Schneider has lost their mind!!
 

My Brother-In-Law just got tossed from the Schneider training program down in Fontana. Because his heart rate was two beats too high. This is a guy who is in very good shape and can kick my butt all over the place and actually has done "IronMan" triathlons in the past.

I realize that insurance companies and liability lawyers write policy but this just has me floored. This industry has so many people in it that can barely get in and out of a truck cab but a guy like this can't even get a start.

This is the kind of guy we want in this industry, healthy, intelligent (has a Masters), very stable with no baggage whatsoever.


Bottom line, if you're going for Schneider you better do some cardio for a while first.

Re: Schneider has lost their mind!!
 

, intelligent (has a Masters),



than why in the hell would he want to be otr trucker?

Because a Masters in Theology has few options, one is "Do you want fries with that?" and another is Trucking. :wink:

Re: Schneider has lost their mind!!
 

Now you've got me worried. I used to run marathons and believe myself to be pretty fit - but I am 55. Was it his resting heart rate that caused the problem, or did they put him on a treadmill to test him?

Tell him to find another co., there's plenty out there, schneider isn't worth the trouble.

Sorry to hear that about your Bro.

I took this test recently. Believe it or not larger people like myself have an advantage. There is a little bit of lifting involved but for the most part it is light lifting. The only time you are asked to lift more than 100#s is on the push/pull portion where you can just lean into it. The key to it is to control your breathing. If you just focus on that you will be fine. My roomate during training (who was in much better shpe than I) actually got closer to the Max heart rate than I did because he had to work harder than I did. Also take your time you aren't in a race. If you need a minute between exercises just ask them for it.

In the group that I was with only one person failed and he was a Non-Smoking salad eater that weighed about 140#s. I think he went into it all cocky and tried to rush through all the exercises. I guess he wanted a gold medal when all you need is the green participation ribbon.

Trust me it's more mental than anything else. Everyone got all worked up for something that was fairly easy if you ask me.

Obviously, I wasn't there, but I can see him overworking it. I probably would have too, I take that kind of stuff way too seriously. I lost out on a heart rate test with Pepsi due to stressing over it but I'm also not in shape. Thankfully I missed out on Pepsi as it probably would have killed me.

I agree with finding another company, every failure has led me to better opportunities and I'm hopeful that he'll have the same experience.

I'd heard that Schneider was pretty high on the list of companies with training programs so I led him in that direction as he didn't want to go to a private school. Guess we're back to the list.

personally I've never been able to get past, those orange trucks

This is a joke right.

I got passed by a horse and buggy the other day on US-11 in PA. :oops:

when I was young, my daddy always whipped me with a orange belt.

Stress tests
 

Ive heard that US XPRESS has a really hard physical and they do a stress test. I personally don't know. I was going to work for JB HUNT a while back and they had you lift 100 lbs over your head. For most guys that's no problem but I barely made it having a bum shoulder!

these tests always make me laugh because I see guys driving for these companies that have bruises all over their legs and look like death...And when it comes to blood pressure tests there is no definitive answer what is too low too high or just right ...And this seems to be one of the areas of medicine where these people seem to be forgetting about biolgical individualty which means it's entirely possible that what consitutes healthy blood pressure for individual people could vary greatly from person to person ... I had friend that was an avid cyclist had a resting heart rate of about 40 BPM and BP of 110/70 he died of a major heart attack...where as I have BP that ranges from 125/70 -140/80 depending on diet and sleep And loved my steroids when in my early tewnties ...And I'm naturally prone to white coat hypertension meaning I can't relax when the BP cuff is strapped on me and it's not un common for my first reading to be 150/80 taking about 5 tries before I settle down to less than 140/80...But He's dead an I'm alive , So I guess those tests really don't point out who is going keel over .

with a masters in theology he could be a college proffesor somewhere...make some damn good green and look at young college chicks all day, man that would be rough. i think i would rather be a truck driver also.

Werner Enterprises uses a simple 5 minute DOT physical at their orientations. That is one direction to consider for him.

