Willis Shaw?
 

I cant believe im asking this. Because some of my favorite companies to hire for are some of the companies a lot of people hate. And face it, there isnt a trucking company out there, where you cant find at least a few drivers will say "ITS THE WORST EVER". However, here goes....

Ok, looks like Im going to add a few of the Comcar companies to the list of companies I hire for. Starting with Willis Shaw. I dont know a lot about them other than their office is right down the road from me. And Im not meeting with their execs until thursday. So I thought I would get a head start. I do know they are a training company. So lets hear it, the good the bad and whatever. Im more interested in their pay, equiptment and training. Honestly, I dont need to know that your aunts neighbors father drove for them 15 years ago and he says they are a bunch of a-holes.
Also spare me the Coolie company crap. You all dont matter.

Im always willing to help a brother out , you know that sheepdancer . WSE was my first trucking job from March 2003 to October 2003 . After 6 weeks of traning , Pay at the time was .25 cpm hhg plus .2 cpm bonus for all miles over 10k monthly . Yes , pathetic I know . The equipment was rough , mostly macks and volvos , now they have lots of freightliners that are old Heartland Express trucks . The miles were always good as was the length of haul . I avregaed about 1400 miles per dispatch with a lot of west coast freight and very northeast . Hometime was one day for every 6 days out . Management stayed away from you and you were encouraged to use the qualcomm instead of ever calling in , although it was fairly disorganized . Any other ? , let me know .

Well you cant expect the pay to be that great with a training company. At least the miles were there. I have no idea what the pay is now, I hope its still not 24cpm...lol.
Was the training pretty good? I know im going to get two stories from people here, Im sure some will say the training was bad, and some will say good...lol

Willy Shaw..right there in the gutter with Werner.


(oooop...did I say that ???)

Now, now, now... don't deface the beautiful picture Sheepdancer is trying to paint to the unsuspecting newbies. He has a family to feed..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Lets change it around, where do you geniuses think a "newbie" who wants to be an OTR driver get their training and work for their first year?
Because really, I dont know of any training companies that dont have tons of negative drivers such as yourself whining about them.
So lets hear it...say you run into a newbie who wants to be an OTR driver, where would you tell him to go?

They don't know Sheepdancer! Of all the posts I read on this forum the 2 of them reply to almost all of them and I'd say they have nothing to say for about 99.9% of the time. Just ignore it.

I would tell the noob to go to a community college, or pay for a PTDI certified school themselves so they are not beholden to a certain type of carrier....

Do you want to know what the real world of trucking is like, or the beautiful scenery fantasy world that is portrayed by most recruiters. With the exception of Twilight Flyer, he does not gloss over what it is really like out there. ( not sucking up either)

Sure, I can agree with that. I have always told drivers if financially possible, its better to pay for your own schooling than be under a contract. Unfortunately, a lot of young drivers dont have the money to pay for a driving school and dont want to. There are arguments for both sides.
So say some young newbie driver, who wants to pay for his own school, goes to a PTDI school, pays out of his pocket and now graduates with his CDL, where would you tell him to go. I recruit these drivers all the time too. And Really the only options I have for them, until they get some experience are the same companies you seem to hate.
Now here is the other thing to think about, I recruit for a lot of great companies ( I know you will still hate them) Those take at least a year of experience....and sorry Small operations and mom and pop trucking companies usually dont count as experience. Hate Swift, US Xpress, Willis Shaw, Schnieder, USA truck.....all you want. But even good companies know that looks better on an application than a bunch of unheard of companies. When I get a great job thrown at me to fill, this is the PERFECT driver im looking for: A 1-2 year driver with a pretty clean MVR who has worked for one of the BIG training companies. Because I know that this is exactly the driver the company is looking for. Therefore I have the best chance of getting him approved. If I get a driver who has been working for "Bobs Trucking" for the last year. It doesnt matter if he says he was paid great and BOB runs the greatest trucking company in the world. I dont get too excited. If its a slow week, I might do an app on him and see if it sticks...But deep down, I know that they chances of him getting that job are about 1 in 100.
I look at it like this...your first year driving is just a continuation of training, you arent going to make great money. Hell, at least you are being paid something for training for a year. I sure wasnt paid for 7 years at college.

