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evertruckerr 01-11-2008 05:35 AM

CRETE - A Year in Review
 
OK, My first full calender year with Crete (Jan-Dec) 2007 has passed and I thought I would show the actual numbers.

Anyone that has spent any time on this forum knows that there are endless opinions , good and bad, about every trucking company. What is often lacking is actual facts.

The intention of the following information is to give just that. Facts without opinions. I would love to see other drivers for all companies do the same, to some extent anyway. Let the other drivers on this board know what kind of money can be made. If people would stop driving for the bottom feeders, the day would come when these companies might have to stop paying slave wages.



The chart below shows the miles for each run of the past year. Please note miles are posted on the day the load was delivered and monthly totals are not adjusted to show partial miles for trips that begin in one month and end in another.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...ilageChart.jpg


The following will show various breakdowns of the mileage chart above.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...eBreakdown.jpg

Days lost due to Breakdown: 0

Total days of Layover: 0


NUMBER OF ILLEGAL LOG ENTRIES: 0


I was going to post my final paystub also, but it seems the payroll website is acting up today and I can't pull it up. But for now, here an approximate but very close to actual pay information for the year. Please note that my pay increased from 41cpm to 42cpm in September.

My final pay check on 12/27/07 for miles run through 12/21/07 was aprox $61,500.

Final Pay 2007 $61,500.00
Less: First paycheck 2007 for last week of 2006 - 575.23
Add: First paycheck 2008 for last week of 2007
including 1week pd/vac @ $1154 + 1612.59
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Gross pay for 2007 $62,537.36

Some of you will note that if you add 139,453miles by 41cpm that it doesn't come up to 61K+. The additional pay is due to Detention pay, Stop Pay, one referral bonus of $1000 and other various accessorial pay that is more detailed than I care to get into.

There are good companies and bad ones, why work for a bad one?

bigpapa7272 01-11-2008 06:12 AM

in the words of Borat "very nice"

How much experience do you need to sign on with crete? how long have you been with them? im going to school soon locally and weighing my options. Does crete take noobs or do you have to have a certain amount experience with them?

Cyanide 01-11-2008 06:25 AM

Good job!

Very nice to see someone besides me do this! The only thing I don't like is the fact that according to your numbers you only took off 53 days through the year of actual hometime. That's not a lot of time to reap the rewards of your hard work. But nonetheless, if it works for you that's the ONLY thing that matters. Stay safe, keep up the good work, and stay happy! :D

evertruckerr 01-11-2008 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by bigpapa7272
in the words of Borat "very nice"

How much experience do you need to sign on with crete?( how long have you been with them? im going to school soon locally and weighing my options. Does crete take noobs or do you have to have a certain amount experience with them?

For starters, do a search on Crete and you will find all kinds of info on them.

I've only been with them for about 1 1/2 years. I have 10 yrs driving exp, but most of it was local work(doesn't count toward pay level). I did have over 3 yrs OTR but couldn't verify all of it so I was started with Crete at the beginning pay of 41cpm.

Crete hires student drivers, but they must attend a PTDI certified school:

http://www.ptdi.org/

Or a school that has been pre-approved by Crete.

Trainees are paid $500/week for 8 weeks and then assigned their own truck and paid 34cpm for the first year. You will then be paid 41cpm. Huge raise.

Experience drivers are paid 41cpm for 1-3 yrs OTR exp and more for more exp.

evertruckerr 01-11-2008 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Cyanide
Good job!

Very nice to see someone besides me do this! The only thing I don't like is the fact that according to your numbers you only took off 53 days through the year of actual hometime. That's not a lot of time to reap the rewards of your hard work. But nonetheless, if it works for you that's the ONLY thing that matters. Stay safe, keep up the good work, and stay happy! :D

Hey Cyanide;

You are the one that gave me the idea, we need to show other drivers that they don't have to work for 30K a year.

I know what your talking about with hometime, it's my only real grip with Crete. I love Crete passionately and if you want a nice cushy job pulling a van and don't need to be home often, Crete is the only place to be. With that said, I put my app in with Superior last week. Imagine my surprise when I found out they have a terminal 10 miles from home. HOMETIME here I come :D

bigpapa7272 01-11-2008 06:49 AM

would they take me if I went to north american trade schools? North American trade schools is not PTDI certified but the course they offer is 320 hours

i cant see paying almost close to double for school just for ptdi certification. the only other reputable school in the area is allstate career.

evertruckerr 01-11-2008 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by bigpapa7272
would they take me if I went to north american trade schools? North American trade schools is not PTDI certified but the course they offer is 320 hours

i cant see paying almost close to double for school just for ptdi certification. the only other reputable school in the area is allstate career.

Call a Crete recruiter and ask them if they will accept your school

www.cretecarrier.com

As far a not seeing paying double for PTDI, see above pay and then try to get a swift, werner etc driver to do the same. The extra pay will more than cover the additional cost. Also, a number of Community Colleges offer PTDI courses for much less than the for profit outfits.

BHG0069 01-11-2008 07:06 AM

To the "Newbie" drivers that will be reading this. Please take into account that this driver worked extremely hard, often staying out MONTHS at a time. It takes a very dedicated individual to do this and I applaud his hard work.

If I ever decide to go back to a real OTR company, CRETE will be my first application. Sounds and looks like they treat you well for the work that you do.

Looks like you should take a nice two month vacation to Bangkok Thailand and spend a few thousand of that hard earned cash. :twisted:

gmh 01-11-2008 07:17 AM


Originally Posted by bigpapa7272
would they take me if I went to north american trade schools? North American trade schools is not PTDI certified but the course they offer is 320 hours

i cant see paying almost close to double for school just for ptdi certification. the only other reputable school in the area is allstate career.

