Re: The Will of the People, Yada, Yada
 

Re: The Will of the People, Yada, Yada
 

No, he's correct. All Bush Sr. did was sign the "agreement to agree". NAFTA had no power until it was ratified by the legislature, something Clinton campaigned and pushed for. Had it not been for Clinton, NAFTA probably wouldn't have been ratified.

Get YOUR facts straight.

That's a lot different than "78%".

Re: The Will of the People, Yada, Yada
 

Re: The Will of the People, Yada, Yada
 

Exactly true. Do some research.

Continental was referring to the poll above. Sheepdancer made the remark that half the drivers on this board were for this Mexican project. Continental was pointing out it was 78 percent against.

31 people voting on this forum is hardly proof of anything. That's .25% of the forums registered users. A QUARTER of a percent!

There inlies the problem with "random sampling".

Re: The Will of the People, Yada, Yada
 

And of course Al Gore broke the tie to get it in...

Re: The Will of the People, Yada, Yada
 

READ HIS POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Even on THIS BOARD full of truck drivers, maybe 50%............ :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Just the automatic reply from the Company Men. :roll:

OK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which poll is NOT random sampling?
DUH!!!!!!!!! :?

How about one with a little more of an objective polling group?

Well the one from Consumer Reports shows 56 percent of Americans are opposed to the Mexican project should suffice. Here it is again-

A new poll released by the groups today and conducted by the nonpartisan Lake Research Partners found that a majority of Americans (56 percent) believe the Bush administration's plan to allow Mexico-domiciled trucks to travel outside the current commercial zone and throughout the United States is dangerous.

Majority agreement that this is dangerous for U.S. drivers transcends gender, age, political identification and region. Notably, self-identified independents (60 percent) are most likely to agree that the Bush proposal is dangerous, though majorities of Democrats (54 percent) and Republicans (58 percent) concur.

Hmmmmmm... :roll: Where do you find this objective polling group?
Can you actually be objective? I'm really not trying to pick a fight here,
but isn't objective ignorant? How can you be objective of something that
has an impact on you? Convince me, I have an open mind!
!

BTW, last I've checked, 56% was a majority. :lol:

Some people are in total denial when it comes to how badly this is going to hurt our industry. Every single load coming and going from Laredo will be driven by Mexican drivers now. Drivers that have no log book until they enter the US. Drivers that have been going for 12 hours in Mexico and gets a start fresh at the border, because he tells the inspectors he's been resting in his sleeper for the last 12 hours. You can bet there's no one on the Mexican side checking hours. And if there were, all you'd have to do is pay him off like any other cop in Mexico.

But just wait, there will be a massive accident that kills someone in the US by one of these guys. And all hell will break loose and those same people who kept their heads in the sand will be screaming for congressional hearings and filing lawsuits.

Actually, there are HOS in Mexico.

From another forum:

When you are talking about the general public polls on this, THEY DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING about the topic at hand! They are reacting to the words Mexican trucks and the media hysteria and sensational reporting of the press. When you are polling an internet discussion board full of people in the community, your not much further away from the hysterics of the general public.

Has any body thought about this, all these drivers coming north are gonna have to be english speakers because we do not use the International road signs which are symbol based and used all over the world except the US and Australia(I think). A majority of our signs are written like MERGE LEFT, SHOULDER CLOSED,and .....so on. Also Mexico uses metrics and not our foot and lbs unless I am mistaken. Drove for 20 years in Europe and lots of American tourists have gotten theirselves into serious trouble because of their ignorance of the international road signs. My German wife really had to watch it when she got here because she was still learning English and some of our signs can be pretty confusing for someone who doesnt speak the language.

Are you serious? I have been pulled over for "speeding" in Mexico. I was doint the speed limit. I was told to pony up $40 cash or I would be taken to jail. Do you think that money was turned in? Doubtful. There are thoudands of stories like this from tourists who go to Mexico. Bunch of corrupt cops. Their bribed by anyone willing to pay them to look the other way. I'm sure HOS is no exception.

