Its official both the house and senate no mexican trucks
 

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate voted Tuesday to ban Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways, rekindling a more than decade-old trade dispute with Mexico.
By a 74-24 vote, the Senate approved a proposal by Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., prohibiting the Transportation Department from spending money on a North American Free Trade Agreement pilot program giving Mexican trucks greater access to U.S. highways.

The proposal is part of a $106 billion transportation and housing spending bill that the Senate hopes to vote on later this week. The House approved a similar provision to Dorgan's in July as part of its version of the transportation spending bill.

Supporters of Dorgan's amendment argued the trucks are not yet proven safe. Opponents said the U.S. is applying tougher standards to Mexican trucks than to Canadian trucks and failing to live up to its NAFTA obligations.

Until last week, Mexican trucks were restricted to a commercial border zone stretching about 20 miles inside the United States, except in Arizona, where it extended 75 miles. One truck has traveled deep into the U.S. interior as part of the pilot program.

Don't hold your breath. Bush has said he will veto the bill.

Bills passed due to ignorance and political pandering should be vetoed.

Oh, so 60% of the general public(independent poll results) and bi-partisan lawmakers are ingorant. :roll:


Hmmm, I guess we should live in a dictatorship then. The last time I checked, the lawmakers are elected by the people for the people. But Bush has lost all reality with the people. Look no further than the quagmire in Iraq to figure that one out. I can't wait for the loser to leave office.

http://www.kpho.com/news/14094367/detail.html

Hopefully it stays this way and if Bush veto's (and why shouldnt he, hes a lame duck with nothing to loose execept to keep his special intrests happy), then hopefully congress can override his veto. This entire situation, very few people are for it, the will of the people is what should be done, not the will of Bush and special corporate interests.

I caught the tale end of a report this evening about the bill. One Senator said that it was not in the interest of truckers for this bill to fail. HEEEELLLOOOO!!!!!!!!! I wonder what truckers he was talking about? Mexican? :roll: It show you how out of touch some of these people are with the voters.

Pretty much. This is the same General Public who can't get enough of Britney Spears and her failed performance at the MTV music video awards.

:roll: :roll: Keep your head in the sand. The only one for this stupid program is Bush. A couple of his die hard ass kissers joined the parade, but that's no surprise.

This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants and everything to do with giving jobs to foreign workers. So long as there is at least .00001% unemployment, jobs should not be outsourced to foreign workers.

That quote was referring to the fact that U.S. drivers wont have boundless opportunities run freight into and around Mexico. You couldn't pay me enough money do drive a CMV there. Those crooked cops will be salivating for American drivers. You think lumpers are bad? Wait until you deal with Mexican cops. And no, the Mexican cops don't take com checks.

Well, be sure to let us know when you get back from Utopia.

It's called fighting for what's right. You wouldn't understand. You work for Walmart, who's done more to run businesses out of business and run manufacturing out of the country. Walmart has successfully depressed wages and benefits, all so people can buy cheap crap. And they don't understand why they have low customer approval ratings.

It kills me how they think American truckers cant wait to get into the mexican trucking market, I would rather truck in Iraq at least there you have armed escort.

Compared to whom?

No I understand perfectly, it's just that I'm educated enough to see it for what it is, ignorance and political bullshit.

Low customer approval ratings? You wouldn't know it by the amount of people we have packed in there every day.

I have news for you, don't blame Wal-Mart for wanting cheaper items. If you want somebody to blame, blame all your neighbors and yourself. We only provided what the market wanted.

As for low wages, the store I worked at has one of the highest starting payrates of any employer in town. Even the local manufacturing plants don't pay as well. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What is the starting pay? $8.00 an hour? Benefits? Insurance?

I know some of the answers. When I was in EMS in Vegas, I transported quite a few Walmart employees from the stores they worked in. They had nothing but BAD to say about pay, benefits, etc. They said Walmart provides terrible health benefits that will cost you an arm and a leg if you used it, as the co-pays and deductables were too high.

I for one never "asked" for low priced junk that falls apart quickly. My family shops at other stores who are just as competitive, such as Target, Best Buy, etc. The employees are friendlier, paid better and have better quality merchandise. Walmart store are dirty, cluttered and full of junk that doesn't last.

I have found that the majority of people who have work related accidents at our store are idiots who wouldn't be happy anywhere and think they're entitled to $10 for walking around picking their nose.

I have news for you, if you looked into it, you'd find that the merchandise you buy at Target and Best Buy are probably made at the same plants. The Best Buy store brand electronics, Insignia are made in China. As are Tru-Tech products, the Target store brand electronics lineup. It's only in your head that your paying more = higher quality. It's all psychological.