How much is north american trade? College of Southern MD is only about ninety minutes from Baltimore (depending on where in baltimore you are:) and is PTDI certified. But yeah, I'd call a recruiter. If you PM me, I can give you the phone number for the recruiter I'm working with now.

evertruckerr 01-11-2008 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by BHG0069
To the "Newbie" drivers that will be reading this. Please take into account that this driver worked extremely hard often staying out MONTHS at a time. It takes a very dedicated individual to do this and I applaud his hard work.

If I ever decide to go back to a real OTR company, CRETE will be my first application. Sounds and looks like they treat you well for the work that you do.

Looks like you should take a nice two month vacation to Bangkok Thailand and spend a few thousand of that hard earned cash. :twisted:

You said it, I stay on the road for extended periods of time, but I do that so I can stay at home longer when I'm there.

What the chart doesn't show is the numerous extended restarts that I took (two days and one night type)on the road. These times were often spent in places like the French Quarter in New Orleans; Kittery, ME(there is nothing like a fresh lobster just off the boat); Las Vegas; Portland, OR; Phoenix, AZ(80 in Feb); South Beach, FL; Gulf Coast, San Antonio, TX; Chicago, IL(go Cubs); ETC.

Any major city has rental car companies that will come and pick you up and bring you back to your truck. I alway have a laptop with me and get great rates at 1st rate hotels and resorts through Priceline and Hotwire. I've been able to travel all over this country and see things on a regular bases that just wouldn't be possible working behind a desk. And I'm doing it on Crete's dime.


Yes I ran hard to make that pay. That's my style, I love to run hard. If I'm going to be stuck in this truck, I want it to be moving and making money. I don't think twice about working a 14hr day. The info only shows that it is possible to make good $ for those like me that love to run hard and play hard in between. The nice part about Crete is you don't have to run that hard. The way their loads are set up you can easily run 2500 miles a week or less, be home more often, and still make 50K year with little effort.

It's what you make of it, much liKE life.

Live it, Love it

Evinrude 01-11-2008 08:05 AM

I never tell anybody anything good about my job or were I work. The reason is I have nothing to gain. Only something to lose, like my job to somebody that is willing to work cheaper.

gmh 01-11-2008 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by evertruckerr
You said it, I stay on the road for extended periods of time, but I do that so I can stay at home longer when I'm there.

This is what I'm thinking. No wife, no kid, no gf. Why stick around here?


Originally Posted by evertruckerr
What the chart doesn't show is the numerous extended restarts that I took (two days and one night type)on the road. These times were often spent in places like the French Quarter in New Orleans; Kittery, ME(there is nothing like a fresh lobster just of the boat); Las Vegas; Portland, OR; Phoenix, AZ(80 in Feb); South Beach, FL; Gulf Coast, San Antonio, TX; Chicago, IL(go Cubs); ETC.

Plus I have friends across the country who I'd like to visit.


Originally Posted by evertruckerr
Any major city has rental car companies that will come and pick you up and bring you back to your truck. I alway have a laptop with me and get great rates at 1st rate hotels and resorts through Priceline and Hotwire. I've been able to travel all over this country and see things on a regular bases that just wouldn't be possible working behind a desk. And I'm doing it on Crete's dime.

I was wondering about the rental care pickup. Do you stick with a single company to get some sort of discount, or just go with whomever? Any pros/cons?

Better watch out, or the anti-OTR trolls will start coming out of the woodwork.

And yes, I can see that the work is hard. BFD. My first contribution to SS came when I was 10 years old, IIRC.

BHG0069 01-11-2008 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by evertruckerr

Originally Posted by BHG0069
To the "Newbie" drivers that will be reading this. Please take into account that this driver worked extremely hard often staying out MONTHS at a time. It takes a very dedicated individual to do this and I applaud his hard work.

If I ever decide to go back to a real OTR company, CRETE will be my first application. Sounds and looks like they treat you well for the work that you do.

Looks like you should take a nice two month vacation to Bangkok Thailand and spend a few thousand of that hard earned cash. :twisted:

You said it, I stay on the road for extended periods of time, but I do that so I can stay at home longer when I'm there.

What the chart doesn't show is the numerous extended restarts that I took (two days and one night type)on the road. These times were often spent in places like the French Quarter in New Orleans; Kittery, ME(there is nothing like a fresh lobster just of the boat); Las Vegas; Portland, OR; Phoenix, AZ(80 in Feb); South Beach, FL; Gulf Coast, San Antonio, TX; Chicago, IL(go Cubs); ETC.

Any major city has rental car companies that will come and pick you up and bring you back to your truck. I alway have a laptop with me and get great rates at 1st rate hotels and resorts through Priceline and Hotwire. I've been able to travel all over this country and see things on a regular bases that just wouldn't be possible working behind a desk. And I'm doing it on Crete's dime.


Yes I ran hard to make that pay. That's my style, I love to run hard. If I'm going to be stuck in this truck, I want it to be moving and making money. I don't think twice about working a 14hr day. The info only shows that it is possible to make good $ for those like me that love to run hard and play hard in between. The nice part about Crete is you don't have to run that hard. The way their loads are set up you can easily run 2500 miles a week or less, be home more often, and still make 50K year with little effort.

It's what you make of it, much liKE life.

Live it, Love it

Yea I hear ya brotha. When I was OTR my team partner and I made it a whole lot better than what it was. We stopped in Vegas for 24 hrs or so every time we went through. Tijuana, San Diego, LA, Chicago, NYC, etc etc. We traveled to all 48 continental states. Ive seen some of the most beautiful sunsets, mountains, deserts and wide open spaces that you can't imagine. Sometimes it sucked, being 3000 miles away from home. But the year and some months went by very fast being OTR, mainly because we worked our butts off.

And now like you I am switching to Superior Carriers. Did my road test this past Monday. This coming Monday I am scheduled to go in for my DOT Drug test and physical and hopefully be in training by Wednesday.

Hope to see you around some of the terminals there driver. Shoot me a PM if you are ever around the Atlanta area.

brian griffin 01-11-2008 12:18 PM

This is awesome; And these are the exact numbers i want to see.

i don't understand what the ave. miles per week including/excluding home time means?

