... Do I have this Straight ?
 

I"d really like to have some straight answers from those who have actually did time researching to find the correct answeres ????

,,,,,,,,DO I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT?

HIS FATHER WAS A BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM FROM KENYA.
WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS AFRICAN FAMILY.
HIS MOTHER WAS A WHITE AMERICAN ATHEIST FROM KANSAS.
WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS AMERICAN FAMILY?
HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND WENT
BACK TO AFRICA BY WAY OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY. HOW?
WAS HIS FATHER WEALTHY?
HIS MOTHER MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND THEN MOVED TO JAKARTA
WHERE HE WAS ENROLLED IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL .
WHEN HE REACHED HIGH SCHOOL AGE, HIS MOTHER SENT HIM TO HAWAII TO BE WITH
HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS AND HE WAS PUT INTO AN EXPENSIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL.
HE LATER WENT TO HARVARD UNIVERSITY. HOW?
WERE HIS GRANDPARENTS RICH?
HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION HOUSE OBTAINED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A WEALTHY FUNDRAISER. HOW?
HE 'WORKED' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO . HE HAS NEVER HELD A PRODUCTIVE JOB OR RECEIVED A PAY CHECK THAT WAS NOT GOVERNMENT-FUNDED
AND/OR TAYPAYER SUPPORTED.
THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS POSITION, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDES; ON-THE-JOB TRAINING WON'T CUT IT.
HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL
WHERE HE HAS MINIMAL EXPERIENCE.
HE IS PROUD OF HIS 'AFRICAN HERITAGE' (A FATHER WHO GOT A WHITE GIRL
PREGNANT AND DESERTED HER).
WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS 'WHITE HERITAGE'? (A MOTHER WHO FLAUNTED
CONVENTION AND DID NOT BELIEVE IN GOD).
SOME MIGHT THINK THERE WAS NOT MUCH TO BE PROUD OF EITHER WAY.
HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN 'AFRO-CENTRIC'
CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA
FOR ALL THE WORLD'S PERCEIVED FAULTS. (INCLUDING CREATING THE AIDs VIRUS
IN ORDER TO INFLICT IT ON AFRICANS).
HE REPEATEDLY WHITEWASHES THE PASTOR, HIS CHURCH AND THE MEMBERS
WHO CHEERED AFTER HEARING VITRIOLIC TIRADES AGAINST AMERICA.
HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE
HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ?
YEAH RIGHT ! !
DURING HIS VERY BRIEF TIME IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE HE HAS
MANAGED TO AMASS THE NUMBER ONE ULTRA LIBERAL VOTING RECORD
OUT OF THE ONE HUNDRED MEMBERS.
HE HAS VOTED CONSISTENTLY FOR BIGGER GOVERNMENT AND HIGHER TAXES.
HE HAS VOTED FOR BIG ENTITLEMENTS AND LEGISLATION THAT WOULD SEVERELY CURTAIL AMERICA'S ABILITY TO FIGHT TERRORISM AND TO PROTECT OUR BORDERS
AND OUR NATIONAL INTERESTS AROUND THE WORLD.
BUT, HE IS A GOOD ORATOR. ISN'T THAT A COMFORT?
YEAH, I THINK I SEE HOW WELL HE COULD UNITE THE COUNTRY.
I THINK THE TRUTH IS THAT HE HOPES NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER.
"LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,THIS IS YOUR CO-PILOT. LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR
NEW CHIEF PILOT.HE HAS NEVER FLOWN AN AIRPLANE, IN FACT HE HAS NEVER EVEN
SAT IN THE COCKPIT, BUT HE SAYS HE HAS RIDDEN ON PLANES BEFORE. WE ARE SURE
HE WILL GUIDE US SAFELY THROUGH THE STORMS WE MAY ENCOUNTER ON THIS FLIGHT.
PEOPLE WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD THE STORY ABOUT THE WOLF HIDING IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING SO HE CAN DESTROY THEM FROM WITH-IN ?
THE HAND WRITING IS ON THE WALL, DO YOU NOT HAVE EYES TO SEE IT ?

THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY!

Roses; Am not sure about commenting on this being I am an outsider, BUT I think you also need an outsiders point of view.

So, at the risk of being attacked, etc here goes...

This man scares the hell out of the rest of the world.

Whether the US likes it or not, YOU are the world's policeman. The US is the ONLY country with enough clout to stand up to the wack jobs out there. The rest of us, & yes, I include Canada in this, are a bunch of whooses that can't defend ourselves.

Our liberal governments have decimated our militaries & have turned our citizens into a bunch of pansies who think everyone can be "fixed" by talking to them. Nobody has the balls to stand up & be counted anymore.

It is my strong opinion that something HORRIBLE is going to happen right before your election in the fall. There is too much "sabre rattling" going on between Iran & Isreal these days & I personally think Isreal is going to do something before Mr. Bush leaves office, because they don't want to take the chance that Mr. Obama will be your next president. Even THEY don't trust him.

This is an extremely dangerous world we live in, & we are not only being attacked from without, but from within as well. And the biggest trouble is that we are all so busy with our own lives to notice what is going on.

Have you noticed how extreme the liberal views are now? And how truly ugly they get if you disagree with them? Have you noticed they NEVER answer a question? They have their "talking points" & that's what they stick to.

I'm not sure where I sit politically, tho I definitely lean right, there are some issues I definitely sit on the fence about, but mostly I sit squarely in the "middle", I suppose you would call me a strong "independent".

I don't pretend to understand your political system, but I most certainly pay close attention to it. The fate of the whole world depends on you guys whether you like it or not.

God help us all if your citizens don't get that.

I see a conflict of information here. I have other information that he was a Muslim for 41 years, until his wife influenced him to change and seek higher office. At the same time, the other information I have says he was "close" to the the "reverend" and the church. (Personally, I think I'd put more trust in his "ATHEIST" mother.)

