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ben45750 12-08-2007 05:26 AM

Meet Joe Francis
 
This week I was listening to a show on XM. I thought this was kind of interesting story about Joe francis, the guy from Girls Gone Wild. He called into the show from jail telling his story and what is happening to him. I can understand how people could be upset with him because of his movies but this is completely wrong. Here's a link to whats going on with him. Thought some might find this interesting?

http://www.meetjoefrancis.com/legalstory/


Girls Gone Wild founder and CEO Joe Francis has been sitting in jail for eight months, not because he’s been convicted of a crime, but because he’s been denied his 8th Amendment Constitutional right to bail. It seems certain officials in a small Florida town are intent on making some sort of example of him.

Francis was sent to jail by a Panama City, Florida judge because he would not settle a civil (for money) lawsuit brought against him by a lawyer who happened to be the judge’s friend and ex-law partner. The judge found Francis in civil contempt of court for not settling the lawsuit but cited no legal basis for ordering Francis to jail in a civil matter

Fozzy 12-08-2007 05:49 AM

Maybe the judge thinks the scumbag is a flight risk?

Trukrswyfe 12-08-2007 05:49 AM

Im bored so here it goes.



Oh the in justice, the horror, ralley together all those and converge on this town, Untied one and all and show the people that We the People will not stand for this. I am standing on my soap box and calling for people to take notice, Unite everyone, :lol:

What if this was one of your children??? What if this was you??? I call for a boycott and everything made by this Floridians!! Lets hurt them where it counts. What..... No takers... You fools Where is your sense of justice and freedom. :lol:


Ha ha ha Just kidding I do not care... Sorry Ben Like I said I bored see what happens when you have tooo much coffee and time on your hands. He he he. Just playin. :lol:

Fredog 12-08-2007 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy
Maybe the judge thinks the scumbag is a flight risk?


why would he be a flight risk? just because he has his own jet and millions of dollars. that doesnt mean anything. I'm sure he can be trusted.
He has called in to 2 different shows on Sirius also looking for pity. I say, let him rot.

ben45750 12-08-2007 06:06 AM

A flight risk for what? He's not on trail for anything. Why is he a flight risk?

Fredog 12-08-2007 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by ben45750
A flight risk for what? He's not on trail for anything. Why is he a flight risk?


the moral here is if a judge tells you to do something and you agree to do it, you dam well better do it.

Fredog 12-08-2007 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by ben45750
A flight risk for what? He's not on trail for anything. Why is he a flight risk?


the moral here is if a judge tells you to do something and you agree to do it, you dam well better do it.

he said he didnt know that you couldnt have drugs in jail because nobody told him. yea right, he is a lying piece of garbage and he deserves to be in jail, either that or let the fathers of the under-aged girls he duped have him, that would be fair and just punishment

ben45750 12-08-2007 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by ben45750
A flight risk for what? He's not on trail for anything. Why is he a flight risk?


the moral here is if a judge tells you to do something and you agree to do it, you dam well better do it.

So if a Judge tells you to settle a Civil lawsuit for $70,000,000 with 7 girls who lied about their age you should do it? Sounds more like extortion to me?

Fredog 12-08-2007 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by ben45750

Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by ben45750
A flight risk for what? He's not on trail for anything. Why is he a flight risk?


the moral here is if a judge tells you to do something and you agree to do it, you dam well better do it.

So if a Judge tells you to settle a Civil lawsuit for $70,000,000 with 7 girls who lied about their age you should do it? Sounds more like extortion to me?

what about the tape with joe telling the girls to lie about their age? oh yea lets not let the facts get in the way.
maybe you could start a joe francis fan club

Ridge Runner 12-08-2007 06:33 AM

While I'm no fan of Joe, a judge can't ORDER you to settle. As a defendant you have the RIGHT to a trial either by judge or jury. ( Your chioce ). No I didn't read the story. Just setting the record straight on rights.

ben45750 12-08-2007 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by ben45750

Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by ben45750
A flight risk for what? He's not on trail for anything. Why is he a flight risk?


the moral here is if a judge tells you to do something and you agree to do it, you dam well better do it.

So if a Judge tells you to settle a Civil lawsuit for $70,000,000 with 7 girls who lied about their age you should do it? Sounds more like extortion to me?

what about the tape with joe telling the girls to lie about their age? oh yea lets not let the facts get in the way.
maybe you could start a joe francis fan club

I dunno? You tell me? He wasn't present when the 7 girls signed release forms lying about their age. He wasn't there and he has never seen the tape.

I'm not a Joe Francis fan, I just don't agree with him sitting in jail for no reason. How would you like it if you were sued and without a trail a Judge ordered you to pay or go to jail?

ben45750 12-08-2007 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
While I'm no fan of Joe, a judge can't ORDER you to settle. As a defendant you have the RIGHT to a trial either by judge or jury. ( Your chioce ). No I didn't read the story. Just setting the record straight on rights.

Your right! As a defendant you have the RIGHT to a trial either by judge or jury and he was refused the right to receive a trial by a jury.

Fredog 12-08-2007 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by ben45750

Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by ben45750

Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by ben45750
A flight risk for what? He's not on trail for anything. Why is he a flight risk?


the moral here is if a judge tells you to do something and you agree to do it, you dam well better do it.

So if a Judge tells you to settle a Civil lawsuit for $70,000,000 with 7 girls who lied about their age you should do it? Sounds more like extortion to me?

what about the tape with joe telling the girls to lie about their age? oh yea lets not let the facts get in the way.
maybe you could start a joe francis fan club

I dunno? You tell me? He wasn't present when the 7 girls signed release forms lying about their age. He wasn't there and he has never seen the tape.

that's his story,the camera man and the girls tell a different story

what does this have to do with trucking anyway?


I'm not a Joe Francis fan, I just don't agree with him sitting in jail for no reason. How would you like it if you were sued and without a trail a Judge ordered you to pay or go to jail?


Fozzy 12-08-2007 07:34 AM

No reason? If these were your relatives who were CONNED/COERCED to do what basically comes down to child porn / delinquency of a minor and all other sorts of other crimes, this scumbag had the chance to pay a small fine (comparatively) and walk away clean to continue his scumbag ways. He needs to get raped in the jail a few times...then given the choice again. He's been playing this innocent game for far too long and he's not as cute nor charming to the rest of the world as he is to the kids he's scamming just take dirty picture of... He's just a pervert who makes money taking dirty pictures and thinks he will beat the rap by playing the victim...

Ridge Runner 12-08-2007 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy
No reason? If these were your relatives who were CONNED/COERCED to do what basically comes down to child porn / delinquency of a minor and all other sorts of other crimes, this scumbag had the chance to pay a small fine (comparatively) and walk away clean to continue his scumbag ways. He needs to get raped in the jail a few times...then given the choice again. He's been playing this innocent game for far too long and he's not as cute nor charming to the rest of the world as he is to the kids he's scamming just take dirty picture of... He's just a pervert who makes money taking dirty pictures and thinks he will beat the rap by playing the victim...


Like I said before, I am NOT a fan at all, but this is about due process. Besides this is about a civil case, not a crminal case.

ben45750 12-08-2007 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy
If these were your relatives who were CONNED/COERCED to do what basically comes down to child porn / delinquency of a minor and all other sorts of other crimes

I can tell you from my own personal experience that spring break is not a place were innocent boys and girls gather to discuss Bible hymns and drink Koolaid, so I don't buy your idea "what if it was your relative who was conned/coerced" instead ask why these parents were so naive to what their daughters were doing? There are two reasons why young adults go to Florida for spring break, get drunk and get...... well you can fill in the blank.

But seriously Fozzy, read the link I posted and read his legal story. I agree his not a saint but he doesn't deserve what he's getting.

Fozzy 12-08-2007 08:01 AM

So that makes it legal? WOW!

Fozzy 12-08-2007 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Ridge Runner

Originally Posted by Fozzy
No reason? If these were your relatives who were CONNED/COERCED to do what basically comes down to child porn / delinquency of a minor and all other sorts of other crimes, this scumbag had the chance to pay a small fine (comparatively) and walk away clean to continue his scumbag ways. He needs to get raped in the jail a few times...then given the choice again. He's been playing this innocent game for far too long and he's not as cute nor charming to the rest of the world as he is to the kids he's scamming just take dirty picture of... He's just a pervert who makes money taking dirty pictures and thinks he will beat the rap by playing the victim...


Like I said before, I am NOT a fan at all, but this is about due process. Besides this is about a civil case, not a crminal case.


Ridge Runner 12-08-2007 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy

Originally Posted by Ridge Runner

Originally Posted by Fozzy
No reason? If these were your relatives who were CONNED/COERCED to do what basically comes down to child porn / delinquency of a minor and all other sorts of other crimes, this scumbag had the chance to pay a small fine (comparatively) and walk away clean to continue his scumbag ways. He needs to get raped in the jail a few times...then given the choice again. He's been playing this innocent game for far too long and he's not as cute nor charming to the rest of the world as he is to the kids he's scamming just take dirty picture of... He's just a pervert who makes money taking dirty pictures and thinks he will beat the rap by playing the victim...


Like I said before, I am NOT a fan at all, but this is about due process. Besides this is about a civil case, not a crminal case.




I'm sorry, but was there something you wanted to add?

ben45750 12-08-2007 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy
So that makes it legal? WOW!

No I don't, but you are trying to paint the picture of a bunch of innocent girls that were conned and coerced and thats not the case.

Fozzy 12-08-2007 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by ben45750

Originally Posted by Fozzy
So that makes it legal? WOW!

No I don't, but you are trying to paint the picture of a bunch of innocent girls that were conned and coerced and thats not the case.

Really? Even if they WANTED to go take dirty pictures.. it's still a crime and of course illegal.. when the people defend parasites like this, its just shows the level that the country has dropped too... Bring on the Muslims.. maybe they are making sense after all :roll:

So if you talk a drunk minor into taking nude photo's profit.. this is now some sort of "right" to be defended as if somehow some civil right has been infringed upon? Please! Just as I also am not trying to paint ALL these kids as innocent victims... to try and portray this leech as a victim of anything but his own greed is laughable! Not to mention pathetic.

ben45750 12-08-2007 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy
Bring on the Muslims.. maybe they are making sense after all :roll:

I would bet 2974 people would disagree with you?

I'm sorry CAD for posting this. I should have known better than to post something you would actually have to read before coming to a conclusion.

Fredog 12-08-2007 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by ben45750

Originally Posted by Fozzy
Bring on the Muslims.. maybe they are making sense after all :roll:

I would bet 2974 people would disagree with you?

I'm sorry CAD for posting this. I should have known better than to post something you would actually have to read before coming to a conclusion.

the thing is, what you read was written by Joe Francis. it isnt fact, it's his side of the story, because you choose to believe him doesnt make everyone else dumb, it just means you believe his story, that doesnt mean the rest of us have to believe him

COLT 12-08-2007 10:03 AM

CUT & PASTE.....

Panama City officials seized Francis’ private jet and announced in a press release that a "quantity of cocaine" had been found on the plane. This claim, as well as many others made by the Sheriff’s Department, turned out to be completely false.


Why was the judge, a former law partner of a lawyer representing the girls who lied about their ages, not disqualified from the case?

Why has Joe Francis been refused bail, when defendants charged with far worse crimes (like OJ Simpson and Phil Spector) are allowed to walk free?

Why did Florida District Attorney Steve Meadows allegedly commit a second degree felony in an attempt to keep Francis behind bars?


Sounds like he wasn't SMART enough to PAY off the Elected Officials....

ben45750 12-08-2007 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Fredog
the thing is, what you read was written by Joe Francis. it isnt fact, it's his side of the story, because you choose to believe him doesnt make everyone else dumb, it just means you believe his story, that doesnt mean the rest of us have to believe him



Originally Posted by Fredog
what about the tape with joe telling the girls to lie about their age? oh yea lets not let the facts get in the way.
maybe you could start a joe francis fan club

So who made that comment? Was it Bubba or Howard?

Yes I read his side, I also read the prosecution's side and what the media portrayed. Obviously you didn't because you couldn't the broadside of a barn with your little fact about him telling the girls to lie.

ben45750 12-08-2007 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by COLT
CUT & PASTE.....

Panama City officials seized Francis’ private jet and announced in a press release that a "quantity of cocaine" had been found on the plane. This claim, as well as many others made by the Sheriff’s Department, turned out to be completely false.


Why was the judge, a former law partner of a lawyer representing the girls who lied about their ages, not disqualified from the case?

Why has Joe Francis been refused bail, when defendants charged with far worse crimes (like OJ Simpson and Phil Spector) are allowed to walk free?

Why did Florida District Attorney Steve Meadows allegedly commit a second degree felony in an attempt to keep Francis behind bars?


