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I'm not impressed by your theatrics. Neither am I surprised at your lack of a credible argument. Sheepdancer said: Quote:
If what you said about NOT having Mexican subsidiaries that operate TRUCKS is true, when the Mexican trucking companies that follow the pilot program FLOOD the country with cheap labor, again I ask.... HOW many contracts will JB Hunt lose? As a result, how many drivers will be "layed off?" And with more drivers than freight, WHY would they need to keep you on as a recruiter? So.... you LOSE that big salary you are currently making, but hey.... no problem... you can live off your stocks! :roll: Maybe it's just ME.... but I would think that YOU profit MOST from an abundance of freight and a shortage of drivers. If that pendulum swings.... YOU are not needed! An "invasion" of the U.S. trucking marketplace by Mexican companies with much lower overhead, will lead to lower freight costs, a surplus of companies willing to haul it cheaply, more drivers than you can shake a stick at, and NO NEED for recruiters! Your company will HAVE to (once again) lower their pay rate in CPM, and lose drivers. Those drivers will no longer be able to pay into a stock purchase plan. (So, your pathetic response is anemic on the face of it.) And when, AND IF, the U.S. freight hauling market is opened up to these cutthroat Mexican companies, what do you think will disappear first? General Freight (which makes up what? HALF of your company?) and Dedicated accounts (which makes up the other half!) Small companies like MINE, who have a "niche" market MAY survive. As I said recently, Sheepdancer, I respect you and enjoy the informative nature of your posts. I have even learned a few things (or at least had cause to consider them) from some of your posts. I did not ACCUSE you of being part of the exploitation of Amercian workers, though I insinuated that your responses lately smacked of it. That was meant to feel you out and see where your loyalties lay. Your responses have disappointed me. No problem. I have never been one to erect pedestals or worship idols. You're no LESS a human, nor MORE a GOD, than I am! But, I expected a little MORE from you. That's all. You're "excused" now. I'm sure you have a stack of paperwork to shuffle. HOBO |
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It never ceases to amaze me how folks will make statements referencing illegal immigrants in regards to the Pilot Program issue and then try to refute that once it's pointed out to them that these are two entirely different issues.
Folks, they are not going to flip a switch and make it legal for all US companies to employ illegal immigrants for 15 cpm just because we allowed the conditions set forth in NAFTA to be put into action. It is not going to happen. Keep up the conspiracy theories. Keep crying in your beer that you're going to lose your job. Keep screaming at the top of your lungs that Bush and his corporate friends are selling out the American people to dissolve the US into a North American Union. Keep doing all these things and you'll keep getting what you've got so far, which is to be largely ignored (and higher BP to boot). I keep hearing 11 cpm, 15 cpm, etc... thrown around in these discussions, but those folks need to check their facts. The bottom line is that once they get here, they do not work for less money than Americans do whether they are illegal or not. Check with anyone who has ever been involved with illegal immigrants such as the construction or farming industries. They pay them the same as they would a US worker, but the difference is they actually show up for work (for a while anyway). Usually after a while they become "Americanized" and catch on to the system. They shack up with some fat chick who couldn't land any other suitors, they proceed to have 6 kids and kick back to live off welfare. Immigrants, whether illegal or not, do not come here to earn the same wages they could earn in their home country. They come here for the opportunity to earn higher wages and a better way of life. Why would one risk their life sneaking into a country just to earn the same wage with a higher cost of living? Folks who buy into this garbage are just simply ignorant. They get all of their education from talk show hosts on their XM radio while they cruise back and forth across our country. Drivers can keep listening to guys like Steve Sommers who clearly benefit from the fact that you get all worked up over things like this or you can take it for what it is. We can beat the issue to death, but the Pilot Program is here, it's going to happen. What's wrong with calmly keeping an eye on things to see how it turns out? My guess is that if it's as bad as you say it will be, it will be taken to task. |
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Immigrants typically make minimum wage or less in construction jobs, have no benefits and often are not even covered under workers compensation insurance because they are illegal. I worked in EMS in Las Vegas and transported numerous illegals who had been hurt while working construction. Through interpreters, and those who speak some english, I learned first hand how little these guys actually make. But, it's light years ahead of what they would make in their native country. If you think these guys are making good money in construction, or any labor job, you've got a rude awakening coming your way. My brother-in-law who's a foreman for plumbing construction has said repeatedly that illegals suppress wages for legal workers and make almost impossible to make a living. Here's a bit of info from an article from the Arizona Republic Newspaper- Quote:
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not all make minimum. I have a friend in the construction business here, hard work, manual labor. They make $17.00, $15.00 and $14.00 per hour, CASH! No deductions.