ICS 01-11-2008 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by evertruckerr

Originally Posted by bigpapa7272
would they take me if I went to north american trade schools? North American trade schools is not PTDI certified but the course they offer is 320 hours

i cant see paying almost close to double for school just for ptdi certification. the only other reputable school in the area is allstate career.

Call a Crete recruiter and ask them if they will accept your school

www.cretecarrier.com

As far a not seeing paying double for PTDI, see above pay and then try to get a swift, werner etc driver to do the same. The extra pay will more than cover the additional cost. Also, a number of Community Colleges offer PTDI courses for much less than the for profit outfits.

Evertrucker...
I am a graduating student driver I just got my school approved threw crete the other day and they are sending us applications. You want to refer me so ou can get the extra cash.

evertruckerr 01-11-2008 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by brian griffin
This is awesome; And these are the exact numbers i want to see.

i don't understand what the ave. miles per week including/excluding home time means?

It's just two different ways of looking at it depending on what point of view you are interested in.

Average miles per week INCLUDING home time is total miles run for the year(139,453) divided by total number of weeks in a year(52) = 2682/wk

Average miles per week EXCLUDING home time is a more accurate portrayal of the miles you can run at Crete on a weekly basis when you are ON THE ROAD without the days at home distorting the numbers. In my case I ran 139,453 miles, worked 312 day(53 at home), 7 days in a week

139,453/(312/7)=3129mi/week. There are actually drivers that never go home or don't have a home. If you are in that situation your income level could be much higher because you never have down time.

If you don't go home and run 3129mi for 52 weeks

3129 X 52 = 162,708 miles @ 41cpm = $66,710

Not even I want to run that much, but there are drivers that do.

evertruckerr 01-11-2008 02:51 PM


Evertrucker...
I am a graduating student driver I just got my school approved threw crete the other day and they are sending us applications. You want to refer me so ou can get the extra cash.
I appreciate the offer, but as much as I enjoy driving for Crete I probably won't be around to collect a referral. I have recently put in an application at another carrier that has a yard less than 10 miles from my home and will make it very easy for me to get home on a weekly basis. It will be more of a challenge and more work but I am looking forward to it.

Things can alway change though, paper work hasn't been finalized yet.


UPDATE:

Looks like Superior Carrier has an issue with the number of employers I have been associated with over the years. Therefore my application has been turned down. For all you new drivers out there, and those of you that want to be drivers. Choose you employers wisely. If you sign on with the wrong one and they screw you over and you leave. You're the one that looks bad, no one wants to hire a job jumper.

Guest I'll just hang tight with Crete.

evertruckerr 01-11-2008 02:58 PM


I was wondering about the rental care pickup. Do you stick with a single company to get some sort of discount, or just go with whomever? Any pros/cons?
I go with whom ever is cheapest, and that varies on a weekly basis(i actually rented a mid-size from the Phoenix airport for $12/day through Fox rentals once). Usually National or Enterprise are the best about having shuttles. I have club cards for all the rental companies I use and a number of hotel chains. I usually get allot of discounts coupons sent to me via email that I can use to help me out also.

headborg 01-11-2008 05:25 PM

Hey, where do I log in to get MY print out like that? is there some secret codes you need to use at the Crete Driver on-line forum to get so I can get my print out?

@ Evertrucker ----You the Man!!!! I bow to your --forthrightness and open honesty Wish more drivers were like you and not bullshit everyone about being super trucker---- You did very well 139,000 miles is real good ---and you took your home time all together--looks like about 5days in a row each month---again not bad. And your "out of route" miles were well within the 10%( used to be an old bench mark)---4.4%.

Are you national, dedicated, or regional????????

Bumper 01-11-2008 05:45 PM

Everrrr....good luck with your application, I hope you can get hired. Being home is a good thing.

I have gotten at least two letters every month since I left Crete trying to get me to come back. Not to Crete, but to Shafer!! LOL

Unlike you, I left Crete very disappointed in their operation and would never go back there if I went back OTR. I got paid less per mile, but had less headaches and more miles with Central Reefer.

Im a very happy part time 2 state driver now. Home every night and no quallcom to get in trouble with for telling dispatchers where to stick it. ;)

evertruckerr 01-12-2008 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Bumper
Everrrr....good luck with your application, I hope you can get hired. Being home is a good thing.

I have gotten at least two letters every month since I left Crete trying to get me to come back. Not to Crete, but to Shafer!! LOL

Unlike you, I left Crete very disappointed in their operation and would never go back there if I went back OTR. I got paid less per mile, but had less headaches and more miles with Central Reefer.

Im a very happy part time 2 state driver now. Home every night and no quallcom to get in trouble with for telling dispatchers where to stick it. ;)

Thanks for the good wishes.

I wish things would have worked out better for you, I still feel bad about it.

Switching companies isn't for sure yet, never know what can happen. Will know more by the end of the week. I don't really want to leave Crete, but hometime is getting to be an issue. The new company I'm leaning toward is much more flexible in that regard.

dollarshort 01-12-2008 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by evertruckerr

Originally Posted by BHG0069
To the "Newbie" drivers that will be reading this. Please take into account that this driver worked extremely hard often staying out MONTHS at a time. It takes a very dedicated individual to do this and I applaud his hard work.

If I ever decide to go back to a real OTR company, CRETE will be my first application. Sounds and looks like they treat you well for the work that you do.

Looks like you should take a nice two month vacation to Bangkok Thailand and spend a few thousand of that hard earned cash. :twisted:

You said it, I stay on the road for extended periods of time, but I do that so I can stay at home longer when I'm there.

What the chart doesn't show is the numerous extended restarts that I took (two days and one night type)on the road. These times were often spent in places like the French Quarter in New Orleans; Kittery, ME(there is nothing like a fresh lobster just of the boat); Las Vegas; Portland, OR; Phoenix, AZ(80 in Feb); South Beach, FL; Gulf Coast, San Antonio, TX; Chicago, IL(go Cubs); ETC.

