The will of the people ignored again!
 

Once again, the will of the American people and lawmakers is ignored by Bush. This is why I feel many voters are so discouraged with politics.

This Mexican truck program is not to save consumers money, like they would like you to believe. It's here to make the big companies more money. The same companies that have been falsely claiming there's a driver shortage. Funny how they also have Mexican subsidiaries. Some of these same companies the are respected here, like CFI and Schneider.

As a lifelong conservative Republican who voted for Bush twice, I can't wait until he's out of office. He's done more damage to this country and it's people than I care to admit. Not to mention the 3800 American lives he has cost this country. All to settle a score for daddy.

The Will of the People, Yada, Yada
 

It's not about Bush, think NAFTA and former President Clinton. He's the one who signed off on NAFTA. Maybe the Mexican grown fruit and vegetables will be cheaper now. Some Cali growers have already moved south. BOL

Jimmy Hoffa? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I glad you find it funny that jobs are getting sent across the border. Or do you find it funny that Bush ignored public sentiment AND bi-partisan opposition to this?

You think we have an immigration problem now? When this happens we will surely see a immediate increase of "human" cargo on those Mexican trucks.

Really, I dont see too many americans against this. The only thing I see is quite a bit of the conspiracy theory crowd making a lot of noise. Even on this board full of truck drivers, maybe 50% are against this.
Reading the facts about this plan instead of the conspiracy websites, it doesnt look like a bad idea. You hear people say things like "this is only going to make the corporations money". Well corporations are owned by the american people...the stock holders. Most people in this country invest. So if the corporations are making more money, most people are making more money.
I dont really see the difference between this and when we started allowing Canadian drivers do the same thing.
I agree, if you are a driver and almost all your freight that you pick up is at the border, this might hurt you. Otherwise, you arent going to even notice. Just like when Canadians started doing the same thing.

Maybe you this this info from the Office of Inspector General is funny.

Yep that's funny. I can't wait for the thousands of Mexican drivers that the U.S. knows NOTHING about to roam freely through the country. Some Jose can drive an 80,000 pound truck anywhere he wants, but I still have to take my shoes off in the airport. The hypocrisy of it all.

The Canadians also have strict requirements for CDL holders and drug testing. Their government is rampant with corruption either. I have no problem with Canadian drivers as they have as good of a training program as we do here in the US. But everyone knows that the Mexican government is corrupt with drug cartels running the politicians. Anybody can be paid off there, including the police.

How is Mexico part of NAFTA?? They are in Central America not North America, I don't see no "C" in that NAFTA. North America only compromises of us and Canada and always has.

I would agree with you about the quality of the mexican trucks and drivers except for one thing. Mexican trucks have already been coming over here for quite a long time and staying within that 20 mile zone. They havent caused any problems at all. The same arguments you see now were all said before that was allowed. None of those things happened.
From what i have read on "official sites" about this plan. Not only will the mexican drivers and their trucks be held to the same standards and laws as our own trucks. 100% of them will be inspected. Just looking at our own trucking companies on SAFESTAT. its scary how many of our own trucks fail inspections and cause accidents on our roadways. Not too mention the recent study I saw that showed 14% of american drivers would fail hair drug tests. The fact that 100% of the mexican trucks are going to be hard core inspected and their drivers looked at, it just might turn out that those mexican trucks might be safer than our own.

Do you know how many inspectors would be required to inspect 100 percent? Hundreds at each border crossing. That's not going to happen. Again here's a quote from the OIG about that.

Know your facts.

I doubt the Mexicans are going to be looked at closely, at least not for long. Maybe a little "dog and pony show" for the media and concerned citizens.
The big winners will be the companies employing the Mexicans and the big box stores with considerbly less cost in shipping. But don't think they are going to lower their prices to you. They will not. You will probably be paying more, same as always. Corporate profits and CEO pay are paramount.
Border security is so lax now, wait till the interest dies down. Then who knows what all will be shipped in. Drugs for certain, human cargo, weapons, who knows because no one is going to check.
Question is, are the Mexican companies going to be required to carry American liability insurance? When one of the Mexican trucks slaughters a family of 4 on the highway, who is going to pay? Will the driver and/or company be held to the same accountability standards as some unfortunate American drivers and companies have, or simply be allowed to flee back to Mexico?
Time will tell on the issue, but it doesn't bode well for the average American trying to make their living or get a start in a difficult industry.

Central and North American are divided at the Mexican border with Guatemala and Belize. Perhaps you should have paid more attention in your World Geography class. ;)

And since when is Jimmy "my daddy was a crook" Hoffa's and the Teamsters Union's opinion the "will of the people">

Well then sorry guys, my Geography teacher was wrong then. Was always taught that Mexico was part of Central America. :oops: 8) Guess that's what you get when your school system pays the lowest of the state and pretty much the nation, the bottom of the barrel teachers who never went to college. Then again some of my college professors were airheads......

the big companies do not wave the american flag they wave the almighty dollar

"In God We Trust, all others pay cash" We are one nation under the dollar.....boo hoo hoo.

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Stop your whining about the Mexicans coming. You all knew they were coming. If you don't like it, go find another career, before they take that one too.

Welcome, my Mexican brothers. And Sheepdancer, you should be happy....I understand you know alittle spanish.....recruiting should be easy. Think "BIG BONUS>>>STOCK OPTIONS".

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Actually. it wasn't Bill....................:lol:

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[quote="Part Time Dweller"] Actually. it wasn't Bill....................:lol:

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Please dont confuse us with the facts

Sorry. :oops: I forgot. :lol:

Talk about knowing your facts....