You mean like the laws here where some low life driver gets to write off moving violations into other less serious offenses so they can keep polluting the highway? Dream on!

i dont think the canadians will haul as cheap as the mexicans.
i know alot of our big limber mills are are scrapped and removed because they cannot compete with the canadian government. for some reason the "world court" believes canada is entitled to half our lumber market.
the canadian born drivers are excellant and have good equipment and an effective dot
who is profitting from nafta?
mex trucking is not in the same league as the us and canada

How long have you driven for a Mexican trucking company to make the assessment?

i see the rcruiters for the greedy trucking companies are all for the labor day slap in the face and dont appreciate the efforts the teamsters have made for the otr drivers.
just use these mega carriers for experience and get a good job

ive seen them on the border ramming that trailer in the hole repeatedly to make it fit and replaced the missing lights and tires. its just wonderful

You must have missed my post about the UNIONS suing the US Government for warning employers about hiring illegals... The teamsters are less that an unbiased source and of course they are a huge pyramid scam. The union drivers have been screwing their less senior "brothers" for years.

Ever been to any of the port cities or Coal Country to see some of the stellar operations there?

Oh, please do elaborate. This should be rich.

I thought I was being "ignored" by you? :P

Look up pyramid schemes and how they work and then get back with me on this. The few at the top make deals using the "chaff" at the bottom of the boards. They cut their brother's throats until there are no more throats to be cut.

i hope that ata throws you bone sometime. they wont need you soon. i wont work for a big company that wants to exploit these mexican truckers and i hope they get what they pay for.

They probably will... then what will you do and who's fault will it be then? Some you you people sound like you're ready to stick your heads in the oven... (Hint: electric ovens won't work)

Many countries in Europe require you to pay the officer on the spot for speeding fines. Italy is renowed for that. Are they corrupt as well?

Not the point. Corruption is rampant in every level of government. There is no one that can't be bribed in Mexico, especially the cops.

The point I was trying to make was he "caught" me speeding with no radar gun and pulled out of a side street right behind me. When I asked to see his non-existant radar, he said "gringos who want to see the radar go to jail." I was then told that I would "have to pay cash to leave." I offered $20 and he said more. I offered $40 and he took it and left. There was nothing on the up and up about what this crooked cop was doing. I've heard many other first hand stories about cops extorting Americans in Mexico.

So, no their HOS or whatever it's called is a joke and we all know the crooked cops will be paid to look the other way.

But we'll all be happy when JB Hunt, Schneider and Celadon haul goods across from Mexico with Mexican drivers for .10 cpm. Those are just the few I can think of that have Mexican subsidiaries.

Now in all reality, freight can come from Mexico to Canada and never be driven by an American. The Mexican will take it to the Canadian border and relay it to a Canadian. 1500 miles through America with no American driver ever touching it.

As is most of the system here anymore.. Everytime the topic of DOT comes up, there are crybabies here who insist that the DOT does the same thing here.. are they lying?

And go to the archives here and find a thread where the drivers here are all following the HOS ... HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!, The disdain and non compliance of the HOS here makes your point just plain childish!

so what if they do.. hauling freight across Mexico is not an issue here. Beside the fact that these comically low figures that some of you spit out or regurgitate are usually pulled out of your butts.

So.. there are probably Canadian companies that will do the same thing.

So If im to understand all of this right. You people dont want mexican drivers over here because they MIGHT be on drugs, run over hours and drive unsafe trucks. I can see your argument. They might take some of the work away from our americans who MIGHT be on drugs, run over hours and drive unsafe trucks.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Bush has what....18 month's..to complete the North American Union.

I firmly believe if Mexico and Canada are both folded into the United States, we will be better off. That way...any driver who wanted to could go to the Nrthern Provinces and drive on the Ice Roads. We would not have an "Illegal Alien" problem with Mexicans, because they would automatically become citizens. No need for Border Patrol in the north, so all those agent could be transfered to the south. Now...that border has been greatly reduced as regards distance, so with the transfer of Border Patrol Agent's from all 3 "former" nations, to the southern border..we have a decent chance of reducing the "Illegal Alien" problem to say...5 an hour, from the hundred's that cross per hour now.

Drugs? Might as well just make them all legal. That way, taxes will be paid by the user's. If the "Poor" can not pay taxes, then we just throw them in a prison. Mexico has plenty of open spaces, so remodeling their prison system, to accomodate the "Poor" won't be a problem.

Now..Canada & Mexico are "Non-death Penalty" regions...so..does the "Old" US of A put an end to using the "Death Penalty"..or do Canada and Mexico, become supporter's??