But, what I really do find interesting... In all my travels around the country, I have YET to meet one person that truly supports him. I either find those that have not made up their minds, or those that are terrified of him. I want to know just who is supporting him. He has got to have some kind of support or he would not be where he is, but I can not find them. Those of us that actually work for a living easily outnumber those that do not. All we need to do is go to the polls and vote this year, and we can put ANYONE in office that WE want. There has to be more than a thousand of us to each one of them.

The conflict I mentioned above...

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it
daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that
faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run
for office. 4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in
islam'"

Then, this...

HE BELONGS, AND HAS BELONGED FOR OVER 20 YEARS, TO AN 'AFRO-CENTRIC'
CHURCH IN CHICAGO THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA
FOR ALL THE WORLD'S PERCEIVED FAULTS. (INCLUDING CREATING THE AIDs VIRUS
IN ORDER TO INFLICT IT ON AFRICANS).
HE REPEATEDLY WHITEWASHES THE PASTOR, HIS CHURCH AND THE MEMBERS
WHO CHEERED AFTER HEARING VITRIOLIC TIRADES AGAINST AMERICA.
HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE
HE CAN CONFRONT NORTH KOREA AND IRAN ?

And, how old is he? Also, he has stated he didn't know that the Reverend Sharpton had extremist (whacko) views. Maybe if he was actually a practicing Muslim, he would not have paid any attention when he was in church. But then again, from what I'm hearing from various quarters, maybe he really doesn't pay much attention to anything, anytime.-

I read an article the other day that talked about how the fighting in Iraq has decreased and how that country is finally starting to stabilize. I wonder how much of that is due to our actions over there and how much is due to extremists simply backing down and biding their time until after our elections in November and the next president takes office in January knowing full well that if elected Obama is going to start immediate troop withdrawals.

It is my opinion that if Obama is elected we are going to be in a world of hurt. I firmly believe that we are going to see a region wide destabilization in the middle east, and increase in the fighting, and a major increase in terrorist attacks world wide.

Whether or not you are in agreement with the US going into Iraq and/or Afghanistan in the first place a person would need to be blind not to see that we need to stay until the job of stabilization is done in those countries.

Unfortunately we have a lot of "blind" people living here.

Our elections seem to be more of a popularity contest anymore rather than who can do the job the best.

Hit the nail on the head! :wink:

It is amazing to me that he could have over 50 years of extremist religious beliefs in his mere 47 years on this planet...he must be really extreme. Or a time bender :roll:

When Obama can explain to me how you can be Christian and support Abortion and Gay Marriage then I will believe he is a Christian. No one is a perfect Christian and I believe hate the sin not the sinner but the bible is very clear on these two subjects.

Dont believe everything you read on the internet, see on TV, or hear on talk radio.

JUST CHECK HIS VOTING RECORD OR LACK THEREOF. All the politically dangerous votes he abstains from or is absent.

Bush aint perfect but at least he is consistent and sticks to what he says and believes in, only time will tell if he is right.

Sure the bible says being gay is wrong Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9

Abortion, sure enough Exodus 21:22-25

It also says that interracial marriage is wrong Deuteronomy 7:3-4

How about keeping slaves? Leviticus 25:44-45

How about shaving? Leviticus 19:27

How about putting children to death for disrespecting thier parents? Leviticus 20:9

Or are we only picking and choosing the parts of the Bible we wish to follow?

Why not discuss McCain's divorce from his horribly disfigured wife to then marry his Mistress? Or his multiple extramarital affairs?

I agree 100% about McCain and how he left his wife, it definitely looks bad and we know what the bible says about adultery and divorce.

Old and New Testaments concur on the sanctity of life and homosexuality being wrong.

I see that you pulled a lot of Old Testament examples from Deuteronomy and Leviticus(Gods covenant with Israel), these were the laws given Moses by God before Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:23-25 "Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."

If Barrack says that he believes in Christ okay I will take his word because I am not his judge and only the Lord knows what is in his heart.

But from my humble understanding of the bible (people have been fighting about it for years) and what the Lord puts in my heart, Obama gives me the impression he is pandering just to get votes, he wouldnt be the first politician.

Most Christians do. :lol:

i know I used to before it bit me in the rearend.

This is one we will have to disagree on somewhat. There is alot of very interesting debate on Homosexuality and the bible that far surpasses my abilities to argue logically. Sanctity of life I think we are on the same page. (that certainly does not mean we are right)

OK, you win this one :lol:

Amen

As is McCain IMHO, and like you said, every other politician out there.

I think we all need to decipher the Bible for ourselves and make sure we do our best to follow it. I however do not feel we need to run the country according to our individual interpretation of the Bible or whatever holy book you decide to base your beliefs off of.. I kinda like the whole separation of Church and State thing.

I can never believe the incredible "cr**P" people read on the internet and think it's true. More absolute drivel from the Republican right wing and Carl Rove.

Please remember G.Bush created the largest beuacracy in the history of this country. The Department of Homeland Security. A agency that has a policy of letting millions of ILLEGALS enter our country!!
Please remember, it is G.Bush and the Republicans that have taken what was once a $3 TRILLION projected surplus and turned it into a $9 TRILLION DEBT in the span of 8 short years!!! It was G.Bush that has NOT vetoed one single spending bill in his entire term of office. The is the LARGEST amount of DEBT incurred by any administration in our countries history. More than all other adminstrations COMBINED!!!
This is the same administratrion that has had 4 Supreme Court decisions (Guantanamo prisoners, Patriot Act, portions) declared unconstiturtional!!
This is the same administration, that in the "time of war" has had top level administration "out" a covert operative of the CIA! Then covered it up, then when found guilty was immediately pardoned. If such a event had occured during WWll the parties to treason would have been hung!
Not to mention the loss of approximately 3 million+ good paying American jobs to a COMMUNIST country!!
Face it folks, this administration and BOTH parties in Congress have sold you, your family and this country out. The government is broke!! The entire Iraq war is being financed by our new friends the COMMUNIST CHINESE!! The Federal Reserve, had to "bail out" the largest Wall Street brokerage houses and the entire mortgage industry from total collapse! When the Fed lowered the interest rate, for the bailout, it immediately made the American dollar sink even further in value in relation to world currencies!! Your money was IMMEDIATELY worth less!! This made the price of oil IMMEDIATELY cost more! Remember the price of oil is based on the value of the American dollar! Basically you and your family took a 20% pay cut to pay for this administrations and Congresses failings.
I am now coming to the conclusion, I really don't give a hoot, who Obama is, anything is better than the path we are on.
Sadly, this 4th of July, I see a beautiful country on the decline. It's brightest and greatest days becoming a distant memory, all due to the incompetence, and lies of this administration, the total corruption of Congress and the sheer gall and greed of corporate America.