Any major city has rental car companies that will come and pick you up and bring you back to your truck. I alway have a laptop with me and get great rates at 1st rate hotels and resorts through Priceline and Hotwire. I've been able to travel all over this country and see things on a regular bases that just wouldn't be possible working behind a desk. And I'm doing it on Crete's dime.



Yes I ran hard to make that pay. That's my style, I love to run hard. If I'm going to be stuck in this truck, I want it to be moving and making money. I don't think twice about working a 14hr day. The info only shows that it is possible to make good $ for those like me that love to run hard and play hard in between. The nice part about Crete is you don't have to run that hard. The way their loads are set up you can easily run 2500 miles a week or less, be home more often, and still make 50K year with little effort.
It's what you make of it, much liKE life.

Live it, Love it

Well I don't know if I agree about the "running hard" statement. If you only go home 53 days a year and only run 139,000 miles I wouldn't call it "running hard." I would call it a person that doesn't mind camping out anywhere in the country rather that being home.

Myself....I am home a minimum of 100 days per year and usually run about 155,000 miles a year. To me that's "running hard."

But as long as you are happy doing it your way good for you. What seems to be killing your overall potential is those 300-500 mile runs, when you should be running 600 miles a day.

mbadriver 01-13-2008 03:43 AM


Originally Posted by evertruckerr

Originally Posted by Cyanide
Good job!

Hey Cyanide;

I love Crete passionately and if you want a nice cushy job pulling a van and don't need to be home often, Crete is the only place to be. With that said, I put my app in with Superior last week. Imagine my surprise when I found out they have a terminal 10 miles from home. HOMETIME here I come :D

You are in for a big surprise. I enjoy working with Superior, but as anyone will tell you, it has its drawbacks.

Equipment -

Underpowered Internationals. You won't find ANYONE bragging up the Superior fleet. None of that "all our trucks are 05, 06 or newer."

Take your Crete Freightliner Century Class and cut about 2/3's of the sleeper. They are tiny, they have no aux heater. The engine runs from the time you start it until you return to base.

As a new driver with them you whatever truck is laying around the yard. The Best of the Worst. It will be filthy, and most likely leaking something somewhere.

Administrative:

If you need a lot of hand holding (trip routing, directions, fuel stops) forget it. You are definitely free to think for yourself (i like that!)

Support: They leave at 5pm.

Miles: That story has been beat to death. You don't need a lot to make a good living at Superior.

Downside - to low miles = a lot of work. You gotta do a throrough pre-trip you never know what the condition is off the trailer you just picked up at the tank wash, or was pre-loaded. Climbing on top checking all the caps and seals, dome lid/seal, clean dry odor free. Internal valve pump, external valve. You just can't trust or assume anything.

Unloading - its compensated, but still is work. Up and down the ladder, sling hoses, air up, air down, inspect for heel. Buckets, caps, plugs, velcro strips. A bit of change from opening doors. Also the rumor is tank yankers suck at backing. Baloney, the places you off load can be a riot. Back around a 90-degree turn, down the hill, another 90 to the blind side - all the while the product is bouncing you around like a pinball.

It's a change from being a door swinger. The money is decent. I like my job and the weird little challenges. Not having some dimwit dispatcher sending me routing information devoid of any common sense is probably the best benefit :lol:

It's almost worth hiring with Superior just to spend the training week with Sharp and McPeek :lol: They are a hoot :wink:

Colin 01-13-2008 07:18 AM

One thing that I didn't see mentioned.

It's much easier for trip planners to get you miles the longer you stay out versus getting home weekly, unless you have a dedicated route that is 3 days out and reload next door, then 3 days back.

When I was OTR and it was less than 7 days to hometime, I always sat more. You just have to wait for the right load that's heading toward home.

Like I said in the other thread you posted these in, great job on record keeping.

Skywalker 01-13-2008 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by mbadriver

You are in for a big surprise. I enjoy working with Superior, but as anyone will tell you, it has its drawbacks.

Equipment -

Underpowered Internationals. You won't find ANYONE bragging up the Superior fleet. None of that "all our trucks are 05, 06 or newer."

You're right...not all of them are 05's or 06's.... some of the terminals have older trucks....but they are in a replacement cycle right now. I have been in an 07' now for about 6 months...and the 08's are coming in soon. Superior "buys" their trucks...they don't lease them. My first truck had well over 500K on it...but it ran well, and got the job done.

For me...the "drawbacks" are negligible....because my every need has been met, I'm home more often...pay is better than prior, and my blushing bride see's me much more often...so even she is happier now. But thats just me...


Take your Crete Freightliner Century Class and cut about 2/3's of the sleeper. They are tiny, they have no aux heater. The engine runs from the time you start it until you return to base.
You're right...the sleepers are smaller. But then considering how we don't spend nearly as much time on the road as box haulers...the need isn't there. I shut mine down whenever I can...sleeping in a shutoff truck down to 25-30 degrees doesn't bother me. But in the summer...it runs.


As a new driver with them you whatever truck is laying around the yard. The Best of the Worst. It will be filthy, and most likely leaking something somewhere.
Ouch....that was harsh. Mine wasn't filthy...it fact it was pretty clean, and it didn't have any leaks. I guess I was lucky in that the driver who had it before me was actually on top of the maintenance of the truck and kept it fixed. But I guess it will depend on the terminal and who drove it before you got it.


Administrative:

If you need a lot of hand holding (trip routing, directions, fuel stops) forget it. You are definitely free to think for yourself (i like that!)
True enough...."needy wimps" need not apply. If you need your hand held....you'll have problems. I route myself, I choose where and when to fuel....and I definitely think for myself all the time. I get my load papers from the terminal, grab the tank....and run the load. I'm left alone to do my job, and I do it. No-one bothers me...and I love that!