The teamsters were against drug testing..

And what percentage of American trucks are inspected? Of course you would support a program to inspect 100 percent of all trucks going into the different states?

So was just about everyone else, what is your point :?

Uhh,, could it have been one of the main points some doofus was ragging about?

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Doesn't matter if Bush signed it, Bill Clinton actively supported the ratification, something that wouldn't have taken place if he hadn't campaigned for it AS PRESIDENT. That's a FACT.

People conveniently forget that little part of history.

People also forget that politicians only care about the special interest groups thatfund their campaigns. It doesn't matter if it's Bill Clinton or George Bush! Big business is going to give them what they want, $$$$$$$$$$!! This is coming from a political science major. The university I went to had a VERY liberal bias. But, when it came down to it, Machiavelli made it clear that an honest politician would lose everytime!!

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OK let's talk FACTS.

(1) Bush SR. fast tracked it on August 12, 1992. Signed it on December 17, 1992.
(2) Clinton promised to review the agreement, which he considered inadequate.
(3) Clinton did not alter the original agreement, but complemented it with The North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation and The North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation.
(4) Passed the house by 234-200 (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor).
(5) Passed the U.S. Senate passed it by 61-38.
(6) Clinton signed the legislation into law (P.L. 103-182) on December 8, and the agreement took effect January 1, 1994.

See: www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=201740&DID=223558
Here is some real facts.

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Naa, we wont be using mexican drivers. We already move freight through mexico and accross the border. We just use the rails.
And yes, im always for things that will make the market go up.

This illegal immigrant crap is going to RUIN america just watch.Jobs are getting harder and harder to get each day because the employerswill hire immigrants for much cheaper $$$$$ then americans in general.This is the same situation that happened with the african americans back in the day.Watch it will happen.We the white people are the minority anymore and get the bottom of the barrell.How many trucks leaving Mexico will be hauling illegals back with them??? ALOT will the DOT check every truck?? NOPE!!!!!! Take action

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What does this thread and truck driving have to do with illegal aliens? Those mexican drivers arent illegal, nor are they immigrants. Illegal aliens have absolutely nothing to do with the trucking industry, nor are they taking truck drivers jobs.
Dont get me wrong, I dont think we are doing near enough about the illegal alien problem. However, if you lose your job to an unskilled illegal alien for less pay. Face it, you werent that skilled in the first place. Almost all the jobs that illegal aliens are taking are jobs that our own poor wouldnt want to do. Go into any low income neighborhood and you will see a bunch of people sitting around doing nothing. You cant tell me that those people couldnt get busy and start picking grapes. Givin the choice, any employer would rather hire a low paid unskilled american, over an low paid unskilled illegal. Our own people need to get off their lazy butts and start doing the work and the illegals wouldnt have any work to do here.

Why does this topic always bring out those who tromp around in the middle of the night wearing bedsheets and pillowcases on their heads. Half of these jackasses can't find the USA on a world map.

They're the U.S. Americans that Miss South Carolina was referring to. You know the ones who don't have it like South Africa and the Iraq?

Well its been interesting reading all this BUT we don't really know whats going to happen till it happens though I'm willing to bet whatever happens will be completely different than what both sides are arguing. First off the program has not been funded by congress and how the FMCSA is going about it is p###ing several congress critters off, I see budgets being cut. Now we all know that all those trucks crossing over will not be inspected but there are LEO's all over the country who will stop, inspect and OOS any truck even slightly out spec if it has a foreign license plate. Next these new drivers will be going to wonderful new places like Chicago and Atlanta(Atlanta PD will love this) and meetiing with our great American demolition derby called rush hour. That of course brings me to my last point, wrecks, and there will be some dandies which our loving ratings hungry news media will put at the top of the news time and sensationalize big time, you think they abuse truckers in accident reporting, wait till you see what they do to Mexican truckers. That brings us full circle back to the FMCSA and the congress, with the feces striking the rotary air impellers at a high rate of speed the inhabitants of all those legislative seats will be struck by the aforesaid feces will naturally react like they usually do and over-react. Then congressional hearings will ensue for the DOT and FMCSA to explain how this all happened, gallows will be set up on the national mall and a fun time will be had by all.

The traffic jams in and around the Mexico City area make Chicago and Atlanta look like a cakewalk. :wink:

Ah, but in Mexico city You don't have a woman driving an urban assault vehicle talking on the cell phone, reading the newspaper and applying her make all at once. And oh yeah, honking and flipping the finger at people she (very) occasionally notices are occupying the same road as her.

You'd be suprised how many Mexicans drive just like that.

Maybe 50% against it? Check the results! 78% against it, and 22% for it, including you, and you're NOT a driver. That's how accurate your information is.
Distorting the facts, as always, eh? :wink:

And where are you getting YOUR results?

This poll is from April on Consumer Reports website.

A new poll released by the groups today and conducted by the nonpartisan Lake Research Partners found that a majority of Americans (56 percent) believe the Bush administration's plan to allow Mexico-domiciled trucks to travel outside the current commercial zone and throughout the United States is dangerous.

Majority agreement that this is dangerous for U.S. drivers transcends gender, age, political identification and region. Notably, self-identified independents (60 percent) are most likely to agree that the Bush proposal is dangerous, though majorities of Democrats (54 percent) and Republicans (58 percent) concur.

It just means they like a lot of characters around here are uninformed reactionary, ignorant or just plain bigoted. Now ask them to describe what is dangerous..(things that they have not been spoon fed of course) that ought to be funny!!!!