Local Logging Questions

[Ridge Runner]

OK, I'm lazy tonight.

I teach OTR rules to my classes ( part time ) and I work ( full time ) with local drivers ( within 150 miles ). We do ( at work ) have a few special runs that may or may not require logging. At my full time job we have a safety Dept. that says what has to be logged and how. Some of them I think are wrong......some of them I KNOW are wrong. Please enlighten me. ;)

1) Local driver ( no logging required ) works 2 days local and then runs a run OUTSIDE the 150 mile area but will be back in the same day. Does he have to "back log" the past 7 days?

2) Local driver stays within his 150 miles BUT does cross the state line. Does he have to log?

3) Local driver reports to base "A" drives to point "B" 100 miles west for P/U. Load delivers to point "C" 80 miles east of point "A". ( Total of 180 miles from point "B" to point "C"). Can the local deliver from point "B" to point "C" without logging?

[Rev.Vassago]

1. No.

2. No.

3. Yes.

[Ridge Runner]

Thank God I'm not insane. I have been trying to beat this through the head of safety for two years now. I didn't really want to get into the reg. book and confuse myself for the sake of the guys that I teach OTR HOS rules to. It took until last year to convince the safety guy the the new rule was 150 miles not the old 100 miles. :roll3:

[golfhobo]

I think SOMEBODY needs to "revisit" this thread.

[Rev.Vassago]

Blah blah blah. More golfhobo whining.

What's your problem now?:roll:

[golfhobo]

Blah blah blah. More golfhobo whining.

What's your problem now?:roll:

Just YOU.

[Rev.Vassago]

Just YOU.
Then take it to PM, and stop filling the board with this nonsense.

[golfhobo]

Then take it to PM, and stop filling the board with this nonsense.

I have NO DESIRE to take ANYTHING to "PM" with you. YOU let Ridge Runner believe he was right about everything he has been teaching, based on YOUR faulty understanding of the "short haull" regs.

YOU need to "revisit" this thread and clear this up with Ridge, who now thinks he's NOT insane, based on YOUR agreement with his contention that he has spent 2 years arguing with his safety manager about.

UNLESS his "local" drivers are driving NON-CDL equipment.... they do NOT have an expanded 150 mile radius! YOU agreed to that on another thread, and now YOU need to make sure that Ridge is clear about YOUR mistake and HIS!

Is THAT friggin clear enough for you??? :moon:

If not.... you can take your "whining" mantra, and stick it up your friggin' ARSE! :eek2:

[Rev.Vassago]

UNLESS his "local" drivers are driving NON-CDL equipment.... they do NOT have an expanded 150 mile radius! YOU agreed to that on another thread, and now YOU need to make sure that Ridge is clear about YOUR mistake and HIS!

I don't "need" to do anything of the sort. If it's that big of a deal to you, then you do it. He asked some questions, and I gave him correct answers to those questions.

Is THAT friggin clear enough for you??? :moon:

Crystal. Now show me where I ever mentioned anything about 150 miles to Ridge (his words, not mine - and your assumptions) and show me how it would change any of the answers I gave him. Otherwise, quit whining like a little baby and find something else to do with your time other than following me around like a little dog trying to piss on my leg.

[golfhobo]

Yeah, I figured you'd mince words, duck and dodge, and find SOME way to avoid taking any responsibility for misleading ANYONE on this board! That is your modus operandi.

It should be clear to ALL now, that you are more concerned with protecting your "image" than helping members stay out of trouble. :roll:

I'm not "following you around" anywhere.... but, if I did, it wouldn't be to pizz on your leg! With the waning interest I still have for this board, I occaisionally look for interesting threads where people have questions. I can't help it that YOU usually get there first.... and give incorrect, misleading or incomplete information! :hellno:

BTW, you edited.... when I said "somebody" needed to revisit this thread.... what made you think I meant YOU instead of Ridge? :eek1:

[BTW.... check question #2 and YOUR answer. I think it might change when the correct reg is applied.]