Support: They leave at 5pm.
True enough...but a call to any terminal main phone number will be routed to either the terminal manager or dispatcher on call....and it hasn't been a problem in the 15 months I've been at Superior.


Miles: That story has been beat to death. You don't need a lot to make a good living at Superior.
Dat's right!!


Downside - to low miles = a lot of work. You gotta do a throrough pre-trip you never know what the condition is off the trailer you just picked up at the tank wash, or was pre-loaded. Climbing on top checking all the caps and seals, dome lid/seal, clean dry odor free. Internal valve pump, external valve. You just can't trust or assume anything.
The upside to me is this: Many of my best paychecks have been weeks where the mileage was lower, but the compensated hours were high. A thorough pre-trip is a necessity anyway... it goes with the job. You're right...you can never assume anything.


Unloading - its compensated, but still is work. Up and down the ladder, sling hoses, air up, air down, inspect for heel. Buckets, caps, plugs, velcro strips. A bit of change from opening doors.
Thats where the big difference comes in...being actually compensated for what you do. No more bumping a dock after opening doors and giving time away free! I love it. $20.00 for the 1st two hours and $13.30 for each hour after that!! Biggest problem I've had lately is...my last couple of loads...all I did was open the dome!! They loaded it, and the consignee unloaded it...less than two hours on both ends!! No extra $$!! Just the $20.00 for the two hours on both ends of the load. But the $10.00 a night to sleep in the truck adds up too.


Also the rumor is tank yankers suck at backing. Baloney, the places you off load can be a riot. Back around a 90-degree turn, down the hill, another 90 to the blind side - all the while the product is bouncing you around like a pinball.
How right you are!! I wish I could take some pictures of the places or racks where we back into....and how we get to them.... gets pretty interesting sometimes. But you get really good at backing real quick. Its the flatbedders who can't back up... 8)


It's a change from being a door swinger. The money is decent. I like my job and the weird little challenges. Not having some dimwit dispatcher sending me routing information devoid of any common sense is probably the best benefit :lol:
I think the money is better than decent....and the work is far more interesting to me...and the people we deal with are a lot nicer and more fun than the average "warehouse worker".... and the directions are 99% correct....


It's almost worth hiring with Superior just to spend the training week with Sharp and McPeek :lol: They are a hoot :wink:
Yep, Jack and Mike are a real piece of work!! Frankly....I was alittle worried before I went to school....I was trying to figure out how they could keep us occupied and entertained for a solid week in class, etc.....but they darn well did it....and with a lot of good laughs to go along with it.

Just so everyone knows...I'm not trying to be contentious with mbadriver, just showing a a little different viewpoint...a different perspective if you will.

Right now... I'm in a nice motel in Markham, IL... I had a good week and pretty much ran out of hours, and I'm picking up a couple of zeros... so the company sent me to the motel for two nights....and they pay for it. I'm doing a reset in a motel....not a truck. I NEVER had a box company do that. And I'm getting layover pay on top of it. So, while there may be a "drawback" or two to this....to me the Pluses outweigh the negatives. My biggest negative is the smaller sleeper....but then I got used to it.

I have absolutely no plans to leave Superior any time in the future... unless I hit a big lottery
8)

wsyrob 01-13-2008 10:30 AM


so the company sent me to the motel for two nights....and they pay for it.
So how does that work? Did your dispatcher tell you to go to a hotel or did you have to ask for it? I am currently in training with Superior Carriers. Just trying to learn.

evertruckerr 01-13-2008 01:49 PM

Dollarshort wrote:


Well I don't know if I agree about the "running hard" statement. If you only go home 53 days a year and only run 139,000 miles I wouldn't call it "running hard." I would call it a person that doesn't mind camping out anywhere in the country rather that being home.

Myself....I am home a minimum of 100 days per year and usually run about 155,000 miles a year. To me that's "running hard."

But as long as you are happy doing it your way good for you. What seems to be killing your overall potential is those 300-500 mile runs, when you should be running 600 miles a day.
We can always count on you to stir the pot.

Perhaps I should have said running hard as I legally can.

I used to run like a mad man and loved it. I used to work for a company that would let me make my run anyway I want. Every week I would leave Phoenix at 7am Monday, drive 15hrs to Boise, ID, get 4-6 hours of sleep, make a delivery Tuesday morn and head on over to Seattle. I would get there in the evening and park at the customer and get a good 8 hrs sleep. Start my deliveries around 4am Wednesday , finish up by noon, pickup a back haul to Phx and drive until midnight or so, stop somewhere in Nev for a few hours to take a nap and be back in Phx by Thursday night. 3000 miles a week and I would sleep in my own bed 4 nights a week, except for the weeks when I would grab a load when I got back in town and run it over to La, grab a backhaul and get back to Phx late Fri. 150,000+ miles a year and home somewhere in the area of 200 nights(keep in mind,a night does not make a day,but I slept in my bed) a year and a substantially smaller paycheck than I make now. Life was good until one of our drivers feel asleep and killed a van full of people(yup, just like the Crete driver) and the DOT came down on the company.

So there, I'm a more gooder super trucker than you.(That's a joke). Not really, I have no doubt I could run circles around you dollarshort.

It's easy getting those kind of miles if you want to be a Maverick, and to tell you the truth, I miss those days. When I first started running legal, I thought I was going to go crazy, but once I got used to the idea and realized I could actually make more money with Crete and be legal at all times I found that job was much more relaxing. You know what, I don't even care if a scale is open these days.

I will admit that sitting around for these damn 34hr resets annoy me to no end and who in the world needs a 10 hr break.

Times are changing though, and sooner or later everyone will be running legal. Just wait until the activist groups finally succeed in getting the black boxes in all the trucks. The day will come my friend. I've just adjusted before you.