Sounds like he wasn't SMART enough to PAY off the Elected Officials....

copy paste,copy paste,copy paste,copy paste,

The story begins in Panama City, Florida in 2003. Panama City is a small, conservative town of 36,000 people. It is situated in the northern panhandle of Florida, in what is referred to as the heart of the “Bible Belt” region of the United States. Coincidentally, it is also a top Spring Break destination. As background, Girls Gone Wild is one of the hottest entertainment lifestyle brands around. The company has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on national TV advertising, and is well known for its unscripted reality and lifestyle videos featuring college-aged girls getting naked and “going wild.” The Girls Gone Wild brand has become synonymous with Spring Break.

Girls Gone Wild planned a live Pay Per View event in South Padre Island, Texas during spring break with Vince McMahon and the WWE. To promote it, a then 29 year old Joe Francis said in numerous TV appearances that it would be live from Panama City, Florida, South Padre Island, and Cancun. When Panama City Beach Mayor Lee Sullivan publicly announced that he would shut down the GGW event, calling Francis "scum-sucking trash", Francis proclaimed it was his First Amendment right to film Girls Gone Wild in Panama City and said he would do it anyway. The mayor of Panama City and Joe Francis participated in a widely publicized TV debate on Fox News Channel’s The Greta Van Susteren show. During this debate, it was alleged that Girls Gone Wild was an organized crime ring engaging in racketeering (RICO) with Francis heading it. The mayor also told Francis that if he stepped foot in his town he would be arrested. Francis then replied to the mayor that "you can come arrest me" but he wasn't breaking the law. Francis was not worried because Girls Gone Wild has been filming for years all over the United States without incident. (Video of March 7, 2003 Greta Van Susteren Show - The Mayor of Panama City vs. Joe Francis; Transcript of March 7, 2003 Greta Van Susteren Show)

When the crew arrived in 2003 for Spring Break in Panama City to shoot Girls Gone Wild they were harassed by local law enforcement. In response to this, Girls Gone Wild and Francis filed a First Amendment lawsuit to prohibit the town officials from interfering with the filming. In the First Amendment lawsuit Girls Gone Wild and Francis sued the city, as well as Mayor Lee Sullivan, Bay County Sheriff Guy Tunnel, and the Panama City Chief of Police Robert Harding, individually and in their official capacities. Local TV stations broadcast images of these individuals being served with papers. The law firm that represented Panama City, as well as the officials individually, was Harrison, Sale, McCloy, and Thompson, this becomes important later in the story. Panama City was forced to back off and settled Francis’ lawsuit.

Fredog 12-08-2007 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by ben45750

Originally Posted by Fredog
the thing is, what you read was written by Joe Francis. it isnt fact, it's his side of the story, because you choose to believe him doesnt make everyone else dumb, it just means you believe his story, that doesnt mean the rest of us have to believe him



Originally Posted by Fredog
what about the tape with joe telling the girls to lie about their age? oh yea lets not let the facts get in the way.
maybe you could start a joe francis fan club

So who made that comment? Was it Bubba or Howard?

Yes I read his side, I also read the prosecution's side and what the media portrayed. Obviously you didn't because you couldn't the broadside of a barn with your little fact about him telling the girls to lie.

they played the tape on the news

Fredog 12-08-2007 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by ben45750

Originally Posted by Fredog
the thing is, what you read was written by Joe Francis. it isnt fact, it's his side of the story, because you choose to believe him doesnt make everyone else dumb, it just means you believe his story, that doesnt mean the rest of us have to believe him



Originally Posted by Fredog
what about the tape with joe telling the girls to lie about their age? oh yea lets not let the facts get in the way.
maybe you could start a joe francis fan club

So who made that comment? Was it Bubba or Howard?

Actually Howard and Bubba were both on his side

Yes I read his side, I also read the prosecution's side and what the media portrayed. Obviously you didn't because you couldn't the broadside of a barn with your little fact about him telling the girls to lie.


chuck3507 12-08-2007 03:27 PM

I AM NOT A FAN OF JOE FRANCIS. This is just a matter of his right to due process. Wha happened to the right to a fair and speedy trial.

Fozzy 12-09-2007 02:02 AM


Originally Posted by chuck3507
I AM NOT A FAN OF JOE FRANCIS. This is just a matter of his right to due process. Wha happened to the right to a fair and speedy trial.

He gave that up in an attempt to look cute or smart.. now he can eat jail food and wish he'd not forced the issue.

Fredog 12-09-2007 02:27 AM

I have said all I am going to say on this subject, there are plenty of other things to argue about
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ben45750 12-09-2007 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Fredog
I have said all I am going to say on this subject, there are plenty of other things to argue about
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Originally Posted by Fredog
what about the tape with joe telling the girls to lie about their age? oh yea lets not let the facts get in the way.
maybe you could start a joe francis fan club

I'm still waiting for that fact your claiming. Remember, the one that got in my way?