Naysayers and internet rumors. total nonsense.

Obama is the next president of the united states.

everyday our inboxes are flooded with emails bashing obama. accusing like some orchestrated smear campaign.

one could simply go to the official obama website and learn he was born in the united states. and who his father was, as well as his mother, how he was raised by his grandmother. and just about any other question one may have. follow the link, read it.
stop listening to unfounded rumors. shut off your cb radio for a change.

http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php

i find the rumor mills not only frusttrating, but amussing to a point.

I will vote obama. even though he has no experience. remember, JFK didnt either, and everyone thought he was the greatest.

The reublicans have run this country into the ground in 8 short years. McBush will just continue the legacy.



OBAMA '08

America doesnt grow up until Obama sits in the white house. everyone vote how they want of course, thats what our america is about. vote your heart, not what your friend says to you that must be true.

I am white, and i have never been prouder to be an american than this day and age, when a black man, becomes the nominee for a major political party, and when elected to sit in the oval office, i will get on my knee's, kiss the ground we walk upon, and thank the lord, for just then, maybe, america will finally have grown up.

thats my $.02 and that banking i can count on.

OBAMA '08

Do you have it "straight" Roses?

Simple answer..... NO, you Don't!

Like MOST "conservatives" you have it as straight as you can understand it. Your simple mind has swallowed whole all that Karl Rove has been paid to tell you, and you feel "comfortable" with that!

You guys have bought into everything Rove and Bush have told you for 8 years now, and I don't see HOW you can possibly regain the intelligence to think for yourselves!

And thanks to you and them, the country is in the worst condition it has been in since the Great Depression! Thank you!

70% of your OWN party disagrees with Bush's policies, and wants CHANGE! So.... you are in a minority of Republicans! :roll:

You all must be tired of running the country INTO THE GROUND by now.... so, why not take a rest break?? Oil and gasoline prices are at "critical" levels, many older Americans will DIE this winter because they have to choose between HEAT and FOOD! Thank You!

You can be comforted by the fact they will be removed from the Medicaid roster, lowering your taxes on your precious wealth.

MORE Americans will continue to DIE in foreign wars DEVISED by your leaders. Their families will thank you!

MORE of your neighbors will lose their jobs to foreign workers either outside this country... OR from within. They will no longer be able to support their families. Many will go on Welfare.... others will commit suicide. Thank you!

And the WORST that will happen is that a man with a funny name, that YOU ALL can't understand, and immediately DESPISE, will make some changes in the future of our country. A man with no more experience than the President who took us to the MOON, Backed down Kruschev and his missiles in Cuba, and CREATED the "peace Corps" and most NGO's that followed that have spread peace and medicine to Billions of oppressed people in the world, will have a shot at "Mending the wounds" YOUR type have caused.

Will he have ALL the answers? I doubt it. No ONE man could! There are too many questions to be answered and too many problems to be solved after DECADES of Republican rule of either the Presidency or the Congress in this country! It may well be TOO LATE.... and too far gone!

But, if it is.... Look to Nixon's desecration of the Constitution, Reagan's support of Despostism in the form of "Right Wing" governments in our own hemisphere, and the Bush Empire's wholesale auction of our industry to foreigners as the cause!

NOT TO MENTION the arbitrarily HOSTILE stance we've taken militarily against nations who were NEVER meant to even DEAL with American ideals.... let alone suffer their "imposition".... and you MAY find some TRUTH concerning the wayward politics of recent years!

But, it doesn't matter. Obama will be President, and have his chance. Or someone ELSE will. Either way.... America is ready for a change! We WILL move away from the fascist policies of the Bush Administration, or there WILL be another rebellion!

Over 2/3rds of the country wants CHANGE! That is probably as close as we have EVER come, or EVER will, to another American Revolution! And as was the case the LAST time.... those with the MOST "arms" will not win the fight against those with the most HEART!

Choose your side carefuly. Wear the Red coat of the Loyalist, or the Blue coat of the Revolutionary. The Blue Coats WON the Revolutionary War, The Bolshevicks defeated the greatest Army of their day. The Viet Cong reunited their country and pushed the Great American Army out!

I am not extolling the VIRTUES of these "revolutionary armies," I am reminding you of their victories over the "Privileged" and their puppet governments! Do not forget the fate of Louis 14th and his wife! History regales the triumphs of the oppressed, and merely "notates" the empires of the corrupt!

If nothing else, we ALL know that history tends to repeat itself. And one thing that was clear in history is that, changes of dynasties had LESS to do with the "name" or history of the leader...than it did with his message that was echoed by the masses!

JUST a little food for thought!

Happy Independence Day! And TRY to remember what we won our independence FROM! Autocratic Rule, Religious mandates, Class and Privilege, and prejudicial politics that created poverty!

Big 10-4

I asked.. ..

No where in that sentence did I say I have the answers nor did I say I beleived everything I've read ............... so Hobo .......... I'd appreciate if You'd read the question -- before pointing your finger in my face ...

Hobo YOU are so wrong :evil: !!!!!!!!! .... how dare you say I have a simple mind ... Where do you get off THINKING you have all the answers.

I orginally asked for others opinons ..... I didn't say it was my opinon ..... but I knew that at some point you would have to 'set ' us straight. ......... Thank you for not dissappointing me. :roll:

Hobo ..
You have NO CLUE who I am .... nor do I care to spend my time telling you which side of the street I'm going to vote on ..... Before you continue to TELL me and others - WHAT we are .... you best take a closer look at yourself. :roll:

HOW DARE YOU to think so Big of Yourself .... it must be hard walking in your shoes ... telling the world and Me we don't have the intelligence to think for ourself. :evil:

You are sooooooooo off in left field ..... I NEVER VOTED FOR BUSH ... it's NOT MY FAULT ... the world is going to h@&& in a hand basket.

AGAIN your completely wrong .... I carry a card and it doesn't say Republican on it ........... so get off my case :evil:

I take Great offense to that :!: .... You keep saying 'you' as if Your talking to me ....... dude I hope your not :!: .

Once again .... reread my question ....You've spent all this time tell ME and OTHERS that we're wrong and we've done nothing right ..... That wasn't the question ... :roll:

Hey Golfhobo,if you think the country is in the worst shape it has been since the Great Depression you must have forgotten the Seventies.

And it took the Viet Cong three years after we left to finally win, we left in 72.

Vietnam fell in 1975.

Bolsheviks beating the greatest army of their day, well it wasnt the Czars army and the Russians surrendered to the Germans at Brest Litovsk in 1917. If you mean the Russians of the Second World War those were Soviets and they sure didnt beat the Germans on their own.

Our economy was doing fine until 2006 elections and even though I do not blame the Democrats for the economy they were promising change in 2006 which I have yet to see occur. Anyone else notice that after the Irag war started going good the press and Democrats started talking about our bad economy 24/7 and is it a wonder that things take a turn for the worse.

We still have not had negative growth period.

As for our Soldiers its a volunteer army any soldier who is there is there of their own free will.

I have lived over seas twenty years military and civilian, middle east and europe, our problem is we are spoiled rotten, our government copies the same behaviour we all exhibit(I am guilty too) spend and spend and borrow for stuff we dont need half the time.
I have yet to see a country that lives as well as we do and we moan and groan just because the economy slows down.
God help us if we really hit by something like the Depression our Grandparents or Parents experienced thy were used to having little and working much harder. America took longer to recover from it than almost every other country why because Roosevelts great social plans(they actually prolonged it.)
Democrats, Republicans they are both guilty of fiscal irresponsibilty.

Let Obama make his changes, we can boot him in four years, but just remember CHANGE goes both ways and I have yet to hear him talk about cutting taxes and spending(McCain either) which is the only thing proven to work. The German economy didnt start to grow until they started cutting taxes and spending. They had 10-11% unemployment
for years and under 2% growth, after the Social Democrats got booted and taxes cut things started to go upwards.

We all need to start saving,guit buying crap on credit and demand that our politicians not spend one cent until our budget is balanced.

Roses:

You "started out" by asking a LOADED question!

Obviously, you were parrotting something you'd received in an email or something over the internet.

It was NOT a "question" about Obama's history or qualifications.... it was a diatribe AGAINST them!

THEN..... you switched from ASKING anything to giving YOUR opinion as here:

All I can say is..... YOU lay down with dogs.... YOU wake up with FLEAS!!

If YOU don't like being lumped in with the HATERS...... don't parrot their bullsh!t!!! :roll: :roll:

If YOU have an intelligent question about Obama or any OTHER candidate.... just ASK for the responses you say you wanted!

Your "diatribe" put you square in my line of fire.... and I don't have TIME to "ask questions!" NOR am I inclined to DO so! :roll:

NO.... I DON'T know what "card" you carry, and don't really care! There are only THREE types of people who listen to, believe and repeat such crap about Obama..... the Prejudiced.... the Ignorant..... or the Republican!

Pick which EVER "card" you want! MY response will be the same! [actually, it would be WORSE in the case of Prejudice!]

And "I" am not even "sold out" on his side! I MAY yet vote for McCain! But, I will NOT stand by and listen to Americans TRASH Obama like it's some kind of video game!

I DID "read" your so-called "question." Did YOU?? :shock:

And YES.... it IS difficult to walk in MY shoes! Shoes that walk the CENTER of American politics and concerns. Shoes that were never taught HATRED, PREJUDICE or "Party line at all costs!" :roll:

I was taught to THINK for myself, to weigh ALL the "intel" on a subject, candidate or issue, and not take a side SIMPLY because it was POPULAR!

Was I talking to "YOU?" I don't know! If "YOU" are the author of that diatribe, or are in agreement with it, then..... yes, probably so! If not.... then I was using the "collective" form of YOU to address the author or BASE of that opinion! Like I said.... if the shoe FITS?? If NOT.... then don't take it personally!

I might "note" that YOU said in your response that you "expected" me to come along and say something like I did! So, you KNEW which side "I" was on, AND which side YOU were representing! Don't play innocent (or "wounded") with me! :!:

MY opinions are well known, and they are MY OWN! I have NEVER "parrotted" another's, and I will NOT back down from my own! And I don't have to ASK others to "set me straight," but IF I did..... I wouldn't then ATTACK them for doing so! :roll:

All in all.... I'm very SORRY if I "stepped on your toes!" Might I suggest some dancing lessons? Not for ME, of course..... I actually "DO" carry THAT card! :lol: :wink:

once again ... :roll: thank you for your guidance :roll: ... There will always be someone who thinks they know more than others .. :roll:

I NEVER GAVE MY OPINION .... I was asking what others have learned ... not to get a history lesson or be told I can' t think for myself.

So you don't have TIME to ask questions but you sure have enough time to let others know what you Think of their thoughts or life..... someone you have no clue about. :roll:

I wasn't asking to be 'set straight' I was asking for people who have done their homework on this .... because everyone see's things different ... but instead .... I recieved a history lesson and was told I couldn't think on my own and have a simple mind ....

I pray for the government that they open their eyes and strive to make the right choices.

Ct77 said:

Nope.... I lived through the 70's and that was a mere BLIP compared to the "Great Depression." However, stats I've heard lately, have confirmed that our economy "relatively speaking" is worse now than any time since the 30's. I don't feel like looking for the links. I've heard it from multiple sources from BOTH political sides. If you don't want to believe me, suit yourself.