So there, tag, you're IT. GO! :roll:

Karnajj 01-13-2008 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by dollarshort

Originally Posted by evertruckerr

Originally Posted by BHG0069
To the "Newbie" drivers that will be reading this. Please take into account that this driver worked extremely hard often staying out MONTHS at a time. It takes a very dedicated individual to do this and I applaud his hard work.

If I ever decide to go back to a real OTR company, CRETE will be my first application. Sounds and looks like they treat you well for the work that you do.

Looks like you should take a nice two month vacation to Bangkok Thailand and spend a few thousand of that hard earned cash. :twisted:

You said it, I stay on the road for extended periods of time, but I do that so I can stay at home longer when I'm there.

What the chart doesn't show is the numerous extended restarts that I took (two days and one night type)on the road. These times were often spent in places like the French Quarter in New Orleans; Kittery, ME(there is nothing like a fresh lobster just of the boat); Las Vegas; Portland, OR; Phoenix, AZ(80 in Feb); South Beach, FL; Gulf Coast, San Antonio, TX; Chicago, IL(go Cubs); ETC.

Any major city has rental car companies that will come and pick you up and bring you back to your truck. I alway have a laptop with me and get great rates at 1st rate hotels and resorts through Priceline and Hotwire. I've been able to travel all over this country and see things on a regular bases that just wouldn't be possible working behind a desk. And I'm doing it on Crete's dime.



Yes I ran hard to make that pay. That's my style, I love to run hard. If I'm going to be stuck in this truck, I want it to be moving and making money. I don't think twice about working a 14hr day. The info only shows that it is possible to make good $ for those like me that love to run hard and play hard in between. The nice part about Crete is you don't have to run that hard. The way their loads are set up you can easily run 2500 miles a week or less, be home more often, and still make 50K year with little effort.
It's what you make of it, much liKE life.

Live it, Love it

Well I don't know if I agree about the "running hard" statement. If you only go home 53 days a year and only run 139,000 miles I wouldn't call it "running hard." I would call it a person that doesn't mind camping out anywhere in the country rather that being home.

Myself....I am home a minimum of 100 days per year and usually run about 155,000 miles a year. To me that's "running hard."

But as long as you are happy doing it your way good for you. What seems to be killing your overall potential is those 300-500 mile runs, when you should be running 600 miles a day.

I've said it before and I'm saying it again, your full of crap if you think anybody will believe that you can get those kind of miles and still be home 100 days a year. That's nearly 600 miles per day every single day you are out. When you factor in down time (truck maintenance, weather, traffic etc) it ends up being more than that. I don't buy it. Not now, not ever.

evertruckerr 01-13-2008 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by Colin
One thing that I didn't see mentioned.

It's much easier for trip planners to get you miles the longer you stay out versus getting home weekly, unless you have a dedicated route that is 3 days out and reload next door, then 3 days back.

When I was OTR and it was less than 7 days to hometime, I always sat more. You just have to wait for the right load that's heading toward home.

Like I said in the other thread you posted these in, great job on record keeping.

That is exactly why I stay out as long as I do. As soon as I get close to my home time (I live on the coast of NC and it's a bitch getting freight close to the house)I start getting short runs that keep me on the east coast. I appreciate Crete doing this to facilitate me in getting home, but it does affect my pay.

Karnajj 01-13-2008 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by Colin
One thing that I didn't see mentioned.

It's much easier for trip planners to get you miles the longer you stay out versus getting home weekly, unless you have a dedicated route that is 3 days out and reload next door, then 3 days back.

When I was OTR and it was less than 7 days to hometime, I always sat more. You just have to wait for the right load that's heading toward home.

Like I said in the other thread you posted these in, great job on record keeping.

Excellent point. Works that way at Crete. Started out trying to get home every two weeks but the miles sucked (for me). Three weeks and things were looking better. Four weeks seems to work the best for me. Staying out any longer than that doesn't improve things.

evertruckerr 01-13-2008 02:17 PM

mba driver wrote:


You are in for a big surprise. I enjoy working with Superior, but as anyone will tell you, it has its drawbacks......
Thanks for the heads up, but I feel I have a very firm grip on what's ahead of me at Superior. I've read all I could find on this forum and others about the company and have spent many hours talking to drivers at various truck stops.

I am very aware of how easy my job is now. As a matter of fact I don't even consider it work. Prior to Crete I pulled reefer for a dedicated account for 3+years and unloaded my own truck, every pound of it myself with nothing more than handjack and have restacked far more pallets than I could possibly remember. Not to mention the years I worked in framing and block construction in the Phoenix sun. I really need to stop patting myself on the back, I guess I could alway get dollarshort to do that for me.

I am certain the flexibility in hometime will more than makeup for the extra work, even if I have to take a bit of a pay cut. I love a challenge.

I figure if Cyanide can do it, it will be a breeze! :shock:

evertruckerr 01-13-2008 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by wsyrob

so the company sent me to the motel for two nights....and they pay for it.
So how does that work? Did your dispatcher tell you to go to a hotel or did you have to ask for it? I am currently in training with Superior Carriers. Just trying to learn.

Hey, this is a Crete thread, Go away. Superior Carriers suck(at least until I start working there) :lol: :shock: :!:

evertruckerr 01-13-2008 03:23 PM

OK, I'll try this point by point thing.


mbadriver wrote:



You are in for a big surprise. I enjoy working with Superior, but as anyone will tell you, it has its drawbacks.

Equipment -

Underpowered Internationals. You won't find ANYONE bragging up the Superior fleet. None of that "all our trucks are 05, 06 or newer."
They may be underpowered, but I've been passed up by you guys on the hills more than once. An underpowered truck is nothing new to a Crete driver. My current truck has 582,000 on it, but I keep it spotless and it's not any different than a new truck.




Take your Crete Freightliner Century Class and cut about 2/3's of the sleeper. They are tiny, they have no aux heater. The engine runs from the time you start it until you return to base.
Sleeper size really isn't a concern for me, I'm content with the bare minimum. As far as an aux heater, I could care less. I never idle unless the temp gets down to the teens(mostly to keep the trucks fluids from freezing). I sleep like a rock in cold weather. Summer heat is a very different story.