[Rev.Vassago]

BTW, you edited.... when I said "somebody" needed to revisit this thread.... what made you think I meant YOU instead of Ridge? :eek1:

The fact that you said:


Just YOU.

I stand by the answers I gave. You're making assumptions that were never specified in the thread, and then saying I "need" to clarify those assumptions that you've made. I don't need to do anything of the sort.

Go find someone else to whine about. I'm tired of your crying.

[golfhobo]

Wow.... you can't decide whether to lock it or not! I guess when YOU have another "dig" to get in, you unlock it, eh?

FYI.... when I said "just you," I was referring to you deleting my post on the other thread!

And stand by your answers all you want..... but, #2, if the distance is > 100 miles and < 150 ..... is WRONG.

So.... I'll stop "whining" as you call it, when you stop giving bad info or advice. And when you stop acting like a ***** when someone points it out!

How in HECK does "wow, that had to hurt" even come CLOSE to a TOS violation?? The only BABY I see here, is YOU!!! Waaagh!!! :lol2:

[Rev.Vassago]

And stand by your answers all you want..... but, #2, if the distance is > 100 miles and < 150 ..... is WRONG.

The question was whether one had to log if they crossed a state line during local work that normally wouldn't require logging. The answer I gave to that question is correct, and I stand by it. Your assumption that the OP was speaking of vehicles that require a CDL is never stated by Ridge. The question as he asked it was answered 100% correct, even though you're trying to muck it up.

[wanderingson]

The question was whether one had to log if they crossed a state line during local work that normally wouldn't require logging. The answer I gave to that question is correct, and I stand by it. Your assumption that the OP was speaking of vehicles that require a CDL is never stated by Ridge. The question as he asked it was answered 100% correct, even though you're trying to muck it up.

From what I can gather in the regs, a local driver DOES have to log if going beyond a 100 air mile radius from their base. I can't find anything in the regs that specifies anything about crossing a state line or not.
Part 395.1: Hours of service of drivers - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?chunkKey=090163348002396c)

Read the "short haul" part. I think its pretty clear.
In fact, I KNOW that a driver CAN cross a state line and not have to log, if operating within 100 air mile radius. I drive for a company that does local and OTR, and they require all of our drivers to log, just to keep it simple, and because we local drivers usually go over the 100 mile radius.

I personally know drivers that work at other companies that drive local, cross the state line into IL (I'm in Milwaukee) and they do NOT have to log. That is ONLY because they operate within the 100 air mile radius.

So, I think the answer to question #2 is yes, not because of crossing a state line, but because of the 100 air mile rule.

Is my interpretation here correct?

Ok Golf and Rev, be nice!

Happy logging!

[Rev.Vassago]

So, I think the answer to question #2 is yes, not because of crossing a state line, but because of the 100 air mile rule.

Is my interpretation here correct?


No. The OP didn't specify whether it was a vehicle that required a CDL or not. He only stated that the short haul provision he was referring to was 150 miles.

But ultimately the question he was asking was not whether it was 100 miles or 150 miles, but was a log required for crossing state lines.

I'm not sure why I'm having to repeat this over and over again....

[GMAN]

A few years ago I was pulled into the scale on I-295 near Carney's Point. There was a guy hauling seafood out of Baltimore. He received a ticket because he crossed state lines and didn't have a log book and he was driving a small straight truck. It was within the air mile restriction, but he crossed a couple of state lines to get to New Jersey.

[geeshock]

when in doubt log it.

[dobry4u]

You know this crap between rev and hobo all over the threads is getting old!!!!!!!!
I cant believe CAD allows this bickering between a mod and a poster!!!!


On going debaters.... and for the most part they are arguing valid points (though Golfhobo's are hard to find in all the verbiage) so it raises interesting perspectives which is always a "good thing" for any board. I believe Rev asked 'hobo to take the personal stuff to a PM, where such comments are more appropriate.