I made no comment on any timeframe. I said they pushed us out. If you saw the emergency evacuations from the roof of our embassy LIVE on TV as I did, you would not question this. And they DID then "reunite" the country. Do you have any doubt who won that war?

The greatest army of the average day of the Russian peasant, was the Russian Army at the time of the "revolution." It was at least on a par with any army in the world, and it was certainly superiour to the "hammer and sycle" army that rose up against it. It had beaten the French at Waterloo. No.... I was NOT referring to the Soviets in WWII. Thanks for clarifying that. :roll: I was making a simple statement that "revolutionaries" usually WIN their battles! :wink:

Really? Is THAT what you were told? Is THAT what you believed? :lol: The Republicans lost in 2006 PRECISELY on the issue of a bad economy and poor fiscal management.... plus the war. When did the Iraq war start going good? Are we OUT YET? Oh, you mean the "surge" that was a bandaid to fix a wound that was suffered by poor Battlefield management in the first place! :roll: But, yes.... once there was a slight improvement in the war situation, the media DID turn to more coverage of the economy that had been BAD for years! It just wasn't bad enough to outweigh the bad news about the war! :roll: However, in 2003, a gallon of gas was about $1.50. Today, it is 3 times that! In 2006, I would guess it was just under TWICE that! But, WHAT statement did I make that provoked your DEFENSE of the Bush economy? Doesn't matter.... it is obvious you were listening to all the LIES the Bush administration was selling concerning job growth and economic stability, while ignoring the TRUE indicators of a recession!

Hmm..... I believe I just recently heard that we had, indeed, suffered 3 months of CONSECUTIVE negative growth.... the definition of a recession.... and that doesn't even consider the OTHER months that were negative but not "consecutive."

Once again, I don't recall making a statement that would precipitate this response, but I'll bite! Yes, it IS a volunteer army. And, to their great credit, SOME soldiers are voluntarily re-enlisting for multiple tours in Iraq! However, there are THOUSANDS more who are being "extended" in Iraq against their will, and many more whose enlistments have been "stop-lossed" to keep them on Active Duty instead of letting them get out after their term of AGREED enlistment! Thousands MORE of the National Guard are being "illegally" forced into long term active duty assignments against their agreements, and state's laws! Need I go on? We ALL know that Dubya is changing the rules as he goes along to avoid the inevitable DRAFT that is necessary to maintain troop levels for so many "fronts" of aggression..... a draft that he absolutely refuses to acquiesce to "on his watch!" :roll:

I don't DISagree with MOST of this, save the part about how Roosevelt's plans Prolonged it. And I'm not really interested in hearing the propaganda that you would provide to support "your" opinion (that someone GAVE YOU.) But, it is a FACT that the National debt and budget were in better "health" during, and at the end of, the Clinton Administration than they had been since Nixon took power, or have been SINCE Clinton. Numbers don't lie..... unless they come out of Dubya's mouth! :lol:

Unfortunately, once AGAIN, it will fall to the Democrats to PAY the BILLS for the excess of the Republican administration's WARS!! You will not see any real tax cuts under a Democratic administration! You will once again BLAME them for doing what they MUST do! And you will NOT see the truth about it all! But, he MAY just be able to do what Clinton did.... which was to raise the taxes necessary to pay down the debt and balance the budget. But, I somehow doubt it. Bush Sr. was a MISER compared to his SON! The debt is now SO HUGE, that even a Democratic magician might not be able to reduce it to any great degree! But.... we all know what will happen if we have MORE of the "Bush Economic Plan!" :shock: :roll:

Can't argue with that! Now.... if we can JUST "teach" some people the basic reality that CANCELLING tax credits is NOT THE SAME as "increasing taxes," we may have a chance!

ct77 said:

Please quote the article and paragraph of the Constitution that says that a candidate for President of the United States of America MUST be a Christian.

Please quote the scripture of the Bible that even "addresses" abortion!

I will "give" you that God taught (through the words of MEN against homosexuality,) but our country is founded on a separation of church and state. We fled from England to AVOID religious persecution, i.e: Christian based LAWS that would dictate what we could and could not do, and the taxation that accompanied those decisions! Neither YOU, as a Christian, OR the government should have a RIGHT (under the Constitution) to impose your morality on me, or to TAX me for practicing my freedoms OF or FROM "religion!" Look up the word "marriage" in Webster's dictionary!! Tell me it doesn't say in def #3: ANY intimate union! How can you "ammend" the Constitution in defense of a definition of Marriage, when the dictionary says it can be a "partnership" or "melding" of two parts into a whole? :roll:

ALL they are asking for is the CIVIL right to be considered a "union" that deserves the SAME tax breaks as a "chritian recognized" marriage! ONLY a "moralistic bully" and a Freedom Hater could deny U.S. citizens equal protection under the law based on some RELIGIOUS belief!!

B.S!!! Bush has "flip-flopped" more on his rationale for invading Iraq than all other Democratic candidates on all issues in the last 10 years! :roll:

What happened to his "Dead or Alive" resolve to bring the architect of 9/11 to justice??

What happened to his resolve that Iraq MUST become a "democracy?"

What happened to his rationale for the economic stimulus checks. One day on TV he said "This will help Americans SPEND more, and this will help the ECONOMY." Then.... merely a month later, on TV he said, " Americans can use this economic stimulus check to make purchases.... or to defray the high cost of fuel!" :roll:

I could go on..... but, TIME IS UP!!! He's HAD 8 years too many.... and 2/3rds of the country (and most of the World) agrees that he is WRONG!!!

I am not quite sure how bashing Bush and the current administration makes Obama a better candidate. Best I can see from that tactic is people questioning the current administration and still wanting to know what Obama has to offer. As for as the OP's original question,
I may not have straight answers but my "observations" from the site the Rokk posted, Meet Barrack, it has left me with more questions now. I went on the site and started searching for his position or plans on a multitude of issues and things just don't add up for me. Now before I am cast a flippin' Republican let me make it clear I have no party affiliation and will keep it that way. The Reps are no more conservative then the Dems by definition.