As a new driver with them you whatever truck is laying around the yard. The Best of the Worst. It will be filthy, and most likely leaking something somewhere.
I wouldn't expect anything else, standard practice at most trucking companies that I've dealt with in the past. I've had to detail a truck or two before moving my stuff in. Hope for the best, expect the worst and you'll never be disappointed.





Administrative:

If you need a lot of hand holding (trip routing, directions, fuel stops) forget it. You are definitely free to think for yourself (i like that!)
That's Crete to a tee, except they give you routing, directions(most of the time)and fuel stop. LOL! Outside of that they do expect you to be able to think on you feet and solve unexpected problems on your own without someone holding your hand every step of the way, that's why some drivers have a difficult time with the company. Crete actually expects you to be able to think for yourself. Here is your load information, get it there, and leave us alone. In my time at Crete I have talked to my fleet manager once, about a non-critical issue early on. Outside of my fleet managers assitant(who is a very pleasant woman) who I call to set up hometime and change fuel routing on occasions, I don't know a single person in the company and don't really need to. I do my job, they pay me, everyone is happy.




Support: They leave at 5pm.
Same here, God help you if you need help from the night or weekend crew!





Miles: That story has been beat to death. You don't need a lot to make a good living at Superior.
You will need the miles at Crete, but not as many as at other companies. If you know how to manage your time and your logbook, you will be able to get plenty of miles.





Downside - to low miles = a lot of work. You gotta do a throrough pre-trip you never know what the condition is off the trailer you just picked up at the tank wash, or was pre-loaded. Climbing on top checking all the caps and seals, dome lid/seal, clean dry odor free. Internal valve pump, external valve. You just can't trust or assume anything.
You can't trust anyone. Sounds like good advise to me.

Allot of work is no problem, as long as the paycheck justifies the effort.






Unloading - its compensated, but still is work. Up and down the ladder, sling hoses, air up, air down, inspect for heel. Buckets, caps, plugs, velcro strips. A bit of change from opening doors. Also the rumor is tank yankers suck at backing. Baloney, the places you off load can be a riot. Back around a 90-degree turn, down the hill, another 90 to the blind side - all the while the product is bouncing you around like a pinball.
Unloading through a hose or a reefer one box at a time, I'm willing to give the tanker thing a try 8)


Backing, 5 years of delivering materials with and end dump to constructions sites should cover that, at least you don't have to worry about the wind blowing your truck over as you unload a tanker





It's a change from being a door swinger. The money is decent. I like my job and the weird little challenges. Not having some dimwit dispatcher sending me routing information devoid of any common sense is probably the best benefit Laughing
The door swinging does have it's advantages. "Hey, I'm backed to the dock, let me know when your done"

Being treated like a person is alway nice, although I can't complain about Crete. They are good in that department, but it sounds like Superior has them beat anyway.





It's almost worth hiring with Superior just to spend the training week with Sharp and McPeek Laughing They are a hoot Wink
I'm going to request mbadriver, I hear he's a real pushover :o

mbadriver 01-13-2008 10:01 PM

The policy book you get at Kingsport has all the terminals and the company motel(s) for each terminal. Bobtail over, give em your company ID, and they give you a room. No money changes hands. I prefer the Holiday Inn at Rahway, although the Comfort Inn @ Markham isn't bad. Kankakee motel is a dump, but has a nice bar. Kingsport isn't bad.

At Markham, you don't want to stray too far away from the hotel, because the neighborhood can get a little rough. That convenience/liquor store at the corner S/W corner of 6 and Dixie - boy that's a rough crowd.

I like my job at Superior. I wasn't trying to be negative. I was just trying to give "real" picture of day to day life at Superior. It's a different job than dry van. For instance, a half full trailer of a low viscosity product. It's like having a cannonball rolling back and forth. If you get tired while driving, just slam on your brakes - it'll wake you up in a hurry :wink:

FWIW, every truck I have gotten (I'm on my fifth in 3-months!) has been filthy. Perhaps, it has to do with the trucks getting repeatedly passed down the line to new hires. New hires tend to get a bit "dirtier" loading and unloading. The grunge ends up back in the cab. That's just a pet peeve of mine - I'm a bit of clean (not necessarily neat) freak.

I slip seated at the last company I worked at, I went ballistic over the other drivers leaving their trash in the truck. Once there was white powder residue and a razor blade on the little slide out table. I didn't use that little slide out table until about 4-days out. Crime in Italy, I could have been in a world of sh!t :?

In my whopping 19-months of trucking, Superior is my 4th company. They are by far the best. FWIW, I previously worked at Roehl, Falcon Transport, and Schneider. Falcon operated somewhat like Superior and I liked them. Just couldn't get the consistent miles necessary for decent paychecks.

Oh well, I got to get ready to hit the road. Today I forego the $20 loading pay. I had the trailer pre-loaded. Will start my work week at noon. :lol: Oh crap, just saw the weather - a noreaster and I'm heading into the teeth of it. If it slows me down, I will have to click over to hourly pay!



Originally Posted by wsyrob

so the company sent me to the motel for two nights....and they pay for it.
So how does that work? Did your dispatcher tell you to go to a hotel or did you have to ask for it? I am currently in training with Superior Carriers. Just trying to learn.


Graymist 01-14-2008 01:50 AM

Crete's dedicated fleets
 

Originally Posted by evertruckerr

Originally Posted by wsyrob

so the company sent me to the motel for two nights....and they pay for it.
So how does that work? Did your dispatcher tell you to go to a hotel or did you have to ask for it? I am currently in training with Superior Carriers. Just trying to learn.