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Hmm, last I heard, it was 60lbs, and it only needs to be lifted chest high! If it was 100 lbs over your head, they would loose probably 95% of the fleet. :? 100 lbs maybe if it was a flat-bed position!

private school............is the best...... :arrow: :arrow: :wink:

get your permit on your own...and pay 1/2 the price of the course... 8)


BOL 2 ya...... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :!: :!:

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US Xpress having any type of physical is a joke! LOL The whole DOT "physical" process takes about 3 minutes

hard physical at USX hahaha

THEY DID HIM A FAVOR!! JUST LOOK AT SOME OF THE SCHNEIDER DRIVERS 1/2 CANT EVEN GET IN OR OUT OF THE TRUCK!! SCHNEIDERS A JOKE!! HAVE HIM MOVE ON!! :shock:

DOT physical is an odd thing....depends where you go it seems ,

Where I got mine I would bet you they would issue a medical certificate

to a corpse...thats how seriously they appeared to take it.

Any company with common sense will honor your medical
cert if its less than

6 months old or so...they need not be so fascist toward their driver

applicants.

They should be honored we even apply to these bozos and drive

the rigs for them!

Yeah!!!!


:lol:

RIGHT ON ZIPPY!! 1 DAY THEY WILL BE BEGGING 4 DRIVERS IF THEY KEEP UP THERE CRAP!!! :shock:

no company will ever beg for drivers, not as long as everyone is willing to drive for anyone and haul cheap freight for low wages. the likes of USX, shneider, swift and all the other BIG outfits, will always have an edless supply of noobies rolling through their doors. look at the so called truck protest in areas around our county on april fools day, what a joke, fitting for the day and date, but nothing will ever come of it. a few tickets were issued, and some folks were made aware. but truckers will always be taken for granted and the bigger picture will never surface to the population of public. Just as truckers cant ever come together on a common cause other than hauling freight from point A-B, then neither will the companies themselves.

Re: Schneider has lost their mind!!
 

?Two heartbeats? Hmmmm, me thinks there is more to this than was stated..... Kinda hard to buy. Is it possible he has a "skeleton" in his closet you know not of, and he doesn't want you to know about? The reason I say that is because this link: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/s...cal-Report.pdf
gives the standards and requirements for passing a DOT physical..... and within it there is no specific number of heartbeats mentioned. Maybe its his blood pressure.....

And then again....maybe "big orange" has their own standards. But this is the first time I've ever heard anything like this...... :?

This isn't about a DOT physical, they're doing their own over and above testing. Same thing happened to me a few years ago when I first started driving and got hired with Pepsi. Pepsi had their own battery of tests and I blew it on a step aerobics test where my heart rate went too high. I'd already been hired and background checked and had a medical card too.

He's not a driver yet, this is a test they do on the first day of training for new students. It's not a skeleton thing either, he had a full background through them before he left and unlike a lot of them, Schneider actually did it.

I told him to blow it off, if he really wants to drive there are many better opportunities out there.

Yeah i should curb my enthusiasm...

:lol:

Actually i never kid myself that I am of any importance to the great

exsistance machine.... its like pushing a rope.. a waste of energy :wink:

Guess they must have changed things after the flap I caused over a year ago-I started my career with Schneider, going through the training school in GB. In March 07 I went to run my med recert-and found I had high blood pressure-190/140-a reading that high is an automatic disqualification from driving-yet the doc in a box in Indy gave me a 3 month card. I told Schneider I wasn't driving until the BP was down, and they said fine-sounds like you're quitting.

Two weeks later the DOT went after the doc-and subpoenaed Schneiders record of physicals that were performed at that facility.

Update; It just gets weirder and weirder. The heart rate they said he had was 154 with a max of 152, so he was three beats too high. His wife who is has a masters in physical education(long word I can never remember) and works for Kaiser Permanente, brought home a heart monitor and couldn't get a reading over 117 no matter what she made him do.

So either they had a screwed up monitor or there's something else up. At this point it really has nothing to do with Schneider as they employ an outside testing company for the physicals.

He's examining his options and deciding his next step. I was simply letting folks know what happened, not bagging on any company or anything. Just wanted to get the info out.

A person is allowed to lay down in the room for at least 30 mins

and have his or her vitals re-checked...

'They' cannot just rush you in and reject you

Unless of course a company stopped hiring completely..and ordered all applicants being tested released.

Sounds like the NFL Draft Combine at Indianapolis. Do they clock in the 40 and measure your vertical leap. Or just the flexibility thing to see if you can grab your ankles!

I can understand them wanting to weed out the Career Workers Comp type. But some of this stuff boggles the mind.

The "Fitness Test" is a joke. lift 30 lbs 3 times from floor to waist. Carry 30-lbs 20-ft. Crouch, pull, push. The most reps of anything is 3. If you can't pass this you are in really pad shape.

Let's put it this way! His failing (or not be passed) the Schnieder physical was more than likely a Blessing in disguise!

One thing I learned about this profession, when one door closes, another will open, so just keep pushing on.

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my husband & I were going for team drivers. when I did my first bag lift, I did it wrong and the instructor then showed me how to pick it up, I was using my back too much, so I did it again but he didn't like my posture and told me that if was going to fail if I did the 3rd one wrong. So the other instructor that was working with my husband came over and showed me exactly how to lift and I did it right this time but my heart rate is up there because I just lifted 90 lbs, then on the the 30 and the 60 lb lift and walk, then on to the 3x 30lbs lift and 3x 60lbs lift, well after climbing and crawling and lifting the 30lbs 3x my heart rate was over the maximum and he failed me...my husband passe but he declined employment because it was all about us working as a team. As I am being escorted out, there was a guy standing there and instructor asked him what he was doing and he said "I am waiting for my heart rate to go down before continuing" WHAT!.. I would have loved to have that luxury....my instructor had very low people skills and I was his last for the day...I think that if Schneider wants drivers to pass this physical than they should give out back braces or support belts, that would have kept me with a straight back. I agree, you must do cardio before your orientation with Schneider. A young man just out of the marines, did not pass either.........what a waste of time and money for me and Schneider.

I disagree with you. It is not that simple. I (female) did the first 30 lbs and had to do it 3 times. I was not doing it the right way with my back, so I did it again, still did it wrong according to the guy, I was told I would fail it I did it wrong again, do you think my heart rate was raising? so now I have just done the very first test 3 x and 90 lbs later, I am rushed over to do 60lbs, 20 ft and 30 lbs 20 ft and I have just done 60 lbs more that the other guy and I was told I would fail if I didn't do it right, my heart rate is racing now.....I have to step up and down and crawl under the platform 3 x.....then go and lift and squat 30 lbs 3 x more, then do 60 lbs lift and squat 3x, then go and pull 100 lbs and push 100 lbs ....do you think my heart rate is up with no let up in between.....for me I failed, my rate was 4 points over the maximum.....yet they let some guy wait for his heart rate to go down, he was waiting while I was testing and still waiting after I was excorted out. It no joke after you have prepared your life to get set up to go on the road, you mail, your dog, your bills, everything prepared in advance and to fail by 4 points......no joke! No one told me or my husband who passed that this was about cardio, we thought all we had to do was lift this weight and we would be ok....well it not all about lifting weight....it is about cardio and it is a company policy not a DOT requirement.

If you really want to work there, you might mention to someone that you were curious why the males and females were treated somewhat differently. That if you had been treated with kid gloves and allowed to lower your heart rate like the male, maybe you'd still be there.

Play upon their paranoiac fears of you raising the issue of sexual discrimination, and you might get another shot.

funny thing; last night eating dinner at the counter - T/A Ontario, Ca- a Schneider driver was talking about how the CEO of the company wanted to change their company policy to include a BMI( body mass index) qualification- This guy argued that with that kind of standard 90% of all drivers would be disqualified.
With the COST of providing health care group coverage to all it's employee's they will soon be looking for only newbie drivers-- because these are the only ones that will pass. Anyone who has two or three years of driving a truck has probably gained weight. And non of these other companies have done much to keep their drivers "in shape" Schneider is the only one I know of that has fitness rooms in the terminals.

Yeah...Begging in Spanish....although....

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USX physical isnt so bad. They have it early in the AM as they warn you not to smoke or drink coffee and/or sodas until after the physical. You get a rgular check up by a doctor, they take your BP and then you have to carry a 50 LBS crate at waist height for about 30 feet, then put it on a shelve on waist height. Tehn you have to pick up the crate again, put it on the floor, pick it up and lift it over your head on top shelve and then bck to middle shelve. Then you get a step test, which is a step ladder, you skip the bottom step and have to step off the floor immediately onto the 2nd step, which is supposed to show you can get onto the DOT-bumper. And that's it.

I think the Wilmer terminal has an exercise room.

true, and Lincoln too-- but I know the Wilmer one is only unlocked during 8-5 bankers hours...and I never get through there.