My friend offered to get his 2 oldest workers their "green cards" to work here legally, he would pay the attorneys, expenses etc., they flately refused! They want no part of paying taxes, medicare or social security. If they get sick or injured (stabbed or shot) they simply go to the emergency room, it's free. Two recently abruptly quit him and went to work doing dry wall, less work, but still no taxes, all CASH to them. No problemo finding work. |
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We had an issue here recently where Koch Foods, just outside Cincinnati, was raided and 161 people were arrested. The management at Koch had suspected that they were employing illegals and had questioned authorities on what they could do. By law if an employer is given two forms of identification and they hire that employee it is illegal for them to question their status any further. These folks made no less than the other "American" employees and they were extended the same benefits as you or I would be. Despite the pleadings from Koch, the Butler Co. Sheriff and ICE decided to sensationalize the arrests and even called the media in advance to alert them so they could be there with cameras rolling when the illegals were brought out. Early investigation results show that Koch Foods did absolutely nothing wrong and even asked for help with the issue, but they come out of this with a huge black eye. The sheriff stated that the people arrested were from 8 different countries, in other words, they weren't all Mexican. Yet, when you turn on the radio morons spout that we gotta keep these illegal Mexicans out, they're stealing our jobs... No, they're not! My guess is that if they are paying the same wage, any employer would rather hire someone that they feel is legal over someone that they feel is not. We had an issue here locally a couple of years back where Airborne Express was raided and a few hundred were hauled away. It was the exact same scenario, they were hired at $9.50 per hour and received full benefits. I have seen countless Hispanics in tobacco patches and on produce farms in this area and even have hired a few myself in the past. I have no idea whether they were illegal or not, but what I do know is that when I did employ them it cost me 10 bucks per hour the same as it would if I hired you, but then again you weren't there asking me for the job that I needed to fill right away and they were. I have a friend who employs several Hispanics in the construction industry and he pays them $15 per hour the same as he would anyone else. In the past he was unable to accept bids because he couldn't find enough employees that were willing to work for such a "meager" income. Once again, who knows if any of these are illegal or not? Frankly, he is not allowed to investigate whether he wants to or not. I will stress that I am totally opposed to illegal immigration. I don't care who comes here, but they should come here legally. I am all for a wall going up along the border, but I certainly don't think this will solve all of our problems. We live in a time of great economic growth and jobs are more plentiful that ever before. Spare me the crap that they're stealing our jobs and driving down our wages. The facts don't support this. Even in your great state of Texas, with all of those illegals stealing your jobs, unemployment was at 4.4% as of July 2007 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. According to the US Census, the median income continues to rise. Even knowing these facts, I'm fairly sure if I picked up a Sunday paper in Austin, Dallas or Houston I would find 15-20 pages of job ads. Add all of this together and it just doesn't back up your case at all no matter if you live in Texas, Ohio or Oregon. With ALL of this being said, none of it has anything to do with the Pilot Project. They are two entirely different issues. The problem is that many folks and organizations as well are unable to seperate the two issues. The Teamsters, OOIDA and Steve Sommers offer nothing to back up the statements they make. Their answer is always, we believe it will prove detrimental... Unless they have a crystal ball, I really fail to see how they can be so sure of this. They rely on fear-mongering and preying on the ignorant to further their cause. They love situations like this because it tends to increase membership and listeners which in turn will make more money for them. The bottom line is that the jury is still out on NAFTA. None of us know what results it will bring, but we are committed to seeing it through and time will tell. So, why do people insist upon getting so worked up over it? If that's they way you want to live out your days, go right ahead. I'll be over here making good money and living fairly stress-free... |
Once again, ole Georgie Bush is threatening to veto because he isn't getting his way. Let's see, close to 60% of Americans are opposed to this in independent polls and lawmakers voted 75-23 to kill it. But Bush just doesn't get it and is determined to shove this down our throats. I can't believe I voted for this jackass twice!
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Here's how they voted yesterday. Continue to write your representatives. I've sent off strongly worded letters to the reps from Texas who voted against this bill.
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For the record.... Redsfan..... you seem like an intelligent guy. Your posts are not very inflammatory, and you are well spoken. But, that is NO SUBSTITUTE for knowing the facts, COMPREHENDING the posts before you attack them, nor "blindly" following the Political ambitions of the President with the WORST public confidence rating in American History! I EXPECT a response... but please give it MORE consideration than you have to date. I am NOT yet done with my rebuttals! :lol: HOBO [/quote] |
[quote="greg3564"]Once again, ole Georgie Bush is threatening to veto because he isn't getting his way.
Sorry got rid of all the other stuff after this line you posted Doesn't Bush have to have MORE then 1/3 of the votes to veto power. He didn't get that or did I hear the thing wrong and that want be the first time. :lol: |
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