Hey, this is a Crete thread, Go away. Superior Carriers suck(at least until I start working there) :lol: :shock: :!:

On going through their website, I found that they have 3 dedicated fleets in the PA area ( I'll be moving to Pittsburgh ). Does anybody have information / experience with Crete's dedicated fleets, in terms of hometime, types of customers & products, live loads / unloads or drop & hook, weekly miles etc. ? Thanks in advance.

dollarshort 01-14-2008 01:28 PM



Originally Posted by evertruckerr
Dollarshort wrote:


Well I don't know if I agree about the "running hard" statement. If you only go home 53 days a year and only run 139,000 miles I wouldn't call it "running hard." I would call it a person that doesn't mind camping out anywhere in the country rather that being home.

Myself....I am home a minimum of 100 days per year and usually run about 155,000 miles a year. To me that's "running hard."

But as long as you are happy doing it your way good for you. What seems to be killing your overall potential is those 300-500 mile runs, when you should be running 600 miles a day.
We can always count on you to stir the pot.

Perhaps I should have said running hard as I legally can.

I used to run like a mad man and loved it. I used to work for a company that would let me make my run anyway I want. Every week I would leave Phoenix at 7am Monday, drive 15hrs to Boise, ID, get 4-6 hours of sleep, make a delivery Tuesday morn and head on over to Seattle. I would get there in the evening and park at the customer and get a good 8 hrs sleep. Start my deliveries around 4am Wednesday , finish up by noon, pickup a back haul to Phx and drive until midnight or so, stop somewhere in Nev for a few hours to take a nap and be back in Phx by Thursday night. 3000 miles a week and I would sleep in my own bed 4 nights a week, except for the weeks when I would grab a load when I got back in town and run it over to La, grab a backhaul and get back to Phx late Fri. 150,000+ miles a year and home somewhere in the area of 200 nights(keep in mind,a night does not make a day,but I slept in my bed) a year and a substantially smaller paycheck than I make now. Life was good until one of our drivers feel asleep and killed a van full of people(yup, just like the Crete driver) and the DOT came down on the company.

So there, I'm a more gooder super trucker than you.(That's a joke). Not really, I have no doubt I could run circles around you dollarshort.

It's easy getting those kind of miles if you want to be a Maverick, and to tell you the truth, I miss those days. When I first started running legal, I thought I was going to go crazy, but once I got used to the idea and realized I could actually make more money with Crete and be legal at all times I found that job was much more relaxing. You know what, I don't even care if a scale is open these days.

I will admit that sitting around for these damn 34hr resets annoy me to no end and who in the world needs a 10 hr break.

Times are changing though, and sooner or later everyone will be running legal. Just wait until the activist groups finally succeed in getting the black boxes in all the trucks. The day will come my friend. I've just adjusted before you.

So there, tag, you're IT. GO! :roll:



Just for your information I have, and always will run 100% legal. If I don't I will be fired.

The thing with the way we are dispatched, the driver is utilized to the best possible way to get the most miles possible per day. And yes I do run a minimum of 600 miles per day. EVERYDAY!!!!! Usually run about 675-700 per day. 8)

The reason I go home every weekend is because I never have hours left to run after Friday anyway, so why camp out in a truckstop for 34 hours when I can be home.

There is no reason to ever stay out more than a week unless you are wasting time. But that's not what I am out here to do. I never make an entry in my log book for a days hours less than 11 hours. It is usually 11 hours driving, 15 min. pre-trip, 15 min. post trip. Anything less is wasted time.

I you think you can run circles around me that's fine....I know what I am
capable of...Do you? :roll:

dipstick 01-14-2008 08:47 PM

Dollarshort said "Just for your information I have, and always will run 100% legal. If I don't I will be fired.

The thing with the way we are dispatched, the driver is utilized to the best possible way to get the most miles possible per day. And yes I do run a minimum of 600 miles per day. EVERYDAY!!!!! Usually run about 675-700 per day. 8)

The reason I go home every weekend is because I never have hours left to run after Friday anyway, so why camp out in a truckstop for 34 hours when I can be home.

There is no reason to ever stay out more than a week unless you are wasting time. But that's not what I am out here to do. I never make an entry in my log book for a days hours less than 11 hours. It is usually 11 hours driving, 15 min. pre-trip, 15 min. post trip. Anything less is wasted time.

I you think you can run circles around me that's fine....I know what I am
capable of...Do you? :roll:[/quo"



I work for Knight and I call BULLSHIT! Knight has the worse load planning I have ever seen. At Crete I was leading the National fleet with production for rookie drivers, with Knight I am starving. Crete has accepted my application to go back. As far as Knight firing you if you do not run legal I call Bullshit! again, I see more violations on HOS and pencil whipping inspections over here and nothing other happens except a verbal word from safety. Knight has many bush league drivers IMO. You can stop with the recruiting as the truth at Knight does not resemble your fairy tales.

Karnajj 01-15-2008 05:26 AM

Glad to see someone else call Dollarshort on the carpet for BS. Anybody with a sixth graders understanding of math can readily see that at his rate of pay there is no way in hell you can make the kind of money he claims to make.

-FlyByNight- 01-15-2008 07:36 PM

Nice job Evertruckerr! Looks like you've really mastered Crete's dispatch system and have it working to your advantage. ;) Thanks for posting the info and keep on truckin'! 8)

evertruckerr 01-17-2008 10:52 AM

The final numbers are in and it looks like my initial estimate of my YTD pay was a little high. So here are the actual numbers and a the copy of my final pay check that I promised earlier in this thread:


My YTD pay on my final pay check of 12/27/07 for miles run through 12/21/07 was $60,857.19


Final Pay 2007 .................................................. ................$60,857.19
Less: First paycheck 2007 for last week of 2006........................- 575.23
Add: First paycheck 2008 for last week of 2007
including 1week pd/vac @ $1154...........................................+ 1743.57
-------------

Gross pay for 2007 .................................................. ..........$62,025.53


Here is a copy of final paycheck of 2007, you'll have to take my word on the adjustments.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...07smallEOY.jpg


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