Fredog 12-09-2007 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by ben45750

Originally Posted by Fredog
I have said all I am going to say on this subject, there are plenty of other things to argue about
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Originally Posted by Fredog
what about the tape with joe telling the girls to lie about their age? oh yea lets not let the facts get in the way.
maybe you could start a joe francis fan club

I'm still waiting for that fact your claiming. Remember, the one that got in my way?


I'm waiting for a good reason to give a crap
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ben45750 12-09-2007 07:50 AM

Fozzy, how do you feel about Joe Francis's rights being violated by the state of Florida?


Originally Posted by Fozzy Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:48 pm
This is ignorance of the Constitution. pure and simple. The Constitution has been amended to CLARIFY the statements in the basic document as a guard to protect minority rights. The amendments are there to insist that all adult citizens have the rights that every other adult citizen has.

Do you think it's wrong to persecute a man simply because of his affiliations and business dealings?

Originally Posted by Fozzy Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:33 pm
ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL flavor of the founding documents. ALL men/ mankind means that everyone is equal under the law, not just the majority, Clarifying the constitution is what the amendments do.

So do you feel that young women on spring break lose their inhibitions because they drink so much? or is it just poor morals? Do you think the city's that host "Spring Break" should clean up their act and not allow this to happen?


Originally Posted by Fozzy Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:17 am
You cannot even go to a public event anymore without some dumb drunken broad flipping her body parts out for the other liquored up lemmings to ogle at.

So Joe Francis is wrong for selling images or drunk young girls?


Originally Posted by Fozzy Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:39 pm
Sex is such a small portion of everyone's lives that it amazes me that people lose their friggen minds so quickly over the subject.

So you think this "Crime" has all been blown out of proportion?


Originally Posted by Fozzy Sat Feb 04, 2006
To have a CRIME there must be someones property made non-usable or there must be injury caused to another party. In this debate, this just doesn't meet the standard of a crime.

:lol:

ben45750 12-09-2007 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Fredog

Originally Posted by ben45750

Originally Posted by Fredog
I have said all I am going to say on this subject, there are plenty of other things to argue about
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Originally Posted by Fredog
what about the tape with joe telling the girls to lie about their age? oh yea lets not let the facts get in the way.
maybe you could start a joe francis fan club

I'm still waiting for that fact your claiming. Remember, the one that got in my way?


I'm waiting for a good reason to give a crap

So why all the sudden do you not give a crap? You were pretty eager to jump on this thread to tell me I was wrong and that I was ignoring the fact that he was seen on tape telling the girls to lie about their age. So you don't give a crap because you don't want to let facts get in your way?

You should have just said, I don't like the guy and he's a scumbag instead of making up things you know nothing about.

Fozzy 12-09-2007 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by ben45750
Fozzy, how do you feel about Joe Francis's rights being violated by the state of Florida?


Originally Posted by Fozzy Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:48 pm
This is ignorance of the Constitution. pure and simple. The Constitution has been amended to CLARIFY the statements in the basic document as a guard to protect minority rights. The amendments are there to insist that all adult citizens have the rights that every other adult citizen has.

Do you think it's wrong to persecute a man simply because of his affiliations and business dealings?

Originally Posted by Fozzy Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:33 pm
ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL flavor of the founding documents. ALL men/ mankind means that everyone is equal under the law, not just the majority, Clarifying the constitution is what the amendments do.

So do you feel that young women on spring break lose their inhibitions because they drink so much? or is it just poor morals? Do you think the city's that host "Spring Break" should clean up their act and not allow this to happen?


Originally Posted by Fozzy Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:17 am
You cannot even go to a public event anymore without some dumb drunken broad flipping her body parts out for the other liquored up lemmings to ogle at.

So Joe Francis is wrong for selling images or drunk young girls?


Originally Posted by Fozzy Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:39 pm
Sex is such a small portion of everyone's lives that it amazes me that people lose their friggen minds so quickly over the subject.

So you think this "Crime" has all been blown out of proportion?


Originally Posted by Fozzy Sat Feb 04, 2006
To have a CRIME there must be someones property made non-usable or there must be injury caused to another party. In this debate, this just doesn't meet the standard of a crime.

:lol:

So I get it.. you condone and support what for all intents and purposes is legally child porn. I eagerly await the pics and videos of the memorial your building in your front yard to this smut merchant...

The quotes that you busted your arse to get are really not making your argument for you especially since you used them completely out of context to THIS discussion. You just showed that you are about as low class as the scumbag you are defending.. just how many times a day DO you pleasure yourself to these images of underage girls anyway? That Barney show must really make you happy..

BIG JEEP on 44's 12-09-2007 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy
So I get it.. you condone and support what for all intents and purposes is legally child porn. I eagerly await the pics and videos of the memorial your building in your front yard to this smut merchant...

The quotes that you busted your arse to get are really not making your argument for you especially since you used them completely out of context to THIS discussion. You just showed that you are about as low class as the scumbag you are defending.. just how many times a day DO you pleasure yourself to these images of underage girls anyway? That Barney show must really make you happy..


Let's make no mistake a 17 year old girl in college who is probably almost 18 anyways is hardly a young flower of innocence lacking knowledge of the world and sexual content , But you are trying to paint the picture of innocent young "children" having their innocence taken advatage of by a pervert with a camera...Not the case A Catholic priest molesting a 8 yrd boy and taking pictures = child porography /child molestation ...A permiscuous 17 yr old in college is hardly an innocent child ,and is hardly a victim when she decides to act out like herself infront of a camera with the knowledge of being filmed on spring break . I'm just having a hard time with associating college aged girls who run around screwing ,drinking ,And doing drugs freely on spring break as victims of "child pronography" because they willingly acted like ho's for the camera . ...And as for the guy being a smut merchant well that's not really your concern ,as you have the choice in America of not buying or watching the smut he peddles , But please don't try to put these college aged girls in light that potrays them as being innocent and unaware of their actions ... :wink:

Fozzy 12-09-2007 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by BIG JEEP on 44's

Originally Posted by Fozzy
So I get it.. you condone and support what for all intents and purposes is legally child porn. I eagerly await the pics and videos of the memorial your building in your front yard to this smut merchant...

The quotes that you busted your arse to get are really not making your argument for you especially since you used them completely out of context to THIS discussion. You just showed that you are about as low class as the scumbag you are defending.. just how many times a day DO you pleasure yourself to these images of underage girls anyway? That Barney show must really make you happy..


Let's make no mistake a 17 year old girl in college who is probably almost 18 anyways is hardly a young flower of innocence lacking knowledge of the world and sexual content , But you are trying to paint the picture of innocent young "children" having their innocence taken advatage of by a pervert with a camera...Not the case A Catholic priest molesting a 8 yrd boy and taking pictures = child porography /child molestation ...A permiscuous 17 yr old in college is hardly an innocent child ,and is hardly a victim when she decides to act out like herself infront of a camera with the knowledge of being filmed on spring break . I'm just having a hard time with associating college aged girls who run around screwing ,drinking ,And doing drugs freely on spring break as victims of "child pronography" because they willingly acted like ho's for the camera . ...And as for the guy being a smut merchant well that's not really your concern ,as you have the choice in America of not buying or watching the smut he peddles , But please don't try to put these college aged girls in light that potrays them as being innocent and unaware of their actions ... :wink:

Just because there is a market for it, it still doesn't make it legal, nor does this make the smut merchant less guilty. Just like some bar who serves underage people, they are liable under the law for serving minors. Again, you are either supporting child porn or not.. if you are making an excuse for this scumbag, you support child porn. The age is not relevant,

trux 12-09-2007 10:36 AM

The local officials didn't want Joe filming in their town and publicly made a big deal out of it.

So when Joe legally shut them down, that publicly embarrassed them.

Anyone with any brains knows that once you've done something like that, it's time to get out of town and stay out of town. Because at that point, it doesn't matter what's legal or illegal, those guys are going to get you one way or another.

On another note I find it amazing the number of people willing to abandon due process just because this arrogant a$$ is a scumbag.

BIG JEEP on 44's 12-09-2007 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by Fozzy
Just because there is a market for it, it still doesn't make it legal, nor does this make the smut merchant less guilty. Just like some bar who serves underage people, they are liable under the law for serving minors. Again, you are either supporting child porn or not.. if you are making an excuse for this scumbag, you support child porn. The age is not relevant,



You're so funny ...yes he peddles smut , but I fail to be able place him in the light of a child porographer ...How can you say he's a child pornographer ,and say "the age is not relivant" ...Please Fozzy go back to church bingo ,and rally up money to save the works from the SINNNERRS !!! :wink: :lol:


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