FWIW, I know plenty of people who worked for Target and Best Buy who wouldn't recommend them as an employer to their worst enemy.

Typical fozzy response. Not sure what you think was BS, as you typically have no valid rebuttal. :roll:

Well I guess I could just blame everything on the Mexicans...

RE Wallmart:

This is funny, sad, but true, all at the same time:
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/big_box_mart

That is a great video that I had thought about linking to also!!! Just about sums up what Walmart has done to this country.

Why am I not surprised that you would take that stance? :roll:
Maybe you need to move away from the border for a while so you can realize that the rest of America does not want this to happen.

Besides, if Bush vetoes it there are more than enough votes to override it. Thank God.

Sorry, the few people who bother to post on these topics in this forum and the few people who have nothing better to do than answer opinion polls aren't the "rest of America", no matter how much you've deluded yourself into believing that.

That's if congress even bothers to take another vote.

60% in indepenedent polls are against it.
75-23 Bi-Partisan vote to cut ALL funding.

I don't think it could be any clearer than that. Majority of the people and the majority of the lawmakers.

And again, it is the fear mongering from the redneck isolationist mentality that are creating the polls in the first place. Hoe many people taking these polls can describe ANY of the trucking issues? Hell most drivers don't even know half of the laws that govern them as drivers and the redneck mafia are now asking them to proclaim a difference in a topic they DO NOT UNDERSTAND in the least. Typical of the American Lemming, be afraid of things you cannot understand.

So without polling, how are supposed to gauge the sentiments of the public? Also, the polling company was an independent polling group.

Aside from the polling which you say is unreliable and false, what is to be said about the BI-PARTISAN vote to kill funding? 75-23 speaks pretty loudly to me that this isn't a one sided problem.

Clueless much? When the people being polled know NOTHING of the subject of the poll, how reliable is the poll in the first place....

Polls are the EASIEST thing to manipulate in order to get the result you want.

I hate to post bad news for the doomsdayers. But cutting funding doesnt have to stop this program, it can still be privately funded. Right now trucks are STILL coming accross the border. Even without federal funding the law still stands, mexican trucks can come accross the border.

Sheepdancer is correct. The Supreme Court ruled in 1994, that that the NAFTA agreement obligates the USA to permit long-haul Mexican trucking throughout the country. The politicians can scream , holler and strut around like they are on the side of the working people of America, but it is all show, pure BS for the upcoming elections. They sold you and your families out to special interests and corporate America years ago.
The fault is of our making. No one spoke up when it mattered.
And it is likely 75% of the crooked incumbent politicians running for re-election will be returned to office.
We will only have ourselves to blame. Again.

It still matters as with SPP and NAFTA did not include our security and having Mexican Officials or agencies coming into our Nuclear plants for doing security checks. I agree that people should have spoken up long ago. Many people are still unaware of what is going on. Government Shills want to keep it that way even when you post from government sites they still scream black helicopters and attempt to discredit people with no valuable input.

NAFTA was only the first step in what is going on. And Hemispheric Integration is only a step. But I fear that the sheeple will not awake in time to make a difference.

Goin Fer It's Wife

Typical fozzy response. Not sure what you think was BS, as you typically have no valid rebuttal. :roll:[/quote]

Please don't tax poor Fozzy by expecting an intelligent response. Fozzy needs to insult rather than debate. People that have any intelligence can see the response for what it worth.

Goin Fer It's Wife

Why cast pearls before swine? This topic and several others on the same topic was started days ago.. The topic is over, old news, tiresome. you must have just stumbled across it, or as usual, to stupid to keep up.

P.S. This charge is coming from a dimwit too stupid to have her own log in and screen name? LOL!!!!

Fozzy, your problem is you have become irrelevant.

To whom? Like anyone and anything is relevant on the internet in the first place? That's a tie between funny and pathetic.

If it wasn't for "ignorance and political pandering" we could cancel Congress and the Presidency. Neither would ever have anything to do.

I am very well aware of what is going on. There are other people on this board that are also well informed, usually the people you mock and insult.

Golf hobo and Greg and many others have expressed valid points and concerns instead of any real debate or having anything of value to add you just come up with your silly immature cartoons or statements.

Some people have a life and don't jump in just to play in a playground with shill. My point of view on the topic matter was well expressed by others.

Goin Fer It's Wife

:lol: :lol:

Goin Fer It's Wife

And your still to ignorant to create a log in? You and those like you are nothing but fifth column sappers for the terror cells.. that is a fact. Again I ask the question, if we are that evil as a country, why should we not be disbanded and destroyed? Using your kooky links and stories of how evil we are... the Jihadists are correct in every way and the Great Satan needs to perish. Have fun in that Burkha...

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