Um....sorta like the way YRC driver base, is majority "Union" drivers, and doing really really well?

Consolidated Freightways was a "Union" driver company...as WERE, PIE and Ranger and Inway and Gemini??

CornFlakes....they went "Out of business" to become "Con-way Freight" didn't they??

And PIE / Ranger / Inway / Gemini......where did they go?? Ooooh...that's right.......Landstar is what remains of those companies!!

The Teamsters worked out well for all of them. Yup. :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:

But wait........The Teamsters just gave huge concessions to YRC, so that YRC can try and survive......of course....The "Teamsters" aquired a huge stake in YRC.

Yeah....that is going to work out really well for the "Drivers"! NOT!!! That is going to work for the YRC driver's, in the same way that United Airlines worked out, with the Pilot's Union being the majority stakeholder of United Airlines! It didn't! :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: The only one's who made any money in that deal, were the "Pilots Union" management, and a select few others, in the other United "Employee Union" management systems!!!
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Unions!!!! Greed is alive and well in America!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Maybe you could join a Dating Union :roll:

Don't forget that YRC has to compete with morons that want to go bankrupt and haul freight just to pay for fuel !!! :rofl:

I'm sure YRC drivers make a hell of a lot more than the Werner kids that just got out of high school last week !!!

Sweet.....Is there an E-Harmony" for old farts like me ?? LOL ! Yes we are kind of getting off topic, sorry.

All I recall that was really cool about the Union we had at Lockheed was

it basically eliminated those work place Tyrants that made the job miserable.

No bosses could or would 'f' with you,they were kept at a distance,

basically you were free to just build the planes.

If there is no national truckers union, TRUCKERS ARE DOOMED !!!!

You all better start organizing or at least support the movement or you will be working like dogs for peanuts until the Mexicans take all your jobs, then they will start a union because they stick together.

You're the only person I see, asserting that high school kids are driving trucks. I don't know of any "OTR" trucking company, "Union Driver" or not, whom hires kids right out of high school to drive for them. Maybe all these trucks out there are really being used in "Farm and Ranch" operations?? That would let a "High Schooler" be able to drive the trucks...at least in "Intrastate" operations!

Heck AVC......You just came up with a brilliant idea for a "Trucking Executive". Hire high school kids to drive their trucks from one state line to the next! Switch drivers at the border....opens the job market up exponentially!! Keeping the kids inside their "Home" state, driving farm and ranch equipment, allows those kids to drive the big rigs. :p :p:p:p :p Plus they would be able to drive wages even lower!!!

Now....there is still the problem of Werner, YRC and CREngland trucks getting classified as farm and ranch equipment.


YRC drivers will only continue to receive wages and benefits, as long as YRC contines to remaiin in business. Personally, I expect to see YRC go the way of the Phoo-Phoo bird and Consolidated Freight!

"But wait........The Teamsters just gave huge concessions to YRC, so that YRC can try and survive......of course....The "Teamsters" aquired a huge stake in YRC."

I love the idea that the Teamsters "allow" a company to try and take steps to survive.

If a company is dumb enough to unionize, it's because they screwed up somewhere along the line, IMHO

The Union bosses want to keep it going for as long as they can...

They make very good money

I would suspect they know their watering hole is drying up fast :roll:

I give YRC less than 6 months before they go the way of CF and the other FAILED union LTL CARRION birds. For one reason the Teamsters and their LEAGACY costs. When Toyota sells the same number of cars as GM yet there is 55 Billion bucks in the balance sheets in one year. Toyota last year made 17 in profit GM lost 38 Billion. Differance one has a UNION that being GM the other is not you can not place all the blame on the Senior Exec or the Engineers. When my uncles Toyota Solora sedan has 290K on it before it blew a rod bearing and that was the only major failure. Yet my moms 2006 Uplander has spent more time in the shop than on the road.

You guys make ZERO sense and will make ZERO CENTS SOON WITH YOUR OUTLOOK ON THIS BUSINESS !!!

Like I said, if you all bent over and let Cheney rape you for 8 years without even a peep out of you, then you deserve to make minimum wage and watch your freight drop to nothing due to oil fraud that caused the world economy to crash !!!

The funny thing is, many of you still love Bush and his daddy who is nothing short of a massive fraud like Bernie Madoff !!!

engforum.pravda.ru/archive/index.php/t-133831.html

Even the Russians know more than you do !!!

Then we are in good company, being with you huh?

take the union and shove it up your *ss....... the unions are part of the reason things are so expensive in this country... i work for my money and i don't have to PAY anybody to keep my job.. EX. union dues.

yeah, i'm glad to be getting out ahead of any union dues. i wouldn't pay them anyhow. what are they going to do, fire me?
seriously, though, it sounds like a pay cut to me. drivers must be happy they fired office staff instead of cutting driver pay. good for them

The trucking companies are thankful for guys like both of you for sure !!!! :rofl: :clap:

Perfect.

All ya gotta do now is get a PT Wal-Mart door greeter job and you can pat ALL the young women on the butt as they walk by.

Just look innocent......and old.

Sooner or later one is gonna like it and...bam.

You got a date.

Check out the current salaries of the Teamsters officers and business agents. As stated before, they are not suffering. In an era of give away contracts and job losses, the greed is ridiculous. Methinks AVC has never been in a union, or is one of those "lets all shut down because I have a crappy job" kind of people..been there, done that..Where were you AVC when we shut down UPS ? Probably crossing our picket lines...http://tdu.org/files/2008150KClub.pdf

Oh, and thank you Dave, I'll get right on it....Oh, boy, hot older women in a low income bracket....what could be better ??

How could one cross UPS picket lines when the facilities were closed due to the lack of ability to move freight man ???

Get with it OK !!! :eek1:

Now educate these high school kids that just got their CDL, I'm 50 years old and have seen much more than most of them !!!

Yeah, if they were union they would get paid to drive empty trucks.

You could always wonder on down to the local diner after church on Sundays for a blue plate special or anywhere people shop on Wednesdays because that is when most Senior Citizen Discounts are in effect. :)

if the union is so great, why are the trucks empty????? a-hole....... :thumbsdown: i get paid when my truck is empty and i'm not union......... are you really this stupid or are you just pretending?

The industry is too fragmented to unionize.

Your 50 years old, without a clue as to how the trucking industry, the unions involved in the trucking industry, or trucking management work.

When Fred suggested that you crossed UPS picket lines, he infered that you were one of the "Scags" that crossed the lines and drove truck for UPS, while the "Teamsters" and "Clerks" unions, were out on strike.

Hell...I was non-union and had enough sense to decline delivery of a load of fuel to UPS'es Redmond WA truck terminal, during that strike.


Whats the matter AVC....are you one of those "Ex" workers I refered to earlier, whom thought you were gonna change the trucking industry to fit your mold?? Seems like it. :zzz:

Relax. I didn't realize I was arguing for the union here...:/ I was making a joke.

The point is that the union mentality is that the pay should keep coming regardless of the work. Like, "there's no freight today, so go drive around for 8 hours so you can get paid." That's an extreme example, but I can't come up with anythign better at the moment.

it's like the UAW people who want to keep making cars even though the ones they already made aren't selling.

A.) you mean scabs >>>>> :rofl:

B.) Sense, a very rare occurrence for you man !!!! ( :lol2: :rofl:)

PS: Momma told you to stay in school so you could be a lawyer or a doctor Son !!!!

PPS: You should have listened to mom !!!! :eek1:

PPPS: I love you because you are funny !!!

1: Scab...Scag....same difference.

2: You lie! My Momma told me to go to work and forget school cuz we couldn't afford it.

3: I did listen to her. I have yet to forgive her.

4: Please don't. I don't know you. Have no interest in knowing you. And really....You don't have the right equipment.

re:3] That's funny, my mom told me to go to school, and I did, and I have the same sentiment as you do. Paying $40k in student loans with a CDL.

it looks like orangetxguy is making a friend. :rofl:

What unionized trucking company have you drove for to make this statement?
It's actually harder at a union company because they have to be more productive since they pay more than their non-union counterparts.
In other words, if they're paying $20 dollars an hour and a non-union company is paying $18 an hour, then the union company has to be 11% more efficient than the non-union company in order to compete.
Otherwise they close the doors.
How does UPS who's teamsters compete against FedEx who's contractors?
Simple. Those UPS guys bust their asses on their routes.
Some of them guys do over 130 stops per day.
Imagine doing that day after day in the blazing heat and the snow?
I know UPS guys in their 40's with slipped discs in their backs and blown-out knees.
I was a Teamster driver for Schneider Transport for 20 years.
Again, what union company have you drove for?
None.
So remember that next time you open your mouth and say stupid ****

Another supertrucker talking **** about stuff he knows nothing about.
That's funny UPS Freight and ABF is union and I don't see them going out of business.
It wasn't the union that hurt YRC it was Dollar Bill Zollars who overpaid and went deep into debt to buy Roadway and USF and New Penn. Then he bought some Chinese company.
All 3 were proftiable LTL's with operating ratios in the upper 80's!!!!!
But Dollar Bill tried to be king of LTL and then the economy took a dump and the companies are all deep in debt.
That's what hurting them the debt the have to pay.
So they've sold terminals to try and raise cash and offered concessions but Dollar Bill did too much damage.

The HELL UPS Freight IS UNION YEt maybe 20% is the rest is NON-UNION STILL. UPS Freight is the OLD OVERNIGHT and most of the Drivers there DO NOT WANT THE TEAMSTERS IN. Why because they are old Union COmpany Drivers that Survived losing their JOBS at companies like CF and PIE and OTHERS that went BELLY UP because of the TEAMSTERS and the contracts they rammed UP the MANAGEMENTS BUTS. The take it or LEAVE crap of the National Freight Contract is the reason why the LTL industry is going NON-UNION faster than you can shake a stick at it. At least the Non UNION LTL get AC from the Begining. The Union Boys did not get it til what the 90's because the Union did not want to LOOSE the 2 cents an hour it would cost to install it. Why do you think UPS has not installed it YET in the package cars the TEAMSTERS would have to give up 2 cents an hour in wages. This I got from a Package car driver that retired after 30 years there. He goes we could of had AC years ago. HOWEVER the INTERNATIONAL UNION would not give up the 2 CENTS AN HOUR in wages for the DRIVERS FOR US TO BE COMFROTABLE IN 100 degree heat. All we get is a freaking fan and water to drink.

UPS Freight is 100% Teamster they all signed cards. So shut your piehole and quit talking **** that you don't know nothin about driver.

The Teamsters did not destroy companies like PIE,Red Ball,etc., deregulation was the factor. The same way deregulation allowed some TL carriers to become mega carriers, it also allowed companies like YELLOW and CF to become mega LTL carriers through competetion. CF became poorly mismanaged then decided it did not want to deal with the union anymore so they created CONWAY, then shortly after shut CF down. But CONWAY has problems of its own now. At least they cant blame the Teamsters. YELLOW got folded into YRC along with ABF and have been struggling ever since. They both used to be very profitable carriers. Any carrier will grow or fail based on its ability to deal with competetion. The teamsters are not the ones hurting YELLOW and ABF, bad management is. But senior management at YRC will walk away with their multimillion dollar golden parachutes, that I assure you.

YRC consists of Yellow, Roadway, and the USF companies.

ABF is Arkansas's Best, and by the way, is not hurting in the same manner as YRC. ABF just bought a TL company.

Yes, YRC's expansion is their biggest problem. However....when YRC bought out USF......they ended up rolling all those non-union driver's, into the union...and that cost a boatload of money. The only USF company that I know for certain was union, was USF-Reddaway. Maybe there were other's...but I don't know.

As for the demise of all those other companies....Most of the former driver's that I knew...and I knew many in the Seattle area...pointed the finger at the unon. Most still point at the union....20 years later.

USF Holland is also and always has been teamster. As for the teamster drivers who lost jobs shortly after deregulation, thats what deregulation did, not the teamsters. Deregulation opened up the market for competetion amongst the carriers. Only the carriers both union and non union who took advantage of it survived. Back in the day after deregulation (through the 1980's) YELLOW drivers were looked upon in the same way as Swift and Schneider drivers are now. Not because of inexperience but mainly because many other teamster drivers who were driving for weaker carriers were losing or had lost jobs. They could'nt understand how YELLOW was getting so big. If the teamsters are the ultimate evil how did YELLOW and CF become so big after deregulation? Through sound management thats how. The teamsters did not hold those companies back. No union can hold a gun to any employers head, but everybody seems to want to blame the working man in this country every time the economy tanks.

Well lets see how the all mighty teamsters handle contract negotiations in 2013 with UPS & UPS frieght, should be interesting... If things don.t get better in the economy in the next 3 years and frieght does not pick up Brown is going to need some sort of help to maintain daily operations.

The freight side with some 12,000 plus employees are going to demand the same contract that the ground side has which will bump Browns cost up a hefty amount, That is not going to happen and I believe we may just see some sort of strike coming.
The freight employees that I know, feel screwed by Brown and by the Teamsters because when all is said and done the Teamsters were looking out for themselves not for the employees when the freight contract was ratified. And Brown was doing the same.
Best move I ever made was to leave the Teamsters.

Timberwolf

The teamsters are not that mighty any more. They have not been for quite some time. But they also know that they can push only so hard in this economy.I dont know if thats looking out for themselves . They have had to give concessions in the industry. Some drivers may feel betrayed by that.

The Teamsters in Florida are a joke, we are a right to work state, so the guys on the trucks and the docks who are not Teamsters still get the same benifits as those paying $50 + a month. At some point it will come to a head, how many consessions can they make before Brown crushes them. If freight is slow and the union wont budge any more Brown can simply lock them out, and deal with the aftermath with a bright outlook in the future, it happened in the NHL so I think it can happen with Brown & the Teamsters...

Timberwolf

You non-union proponents are the worst thing out there in this business and most of you will be driving for companies like AAA Cooper for $10.00 an hour 10 years from now competing with Mexicans that will take those wages.

Damn some of you have no shame and deserve this fate, talk about no air conditioning and a West Virgina air conditioner, ask some of the local drivers about it that work for these rouge trucking companies.