The first issue that I looked at was Iraq. He says he has a timeline for Bringing Our Troops Home but then he says "He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats". This has the potential to turn into what is misused here:
The emergency evacuation was not our combat troops on your t.v. it was the small amount of troops left to defend the embassy. Our combat troops had long since left, a troop redeployment so to speak. Obama does state however in that paragraph on his site "if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda". So what type of bases are we talking here? Full blown bases like we all think of here in the states won't happen but what do you think we are attacking right now in Iraq? Bases of operation by definition since al Queda don't run around with aQ tattooed to their forehead.

The next paragraph down on Obama's site says he will Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile. Maybe he should lead by example. He never misses an opportunity to try to pin all the blame on the current administration or bash the Reps so it sounds like he has some reconciling to do himself.

The next paragraph down says he will work on Regional Diplomacy and he is going to do that by "This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria." I bet Iran would love to tell Obama how willing they are to sit down and discuss playing nice, LOL. He finishes off by going against the second biggest concern of most Americans questioning the war, money rebuilding Iraq "and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction." My question is if he is not going to see the war out then why should we pay to make it better?

The final paragraph is all about Humanitarian Initiative. Can anyone say Somalia? That was a humanitarian mission (initiative) I am all too familiar with. Anyone want to explain how that turned out? That too was another Dems mission so I guess that phrase "Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it" fits nicely here.

If you click on the issues tab at the top you can get his view on a whole host of issues but the more I checked the more confused I got. He plans on forcing employers to pay each employee seven PAID sick days. Government ran personal businesses is not something that will help any economy. I will guess that is eight hour days so employees will be given a week and a half "Vacation" pay right off the bat. Then he also wants to raise the minimum wage and "Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan." For health care. When I see all of this I would ask the question is he also going to fund these businesses to move south or do you think all of that "Government control" of businesses will be enough to send them south? I guess that might be his way of controlling immigration, if he causes all of these "Government Controlled" businesses to move south then most immigrants will stay home and work there since there will be no employment opportunities up here.

There were a ton more "red flags" that I saw and most were funding many Government programs to "fix" all of these problems. That just leaves the question of where the Government will get the money for increasing these programs. Amazingly most of his quotes on the site were made in Iowa, the one I liked the best is "I went to Detroit, I stood in front of a group of automakers, and I told them that when I am president, there will be no more excuses — we will help them retool their factories, but they will have to make cars that use less oil."
I guess he really set them straight, LOL. Good thing their vote didn't count or we would be having this discussion about Hillary, LOL. Either way my point is not too many speeches prior to him wanting to be President so little experience coupled with the millions of questions I have, I won't vote for him. I am not too thrilled with McCain either so maybe I'll just vote twice in 2012.
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It don't but Obama's site is full of how "Christian" he is. Check out his Barrack Obama on Faith, he picks a ton of scripture to quote. So does he just pick and choose what parts to believe?

I would start with that part about taking care of widows and children and go from there.

Pretty good post, Slim Chance. Don't really have any need to argue with you about it. But, I do want to clarify ONCE AGAIN what so many seem unable to comprehend...

Just as I made no claim about a timeframe, NEITHER did I say those were our combat troops being evacuated OR doing the evacuation from the embassy. :roll:

IIRC, those being evacuated were a mixture of embassy personnel, American businessmen from the surrounding area, and some South Vietnamese who had helped us, and feared for their lives! (oh yeah... AND the Embassy Guard unit.)

Granted, I can see how my including the original line about "pushing us out" in a paragraph about revolutionary "battles" might cause one to make the assumption I was referring to our COMBAT troops. What I SAID.... and what I meant..... was that they pushed US (America) out!"

When you have to evacuate from the roof of your embassy with armed throngs at your gates, YOU (as a country) are being "pushed out!"

Is this more clear now? Or does someone ELSE want to take a stab at miscomprehending my statements???? :roll: :lol:

Golfhobo take it from SOMEONE that lives in OBAMAland that he is elected he will be WORSE than Bush Jr is. First of all in additon to gettting rid of Bushes tax cuts he is rasing the Capital Gains taxes to 28% plus raising both the Limit and rate on the SS tax. Anyone that makes over 150K a year adnd that includes O/O that are not incoparated will have a TAX RATE OF 60% minamum. those makeing 75K will be paying 50% those under 50K will still see an increase up to 45% and that is from figuring out figures from HIS OWN WEBSITE.

He also is threating to INVADE Pakistan who has Nuclear weapons BTW to force them to help us in the Global war on Terror. The President there is hanging on by the skin of his teeth already do we need anything to tip the platter so to speak. Just when things are improving and the reconcilation is happening in Iraq he will pull all troops out in less than 16 months leaving them wide open for Iran to take them over. He refuses to make Iran stopping erichment of Uranium any part of any sanctions that even Russia and China support that.

As to him being for CHANGE. YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!! He comes from the same mold as Richard Daley he is part of the CHicago machine. When he was a State Senator here in IL his now convicted buddy Rezko got goverment backed loans to fix up low income housing guess what IT WAS NEVER FIXED. People in houses manged by Rezko and others in Obama's district went thru the winters with NO HEAT rats crawling all over the place and sometimes WITHOUT WATER also. Yet they complained to the CIty and COunty and nothing was done why Obama and Daley had told the Inspectors that the tenants were lying it took SOMEONE FREEZING TO DEATH BEFORE THEY DID ANYTHING. Obama had more PRESENT VOTES than ANYONE IN THE HISTORY OF THE IL STATE SENATE over 400 in the 9 years he was there.

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If this was really a post and discussion on politics it might have some validity,the truth is easy to see; this post was started and based on hate. No big deal thou, that is simply the way of the world. The same as if a discussion was started on DNA which can easily prove that the first people on this planet were black and that all people are decendents of a black man and woman. Considering that; now Obama does not seem so important, bring on the hate and read it and weep. Oh, and yes I have no doubts that many here can pull apart the truth and facts of DNA, and let me add---have a good day.

jiptwoo .... I'm sorry if you think this thread was started out of hate. ....

