[bentstrider]

Originally Posted by Twilight Flyer

No myth about the points. What I posted is verbatim out of the Cargo-related bucket.



Correct. There are 7 buckets, as follows.

Unsafe Driving
Fatigued Driving (Hours of Service)
Driver Fitness
Controlled Substance/Alcohol
Vehicle Maintenance
Cargo-related
Crash Indicator



And you are also correct in that points comparisons can only be compared from the same buckets. But that is with carriers only. Drivers are simply the company liability and drivers with a lot of points are not going to have a job for very long. Company gets rid of a driver with points, that qualifies for their intervention reaction and the company points go down. Driver, though, gets to keep his points, including the multipliers, for 18 months.

There is also a difference in carrier liability and driver liability, meaning that a carrier can get hit with points on an inspection and the driver be OK. Let's take a look at those buckets again.

Unsafe Driving -- 15 out of 16 are driver responsibility
Fatigued Driving (Hours of Service) -- 3 out of 3 are driver responsibility
Driver Fitness -- 15 out of 15 are driver responsibility
Controlled Substance/Alcohol -- 9 out of 11 are driver responsibility
Vehicle Maintenance -- 11 out of 13 are driver responsibility
Cargo-related -- 50 out ot 50 are driver responsibility
Crash Indicator -- subjective...no specific violations, but is actually based on driver history and patterns of high crash involvement. So it will all be on the driver.

So, 103 out of 108 potential violations are solely the driver responsibility, including ALL of the FIFTY cargo-related ones, of which I based my example solely on. Again, the difference in the carriers and drivers is that a carrier can eliminate a driver, thus eliminating the points. The driver cannot do that...he/she is stuck with those points and their multiplyer through the 18 months.

That makes it really hard to keep a job and even harder to get a new job because a new company that hires a driver, automatically inherits whatever points the driver currently has.


In the end, the program will get rid of the unsafe drivers and the fly-by-night operations. But there will be a massive amount of collateral damage, as well, and that's the fear from both drivers and companies.

So, say you're in my situation and got into an accident that's coming up on three years.
Do they retroactively factor in past accidents from that long ago, or are they going to be smart about it and just keep up with things that occur after the CSA 2010 thing goes into effect?

And also, doesn't anyone think these regs will be enforceable as an individual "state discretion"., a'la "truck-friendly state" being more lenient than a "non-truck friendly state"?

After living in California for so long, I could see the level of anti-trucker animosity going through the roof here, especially in the heavily scale-concentrated, Bay Area.

[zipy46]

CSA 2010 is not going to change the nature of trucking. :rofl:

If anything.... its going to put more owners and dispatchers in jail when one of the rigs

takes someones life.

[bentstrider]

Originally Posted by zipy46

CSA 2010 is not going to change the nature of trucking. :rofl:

If anything.... its going to put more owners and dispatchers in jail when one of the rigs

takes someones life.

Nothing wrong with that, especially with these fly-by-night operations I've dealt with since my debacle.
All run by Orange Co. CA preppies!!

[Fredog]

and it just might put dac or usis or whatever they call it this week out of business

[Twilight Flyer]

and it just might put dac or usis or whatever they call it this week out of business

Not at all. This is just another hiring expense and given time, there will be fifty different companies offering the information. Besides, CSA 2010 deals solely with driving records, not with employment records.

[Malaki86]

Correction - they deal ONLY with inspections given by a DOT officer. They have nothing to do with driving records.

You can get a speeding ticket in Smallville, USA for doing 50mph over the limit, but unless a DOT officer comes out and inspects you, it doesn't go onto the CSA information.

[chris1]

If the city/county does what is required they will forward any CMV tickets to the DOT. Even parking tickets are supposed to be forwarded. If you are ever audited you will be suprised how many of those show up.

[Twilight Flyer]

Correction - they deal ONLY with inspections given by a DOT officer. They have nothing to do with driving records.

You can get a speeding ticket in Smallville, USA for doing 50mph over the limit, but unless a DOT officer comes out and inspects you, it doesn't go onto the CSA information.

Wanna bet?

Table 1. Unsafe Driving

177.800(d) Unnecessary dealy in HM Transportation - 1 point
392.2 Failure to obey traffic control device - 5 points
392.2 Following Too Closely - 5 points
392.2 Improper Lane Change - 5 points
392.2 Improper Passing - 5 points

...and so on and so forth through 16 different violation categories. Speeding is 7th on the list...5 points.

From what I have heard at this point is that MVR's are pulled into the point system, as well. The fact that the very first table is all about moving violations, tells me that they are doing it somehow. Even failure to use your seatbelt is on it...1 point.

They ain't messing around.

[Malaki86]

I was listening to the Land Line Now program the other night when they had FMCSA officials being interviewed. THEY stated that the CSA would only count with inspections done by DOT officers. You CAN get points against you for the things you stated IF the DOT officer is the one that stopped you for that reason, then proceeded to do a truck and/or driver inspection.

[Jackrabbit379]

Originally Posted by Malaki86

I was listening to the Land Line Now program the other night when they had FMCSA officials being interviewed. THEY stated that the CSA would only count with inspections done by DOT officers. You CAN get points against you for the things you stated IF the DOT officer is the one that stopped you for that reason, then proceeded to do a truck and/or driver inspection.

Was that on Road Dog Trucking on Thursday night? I was talking to a Fed Ex driver, that I visit with when we cross trails every night. He told me about it, and I switched over. I caught the last 20 minutes or so, but it sounded confusing. :lol: :hellno: I had no idea what they were talking about, but it didn't sound good.

At first, I didn't think it would really apply to me, being local, but they were talking about points for this or that. :hellno: I better watch my P's and Q's. :lol: