about 22% of "us" do! :lol2:

You gotta LOVE this "term limited and representative" form of government we have! Every 4-8 years we take another step forward and/or two steps BACK! Reminds me of the agitator in my washer! :hellno::lol2:

I really wish Obama had never uttered those words, "well, WE won so we're gonna try it OUR way!" (paraphrased) But, it IS true! In ONE slip of the tongue, he erased all belief in the promises he made, AND is attempting, to be bipartisan. The "Cons" seized on that like it was their last handhold before they slipped over the cliff! Desperate measures from desperate men!

I sincerely hope he has a "fair" chance to prove his politics. And I hope he has some GOOD ideas. Like all Americans, I want to see results. I am sickened though, by watching the sausage being made!

Hobo

I guess you've seen the light since you've been around last right?

Ladies & Gentleman, your President is infact, giving you change you can believe in...Ohhhh yeeeaah...