I personally wanted to know if ANYONE has learned the truth or nontruth of who Obama is ? ...... I personally do NOT care what color a person is ... I've searched for good solid information on Obama, but couldn't find it so I asked here.

I'm sorry someone made this thread into a history lesson ... I'm stepping out of this topic ... I'm disappointed. :cry:

Let me set the record "Straight!"

What is the title of this thread? I don't have access to it right now, as I'm in the post mode, but I believe it was something like....

"Let me get this straight" or

"Do I have this straight?" yeah.... I think that was it!

Supposedly, someone who claims to have NO IDEA what Obama is about, started a thread ASKING... "Do I have this straight?" and then proceded to post some internet SLUR campaign against Obama, under the "guise" of "just wondering" and wanting someone ELSE to do some research that was EASILY available on Google to anyone who could "google up" the CRAP "they" posted! :shock:

Then.... when I answered that they did NOT have this straight, and took offense to the blatant character assassination CRAP that was posted, they took offense!

Obviously..... I should have let it go with the "simple answer" I provided, which was NO!

But, I just couldn't leave it there! I REACTED to the CRAP which this person "parrotted" onto this site, and made an all too common mistake of mine, in that I assigned "responsibility" to the poster for the CRAP they had posted! :shock: :lol:

For THIS misunderstanding..... I apologize with ALL humility! And, I feel like CRAP!

The fact that someone PARROTS crap onto this site in THEIR own thread, does NOT necessarily mean THEY believe or support it! It does NOT automatically identify them with the party or persons who STARTED this CRAP!

And, as such, I had NO RIGHT to assume "support" or "assention" for this CRAP to the person who posted this CRAP!

Futhermore, considering the attending question this person asked in addition to posting this CRAP, I did not even qualify to answer this CRAP OR the question, because I cannot post links to support any personal research I have done to dispell this CRAP!

So, this person says they did not ASK me to "set them straight," although their thread was titled "Do I HAVE this straight?" They SAY they were ONLY asking for information they couldn't find for themselves ABOUT Obama, though they FOUND this CRAP that they posted.

Had this person asked.... "do the people who came up with this CRAP have it straight?" I might have given the SAME simple answer, and then proceded to flame those who originally came up with this CRAP!

But, because the person who started this thread, and PARROTTED this CRAP, made no attempt to disassociate themselves FROM this CRAP, I fell into the faulty assumption that they BELIEVED this CRAP, and further made the unfortunate leap of logic that IF they supported this CRAP, they must BELIEVE this CRAP.... and therefore they must be of the type of simple mind that would come up with this CRAP or repeat it!

Not that I believed for ONE MINUTE, that the person who posted this CRAP actually AUTHORED this CRAP.... but, I relied on the history of this site to believe that people who post such CRAP, generally believe and support such CRAP!

Therefore, having had a CRAPPY day already.... I made a false assumption concerning the PURPOSE of this CRAP, and responded in a manner that essentially resulted in CRAP! :wink:

I SHOULD recognize CRAP when I see it, and I should KNOW when it is not the true opinion of the person I've known for years now who posted this CRAP! I am only human. Sometimes, I make mistakes! For THIS mistake, I will be eternally apologetic.... and I feel like CRAP!

I am currently EATING CRAP, just so I will know the taste of it when I am spewing it! And..... because I would rather EAT CRAP than lose a good friend! I don't know if my new diet will settle CRAP..... but, I am starting to LIKE the taste of it! :lol:

Did you know that corn does NOT digest? Why do we EAT it? :shock: :lol:

ah CRAP ! that was alot of CRAP !

:) :) :P

golfhobo wrote:
I said they pushed us out. If you saw the emergency evacuations from the roof of our embassy LIVE on TV as I did, you would not question this.
slimchance wrote:
The emergency evacuation was not our combat troops on your t.v. it was the small amount of troops left to defend the embassy. Our combat troops had long since left, a troop redeployment so to speak.


You beat me to it Slimchance good job.

If anybody won the Vietnam war it was the American press and all public at home who did not realize what it really was all about. Before you go on some long winded diatribe about military industrial complex remember Kennedy and Johnson were the ones that got us started on the buildup there in the first place. There were alot of Americans which understood what was at stake during the Cold War as are alot of young Americans who are serving our military today.


Mr. Hobo has heard alot of things and I am sure he has his little websites where he accumulates his vast knowledge which is superior to all of ours.

I swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC and I take it serious to this day. Sixth generation so far in my family. So you better believe I was raised to watch all of our politicians and to this day I believe States right should supersede the Federal government unless otherwise specified.

golfhobo we can agree to disagree and a good debate is one of the strengths of the country but I will tell you from personal experience get out of the country and see what some other places are like, become proficient in another language it will make you love this country more regardles of who is running it. Personally I am sick of both parties blaming the other when they are BOTH guilty.

Unfortunately I do not know your personal circumstance and where you live which have made you so bitter about our country and economy or maybe you just enjoy provoking others :wink:
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:D Oh yeah, Life is a crap sandwich and the more bread you have the less crap you have to taste. think about it. :D

golfhobo wrote:

slimchance wrote:

ct77 wrote:

As if right on cue!!

Please go back and read my response to Slim Chance, and you'll see how ridiculous this sounds! :roll:

News Flash!! The V.C. won that war! And just HOW did that affect us during the Cold War?? Do we not, today, have somewhat normalized relations with Vietnam?? [not to mention Communist China] So..... hmm..... tell me again just WHY those 58,000 Americans had to die??

This is funny! Oh... and you don't have to call me MR. That would be my father! :wink:

So did I.... and so DO I!! Your point? :roll:

Well... I may not be as well traveled as YOU, but I did spend a year and a half in Greece, travelled some in Spain and Germany. Spent some time in Puerto Rico and Mexico....... et, je parle Francais! It would be hard to love this country any more than I do. I don't care WHO runs it.... I care HOW they run it!

I am not bitter. Angry maybe. For the cause of that, you only have to look at who lives in the Big House.... and what he has DONE to our country, its workforce, the economy, our RIGHTS, and our reputation around the World!