Ive posted this many times out here, but I think it bears repeating. Ive been on this board for quite a while. I have hired many many drivers out here when I worked for JB hunt and NOT ONE TIME has one driver ive hired come back out here and said I lied to them (Believe it or not, that even surpised me) AM I glossing over anything? Im just a positive person. I tend not to dwell on the negative stuff. Ive seen people succeed at ALL TRUCKING COMPANIES. A lot of it is attitude. If a driver expects to do poorly when he starts a job, he will do poorly. I dont paint a rosey picture, I deal with AVERAGES. I will tell a driver what the AVERAGE is and leave it up to them whether he is an above average driver or below average driver.
I tend to recruit the same way as Twilight. Im just a little more active out here. By the way, Twilight doesnt have to recruit out here....I will recruit for him.
By the way Twilight, im trying to find you all some good drivers...but damn, you guys are picky...lol. I got one im calling tomorrow. I think he will work out fine.

They have the same ignorant attitude CFM has. They think that it is so easy to get on with a small local carrier. They don't realize that a lot of companies require at least 1 year exp. For them the perfect carrier is a hillbilly that runs a trucking company out of his garage, has 5 or 6 trucks that all old pieces of sh*t, and he pays you under the table. No quallcom, because he can't afford it and the maintainence is the best part you have to fix it yourself.

All you union, day cab drivers are just lazy mother f' ers. You don't have the stones for OTR, and you don't have the stones to stand up for yourselves thats why you pay for a union representation. Do u guys really think the union is going to save your job?? :lol: :lol: Fu*ck the TEAMSTERS

LOL...But my pretty MsTulip...I do know...far more about Werner and Willis Shaw, than do you, or Mr. Sheepdancer. The Werner of today, is a far cry from the Werner of 1990 or the best of Werner-----1976. The same goes for Willis Shaw. When Willis Shaw was run by "The Shaw" family, it was a very decent operation...and respected. However...family members die..kids ignore reponsibility's..and trucking companies are sold. Since ComCar purchased Willis Shaw..it has been a down hill slide for a once decent company. Big is not always better.


Mr. Sheep...contrary to Clugmeister and a few others have to say...I see JBHunt, Schneider National, Knight Transportation, Swift, and yes May Trucking, as good solid "training" companies. They all have decent programs. I am dis-affected of these companies, as I have never, nor will I ever, work for them. I know several people who drive for all of them...whom are quite happy. Of course..these are people whom started their careers long ago, have seen far worse conditions, and understand the industry far better than people whom have come into it, as a "Last resort".

If after getting some road time and experience under their belts, then there are plenty of decent mid-size companies, that pay better, and offer better benefits.

If a young man or woman were willing to do the work..I would highly suggest companies such as Halliburton Well Services, Schlumberger Well Services, BJ Well Services, Weatherford Well Services, Wood Group Services Company, or Superior Well Services. All of them are good companies to work for. All of them are willing to train an already licensed driver. However...the work is hard and demanding. The people that take those jobs are expected to perform....during the hardest blizzard...the hardest rain, in the deepest mud or in the hottest sun. The people whom take jobs at those companies, can expect to be compensated for performance. The better they perform, the better the wage will be, the better the promotion oppotunity will be.

My best friend works for Schlumberger, Offshore Services. Thursday he received a $20,000 wage bump, based on his 2007 performance. He also was told he will receive a 7.5% COLA bump. His bonus check was big enough to make most retail regional managers cough and drool. The best part about my friend...he has zero college education, yet, because of HIS performance at his job, through every slow down in the Oil Industry since 1983, he has never been laid off, has never been reprimanded...and has always taken pride in his work...things most people will not do, now or ever, because this is the "ME" generation's time.

Oh yeah...another thing about my friend...If Schlumberger were to fire him...It will be after the nod from the CEO of the company, then it will be a senior vice-president giving him his walk to the door, not a district manager...nor an HR manager.

Oh Hell, Tulip (I hope you are a lady, Calling a dude Tulip would feel a little strange) I dont want to ignore people like this. As long as my posts are kept at the top of the boards, its great for me. They are helping me do my job. I believe it was Donald Trump who said, "Even negative attention is great advertising"

what companies do you recruit for again?

I agree that those oil service companies are great companies. But like you pointed out, oil service is not for everyone. Plus if they find out that oil service is not for them and they want to drive Dry Van after, they are going to find out that a lot of companies arent going to count that as experience. I get calls from ex oil service drivers all the time and the only options I have for them are the same training companies I put the newbies at the same pay.

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My YOUNG friend... I have not NOW nor will I ever be, a TEAMSTER. You do not see me ragging on every "training" company that is out there. I have worked in the oilfields...when I was a 21 to 31 year old. I started at $1,500 per month, on a 50 hour per week gaurantee. My second year at that company I was given, based on my performance, over $785 dollars a month in raises. I left that job, because I will not work for a Liar. Period. Tell all the tales you want...but do not lie to me or a customer you ask me to work with, about money, time, or conditions. I will bite.

After leaving the oilfield job, I drove OTR for 2 month's, so that I could honestly get a trucking company to sign off on my driving experience...when I could have quite easily gotten a "fly-by-nighter" whom knew nothing about me, other than who my brother in law's father was. That was because in 1986 California had started the CDL program, and in 1987 washington state had not started the switch, and would not issue me a WA Class "A" license with out proof of experience...a signature from a Washington registerd trucking company. Once I had the Washington Class "A", I went to work driving local, hauling gasoline for an oil company, ARCO. I drove for ARCO until August 2003, at which time I voluntarily took lay-off from BP, whom had purchased ARCO in 1999, and did not want to pay truck drivers $26.90 an hour...which is what I made in 2003. For 2 years I tried working with "family" to start a trucking company. It did not work...not for lack of revenue...but for lack of commitment from "others".
From mid 2005 to February of 2007, I worked for a company,the name of which I will not disclose at this time, due to issues. As I said earlier...I will not work for a Liar, as pertains to a job. If you lie to me about money.....I BITE. In this case...I was promised one thing...received another. The local and regional management, felt I was a blowhard, that was all talk and no bite. They no longer feel that way. I documented everything I could, researched everything I could, and investigated everything I could pertaining to wages and working conditions, involved in what I was doing(jobwise), then I wrote 7 letters. One was to the president 7 CEO of the trucking company i worked for. The other letters went to the management people that are above him, in the chain of "corporate command". The local manager for that company, plus 5 other local managers and 3 "Corporate managers" of that company, no longer work at that company, because of the letters I wrote. The allegations I documented were investigated. Managers were "moved" and raises were given, to bring the drivers that remain at that company, up to a wage level that is representative of the "quality" that the "parent" desires from it's drivers.
Today..I own a 2001 International 9400 Eagle. I am leased into Miller Transporters. I can switch companies in 2 month's, without financial penalty, if I so choose.


If you want to tell me a "tale" that is fine, I can live with "trucker story's"..I know the difference.

If I know of a decent company..I am willing to point the way for a "newbie". There are plenty of decent companies, that are not "training" companies, which will hire new drivers. The thing is...that new driver has to prove that he or she is worthy of the job. THAT takes a lot..and most are not willing to prove themselves.

Do you feel I am wrong for lacking compassion, when it comes to "ex-felons", "ex-druggies" and "bad" drivers? Ok..to bad. Myself, I have never commited a crime..I was raised better than that. I have never used drugs...I was raised better, plus I have to much self-respect, to use them. As for bad drivers...there is no excuse for bad driving, especially in this business. I have seen more wrecks that were BS, the last 3 weeks, than I have seen in years. People whom drive down a roadway while laying against a window, with a teeny tiny cell phone shoved into their left or right ear, talking, or watching a movie on their laptop, or surfing a net on their laptop..are BAD drivers. They do not belong out here...yet I see them all the time. 80,000 pounds is big business...look at some of the accidents posted just in the last week on this website.

When you have 30 years safe driving under your belt, like I do....give me a call.





(ok....rant is over)

My wife and children are so happy that I don't have the stones for OTR. Free medical benefits, home to have a life, pension, pay above and beyond any OTR company. Man, that sounds terrible! Those unions don't do squat for drivers!

Mr. Sheep..My point about those comanies, is, that they are all "Career" companies. Get the job, learn the job, do the job, advance with the job.
My best friend has no college education, yet his responsibilities are global. On any given day, he will receive phone calls on his cell from Eygpt, Norway, Columbia, Brazil, Singapore, Russia...or Houston. This week he is preparing to install over $1,000,000 worth of equipment to finish out an install for a rig out of Brazil.
He is doing that because he got the job, he learned the job, he did the job, he kept the job, and he advanced at the job.
If I had been able to stomach management in California in 1987, I would be in similar circumstances(with the same company)...and not even know about this forum !!!

You dont have clue ZW , I've driven both OTR and for the teamsters , I feel I've done a great job with both , if my OTR company which I was nominated for Driver of the year BTW , wanted to get rid of me anytime they could , not with the teamsters . After 10 years in a teamster job you have seniority and a pension built up not to mention a great salary, at an OTR job you have nothing but a few more cpm and the newbie is probably getting better loads then you . The smart choice is union and/or LTL but since you've never been a teamster you wouldn't know , enjoy waiting for 7 hours for free on your next load , loser .

Oh BTW sheepdancer , my training was excellent . 6 weeks with a pro definately helped my cause . It all depends on the trainer you have . The facilities at WSE are a total dump but orientation was okay .

You don't have a clue at all.... Thanks for the laugh !!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

young zw wrote:
All you union, day cab drivers are just lazy mother f' ers. You don't have the stones for OTR, and you don't have the stones to stand up for yourselves thats why you pay for a union representation. Do u guys really think the union is going to save your job?? Fu*ck the TEAMSTERS


Wow sounds like you have been rejected by the union or an union company before and now you are just plain bitter..
I have to agree with coltsfan as my family is very happy with my benefits and the money I bring home, plus the fact that every night I get into a clean bed right next to my beautiful wife what more can a teamster ask for. If bouncing around in a big rig all over the country, sleeping in a parking lot, taking showers in a truck stop etc.... works for you then have at it, it is a hard job and a hard lifestyle that is not for me, so if it makes you feel like a MAN to call me lazy so be it it is of no effect to me what so ever, just because I have choosen to work smarter not harder in life again I think your just a little bitter.
Who would want their nuts to be made of stone, I would much rather mine to be soft and pliable as they tend to have more sensation that way. I guess the stones comes from driving OTR and the lack of physical contact on a daily basis.

Timberwolf

You think any OTR mega-carrier, regardless, would pay even what they are now if not for Union wages as competition? I got news for you buddy, they're in it to make money, not make you rich.it's pretty much human nature to keep all you can for yourself and pay as little as possible. If not for Unions years ago, you'd still be driving for 6 cents a mile, 18 hours a day,365 days a year, w/o any benefits. :wink:

Sheep, sorry to hijack your thread! :lol:

:lol: Yeah don't worry I'm a woman you're not calling a dude tulip! :lol: I'm originally from the Netherlands hence the Tulip thing :wink:
Anyhow to get back to Stan/Orangetxguy and BigDiesel: OK I have to say Stan actually does have intelligent stuff to say but BD to me (sorry BD) just gets too personal and nasty in my opinion a lot of times. BD: I don't think you need to sugarcoat anything and show them the wrong picture; I agree with you on that. But why do you have to be so nasty? There ARE other ways to be honest and still show some respect to other people that might not know as much as you do about the trucking industry, but that's why they come here to get the info. Now imagine someone completely unknown to the trucking industry and they see people that post like you do. I think it's representing a truck driver who abuses channel 19 on the CB radio, which we already have way too many of out there. I cuss myself sometimes and am no saint, but I have more respect for myself than to act like that in public or on the internet. Besides, I really want to help people out if they have a question and I might have an answer. Remember when you just started out and you didn't have all the answers?

I think it is hiliarious when a union company goes out of business. You guys bitch and moan about every little thing and expect your companies to run on 0% profit. You constantly want the company to give in to your every little demand and when they do it costs them money. Eventually, the company can't make a profit because you guys don't appreciate anything. Then you lose you jobs when the company goes out of business then you cry and complain about it. BE A MAN AND WORK FOR WHAT YOU WANT. DON'T BE A CRY BABY UNION EMPLOYEE AND BITCH ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE AND DON'T WANT TO DO.

My main reasons for hating unions are examples like this. True story: There used to be a General Electoric factory in my town. They made the electronic switchboards for GE products. One day per year the factory would close down so the employees could clean the machines. One guy, a union a*hole, was instructed to clean the dirt out of his machine using a wire brush. He knew a better way. Just whack the thing with a metal pipe a couple times. He busted the machine which cost $850,000. He went before the union board to see if he was going to be fired. The union employees there unanimously voted that he shouldn't be fired. The company could just replace that machine and he didn't do anything wrong.

Unions are the main reason jobs are going overseas. They won't give an inch and when they lose their jobs it is everyone else fault.

There is a building in NY City where 2 teachers sit and do nothing all day and collect a paycheck. The reason they do this is because of their probation, they arent allowed to be near children because they are sex offenders. The reason they still get a paycheck is because THE TEACHERS UNION WONT LET THEM BE FIRED. God bless unions for allowing the taxpayer to still pay child molestors for doing nothing.
There is something WRONG when in a free country YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO FIRE SOMEONE FOR ANY REASON YOU CHOOSE. Thank God I live in a right to work state were FREEDOM is important and companies are free to fire the losers. I dont need a union to save my job. I keep my jobs because IM A GREAT WORKER. And if Im working for a company, I will always support their right to fire me for ANY REASON THEY WANT. If they feel im not needed there or question my work ethic, I dont want to work there and would expect to be let go. THERE IS GREAT PRIDE IN EARNING YOUR JOB. I couldnt look myself in a mirror if I knew that I had to PAY someone to whine for me and keep me at a job. I would be ashamed to go back to work knowing that I DIDNT DESERVE THAT JOB, and if it wasnt for the union protecting me, I would have been kicked to the curb.
But hey, thats just me....I understand why some people feel they need unions to keep their jobs.

Then there is when you PO the leaders of the Union. My fatehr FULLY VESTED IN THE TEAMSTERS Pension can not get his pension or Long term care Benefits simply because he chose to FEED HIS FAMILY AND KEEP HIS HOUSE IN the 70's over walking a picket line protesting the fuel embargo. Sorry but doing the right thing for your family does not make you a SCAB. Unions protect the crappy worker anymore not the good worker. Why did GM and the rest of the Big 3 move all the auto plants to Mexico for the most part to avoid the 80 bucks in benfits and pay the worker makes on his coffee break. GM is 4 grand behind on everycar simply because of the UAW of all the Benefits and Wages they have rammed down the throats of managers. Take the sticker price of a Chevy and deduct 4 Grand from it that is what it would cost if the UAW was more reasonable in its demands on pensions and everything.

Also look how few truckload companies are Temasters why they can not compete on price they get slaughtered.

Ive only worked in a "union job" one time. However, I refused to join the union. I worked in service sales at Southwestern Bell. This is a right to work state, so supposedly I didnt have to join the union. I was amazed how much they paid me for doing very little work. 22 bucks an hour, plus commission. (ever wonder why your phone bill is so high?) For just answering the phone and selling crap like caller ID and call waiting. I was also amazed at how many people were sitting on their asses with their phones off, chatting with their buddies, riding the clock and earning 22 bucks an hour. There was a training period for 90 days and then supposedly you were protected by the unions whether you joined or not. There were two of us who refused to join the union. Funny also that the two of us that refused to join the union were also the two best salespeople (we actually EARNED our paycheck). On day 89 of training, the two of us who refused to join the union were let go. The reason was, " we werent right for the job and someone had complained about us being vocal of our political beliefs". I think we were laughing at President Clinton being impeached.... Lol. So I guess being right for the job meant to be a flaming liberal, join the union and just sit on your ass doing nothing and collect a 22 buck an hour paycheck...lol.
Thank god after I got let go from that sorry job, Southwestern bell had massive layoffs and closed that office, because for some strange reason they didnt seem to be making a profit. So in the end, all those lazy union people lost their jobs anyway.
Now before some of you get their panties all up in a wad for me saying "lazy union people". I didnt say all union people were lazy...only the ones ive ever delt with were.

Kind of like the place I worked for for 21 years fired me when I hurt my knee? :roll: Yeah, thank God for chit like that being able to happen. :roll: You better never hope that it doesn't happen to any of you, because you can't even fathom how bad it sucks when you kill yourself for a place and they turn around and drill you the minute something goes wrong.Go ahead and think that your company will stand behind you and see what it gets you.I also used to think that,because I worked every minute of overtime, holiday, and call in that was ever asked of me. But when push comes to shove, you'll get shoved, trust me. :shock: Guess who got me a lawyer and took care of me when said company cut off my Health Insurance benefits for my family while I was out hurt? (Yeah, they do that to you also) Yep, the Steelworkers Union...Lets just agee to disagree on this, as I can give you guys a counter example for every one you supply. As for the teachers Union, I'm actually with you on that one. :wink:

I dont mean any disrespect when I criticize union people. I know there are some good union workers out there.
However, this might surprise you. I support a company firing anyone for ANY REASON. Including hurting your leg. Again I support freedom and that freedom includes the OWNER of a company to do whatever he wants when it comes to hiring and firing people. No matter how "unfair" it might seem. You get a job in this country for one reason....you are needed by someone to make them money. Sometimes you arent needed anymore and the bestbusiness decision for your employer to make is to let you go.
I see a business as PROPERTY of the owners, and I will never like the government or unions telling people what they can or cannot do with their property when it comes to employing people.
I trust and believe in the FREE MARKET. The free market allows competition and also allows people to choose who and how much to work for. Quite simply, I demand a certain pay for my services as an employee, I do the same things unions do, except I dont have to pay dues. If a company doesnt meet my demands or the pay I require, I simply dont take the job.

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I havent seen that. Ive worked for some big corporations and never seen anyone in my office lose their job because they got sick. I will give you JB hunt for examples because I know how a lot of people hate them so. When someone I worked with got hurt or sick. This is what would happen. You would see everyone in corporate take up a collection for this person to help with the bills. Combine this with the short or long term disability this employee would get, and this person actually would make more money when they were sick and not working than when they were working.
When my little girl was born, my wife had some health problems. I had to take some time off. I was amazed at the help I got from people in corporate I didnt even know. Im talking 1000s of dollars.
Now before you say this....we did it for drivers too. Every once in awhile we would get an email about a driver who had been with us for a long time, getting sick, we would take up a collection for them too.

When I see unions, I see a separation of managment or corporate and the workers. Its almost like they are enemies and at war. Instead of a team working together. I see that as a prelude to failure at a company.

I worked at a "Mom and Pop" kind of place, like 125 people. When they terminated me, they also terminated 2 of my buddies who were Supervisors at the time, but also had gotten hurt prior to me.,.Between the 3 of us, there was 52 freaking years of experience! :shock: What happened to me happenes a lot around here, with both big and small companies alike. (Alcoa does the exact same thing as the place I worked.They're a few miles away from me) It's becoming a trend and not an abberation in this area. They replace you with someone who works for 2/3 of what you made. They say you are "unable to perform your previous job" and require "permanent light duty", of which they have none available. I could have easily went back to being a supervisor (I went into maintenance as a favor to the company a few years prior to all this happening, as I could fix any machine on the floor from being a Supervisor on Night Shift for quite a few years) Then I blew out my knee while welding, and the rest they say, is history.

(Now I'm in school for Heavy equipment and CDL, so it all worked out for the best anyhow!! :lol: )

Some one should start a UNION vs NON-Union topic in anything and everything We are really highjacking

How many non-union companies have moved to Mexico...and then to China? How is any blue-collar American...union or non-union..gonna compete with people making a few dollars/pesos per day?

You people are hilarious. Bunch of dumbass truckdrivers. Better learn to habla espanol quick...your days behind the wheel are numbered. Jose and Juan will happily do your job for 1/2 the rate...they will love getting out of the fields and into a nice air-conditioned truck.

And then you can blame the Teamsters for that one. :lol: :lol: :roll:

CFM hit the nail on the head on this one , Unions usually are a good thing but rarely can be misused into something not so good . The few anti union stories you all have don't outweigh the good unions have done in America for over 100 years.

Well, I got to have lunch with a couple of the Comcar and Willis Shaw VPs today. Did a tour of their corporate office and met a few of their drivers who were very happy there. Pay isnt really that high, however they seem to treat their drivers very well. Amazingly, they only have about a 50% turnover rate which is outstanding for an OTR company.
Also it looks like Im going to get to hire for ALL of the Comcar companies. Which sounds great to me...they even have a lot of local jobs for you "I hate OTR" drivers...lol

I had to read the whole post, all 3 pages of it. And since you brought me into it, I guess I'll voice my opinion.

At the time I worked for JB, I was not a happy camper. Everyone, including yourself, knows my story.

Since that time, alot of changes has, and still is, taking place over at JB, including JB's phasing out the OTR division of their company, or so is the rumor that I have heard.

So now I look at JB like all of the other McMega Carriers out there....until I go OTR, which is not in my future, I have no comments to spare. Unless it's a lease deal, then I will always say run.

So do me a favor. Unless I throw my .02 cents into a thread, don't drag me into your post in order to make yourself look better.

Thanks.