Our Congress people will have plenty of teachers (from "Old" Mexico), whom will be able to assist them in learning how to better accept larger bribes. Of course...will Canadian law makers be able to make the transition to "Bribery"

Now...we lower class truckdriver's and store clerk's, as "peon's", are going to have to learn to live a more frugal life-style. Of course we will have the lower class from "Old" Mexico to assist us in the learning proccess. Do you think that the Corporate leaders will be willing to reduce the cost of living, to give us all a "fair" chance to live a decent life?
After all...someone is gonna have to do the commoner jobs..like haul the product from the port's, plants & factories, to the store shelves, so the "Superior" class can maintain their current lifestyle!!!!


Hey...it worked for the Soviets didn't it?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

We dont or wont be using mexican truckdrivers. Yes, we haul freight though and from mexico already. However, we use the rails. Thats not going to be changing.

Folks, repeat after me, there is no "North American Union" in the works that means that the US, Canada and Mexico will become operating as one country under one government.

I love to listen to conspiracy theories for a while, but this is a perfect example of one that has gone entirely too far. Plain and simple, and it is nothing more than that.

I love how Bush gets the blame for all of this when he is simply following the actions agreed to in the terms of NAFTA. Everyone cries, "well the will of the American people was spoken in HR 1773 and Bush ignored it...". How do you expect W to act on something that has never even reached his desk? There is a process involved in which that resolution would have to go through the Senate before it would ever even reach the Oval Office. Why is it not a huge conspiracy by the Senate to squash the will of the American public since Bush has never been given the opportunity to even act on this resolution? Does anyone have the slightest clue as to how many resolutions are passed by the House and then die on the Senate floor before they even come before the President?

IMO, this is nothing more than a bunch of people getting all worked up over nothing. They choose to get their education from America's Truckin Network, the Teamsters and OOIDA (which is short for "Teamsters for Owner Operator's). The jobs of these people are to get you worked up, it improves their ratings and increases their membership which makes more money for them.

NAFTA was first broached by Jimmy Carter, tossed around a little by Reagan (who at the time had bigger fish to fry), was worked out by Bush SR (thanks to the work of Reagan, he had more time on his hands). Clinton claimed to hate it and campaigned that he would kill the deal while he was running for the office. Then in the first year of his presidency he complimented on it that it was great for America, signed it into law without removing anything that SR had agreed to and continued to be a bigger proponent of the Agreement than any President before him. It was the first (and IMO, only) significant result from his Presidency. Bush comes along and the rent is due, he has to take action to follow the terms of the agreement so he does. Nothing more, nothing less. My guess is that Al Gore or John Kerry would have done the same thing.

I'm a huge supporter of Bush, I wished he could serve 8 more years. I don't agree with everything he's done, but I do with most. His policies have been great for the economy during a time when we certainly had multiple opportunities to falter. I'm better off than I was 10 years ago, everyone I know is better off. The economy is thriving, unemployment is at an all time low (yet the Help Wanted section is 20 pages long) and the median income continues to rise. So spare me the crap about how all the new jobs are minimum wage. The GDP and the markets are flourishing. All in all, it's a great time to be an American!

I'm also a huge supporter of Fred Thompson. What amazes me is that people can support him and bash Bush to no end. When you study the issues and where each of them stands, it's almost like looking at twins. They are both men of conviction and faith, who will stand their ground and do what is in the best interest of the country, regardless of the opinion of the largely uneducated public. We can have a great politician, who talks out of both sides of their mouth and accomplishes nothing like we had in the 8 years preceding Bush or we can have one who takes a stand, makes a decision and sticks to their guns. It's pretty much impossible to get both.

I'll leave the same standing bet I've offered before. Let the Mexican trucks roll in and in 10 years if there is still not hundreds of companies where I can go and make far more than 15 cpm, I'll buy you a steak dinner...

Scary mexican truck picture

http://www.tmm.com.mx/esp/english/se...es/Trailer.jpg

Actaully, looking at TMM, mexicos largest transportation company. It looks like a very well run company. Nice trucks, very profitable and pays their employees pretty well by mexican standards. Their containers have been going trough our country for years and you always see their trucks down in south texas. They dont seem to be causing any problems.