I don't "provoke" others. I respond to their propaganda! I doubt my knowledge is superior to that of many on this board. Perhaps, my INSIGHT might be a bit clearer than some. I don't really have a problem with people expressing an OPINION opposite to mine. What I can't stand, is when someone expresses an "opinion" that is more of an accusation, and that is word for word right out of the mouth of some political HACK!

In other words, if one can't THINK for themselves, and they just repeat the same political mantra they've been programmed to repeat (notice I didn't even assume they BELIEVE it) it pegs out my B.S. meter!

You bring up an interesting point.... that travelling broadens one's perspective. It certainly does. And, although I agree that travels abroad are of great benefit, I would suggest that one learns much MORE by living in many different demographic regions of THIS country! Rat was speaking the other day about his little "enclave" up in North Dakota. Not sure, but it sounds like he's lived there all his life. So, what kind of influences do you think he has had in his life? What dominant opinions have shaped his own? How much variety of opinion or experiences has he been subjected to?

I have lived in Red states and Blue states, urban and rural areas. I have lived in the Northwest, the Midwest, the Southeast, Texas and Cali!! I paid attention while I was at it, and my perspectives and insights have been honed as a result. So SUE me!! :roll:

Now, you know more about me than you ever wanted to! So, if you want to debate... I'll debate. You want to flame? I'll flame. If you want to despise me for being smart.... you're on your own! (Well.... you'll probably have an army here to back you... but, I mean I won't despise you back!) :lol:

Have a nice day, driver!

Oops!! I forgot Colorado!! How could I forget my time in God's Country?? :shock: Man.... I've been here in the south for FAR too long! :roll:

Sticking with the theme of this thread "...Do I have this Straight?" let me see if I do.

The starter of this thread posted a question followed with what many would call internet rumors. More then likely this was done to pique others interest (it obviously worked). Posting just a quick little thread that said why he was unsure of Obama probably would not have generated so many responses. At first some chimed in with agreement or more questions about some more "internet rumors" and some with disagreement.

Next, golfhobo goes into a long post about how terrible the current administration. I am not sure how this fits in but somehow George Bush's failures make Obama a better man I guess. The post goes to sides as if Obama is running against the current administration (which he is not) so I guess the "insinuation" that is trying to be made here is that all Repulicans will do the same even though it is pointed out in this post that "70% of your OWN party disagrees with Bush's policies, and wants CHANGE! So.... you are in a minority of Republicans!" (click on the quote it will take you to that post.)

The debate/argument goes on with the current administration being the larger makeup of the posts. I decided to entertain the debate by giving my "opinion" of Obama using the resources that the Obama supporters linked to. I made a comment about something that golfhobo said about being out of context. No matter how you say you were misunderstood, you were not. You said then clarified your statement with That means you are saying that the evacuation was proof of being pushed out, I called you on it because the U.S. combat troops had been removed long before that by the U.S.'s own accord, not being pushed out and ran up to the tops of buildings like your statement suggests. Had the troops stayed no one can say how it would have turned out.

After that some one with no basis to his statement post some crap about racism when no one said anything about not liking him because of color but because of stance on issues and possible negative statements about Obama's religious background. Golfhobo then goes on to call of this crap and has no interest to dispute my observations from a credible source or to offer explanation how my concerns are unjust and offer explanation. Then you go on to talk about red states and blue states which I see no way shows how Obama is a logical bid for the White House.

So if I have this straight this thread is not about if Obama but rather about a way to bash the current administration. Whenever the debate starts moving back to getting answers on where Obama stands someone comes in and screams crap or look at how bad George Bush (AKA the republican party) is. Those who seem to be all for Obama have yet to offer one reason why he is a good candidate. If I have it right this is a normal political debate, LOL.

slim chance wrote:

Well..... no not really. For one thing.... you left out the religious discussion! :wink:

As for the rest of it. Just not sure I feel like answering! Last time I answered that question, I ended up having to eat alot of CRAP!! :lol: :lol:

And, I don't have enough bread to make it taste like pate'!! :wink:

Besides, you seem to think you "understand" what I MEANT better than "I" do, so I'm sure it will be easier for you to just READ MY MIND! :lol:

Golfhobo will interject his disdain for the current administration into any topic that will ever exist..... :lol: Golfhobo will also pander to anyone who reads his long winded diatribes with a Al Franken style.... It also appears that Golfhobo has never gotten over the 2000 election when GWB BEAT Al " I invented the Internet " Bore, even though after all the Court action initiated by Al " I am making millions off Global Warming " Bore. GWB still won on the tallies...... I wonder what Golfhobo will do when Sen. McCain beats the Great Black Hope come Nov. 3rd ???? :lol:

Trying to keep this thread on track here.

One good thing about Obama is that there are no missing persons or mysterious deaths associated with him.

John Glasgow (CFO of the company that built Clinton library is still missing) amazes me that our press ignores this. Since he was a person off interest into the inquiry about the funding.

Guess he went to visit Ron Brown, Vince Foster, and James Mcdougal

http://arkansasbusiness.com/article....=all&link=perm

oh yeah, check out which law firm one of the last witnesses worked for

BigDiesel said:

Naw..... not the ones about LOGGING! :wink: But..... don't YOU interject your "get a job at Denny's" comments into ANY topic where a driver admits to making any kind of mistake? :shock:

I learned to pander from listening to Patriot Radio on Sirrius! Those guys are PROS!! :lol:

With the help of 17,000 Palm Beach County votes for Buchanan/Bush!! :lol: Seriously tho, my problem is that "I" saw what Dubya was up to LONG before he stole.... I mean..... WON the Selection! Had more of you listened to me then, nearly 5,000 brave American soldiers would have spent this past Independence Day with their families!

[If you don't believe me.... I'll get you a link to another forum I was on at the time, and you can pander to my long winded diatribes about Dubya BEFORE he "Accomplished his Mission!" ] :lol: :lol:

Probably get drunk and take up PRAYING!! Along with about 2/3rds of the Conservatives in America! :lol: