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Do you think Israel will do a pre-empted strike against Iran? Do you think the world will get involved?

The World already IS Involved-Even France :P Where have you Been?
I guarantee you that the US is talking to Israel Constantly about this right now and asking the Israelis to slow down a bit and not Hit the bastard where he lives BUT the US will be first ones there if his Idle threats become Military threats.
Understanding the situation in the Middle East Israel can't be the Ones to hit them unless it depends on the Survival of Israel.
Should Asassinate the Idiot but I didn't say that :P

I knew they where involved, I guess I should have been more clear. What I meant was if Israel strikes, do you think that could be WWIII? Sorry yoopr I should have been more clear, I am actualy following this pretty close.

Another way to Look at it, if you followed Desert Storm and Iraq was Lobbing their Scud Missles into Israel, was that Israel Didn't respond to it(That had to be TOUGH) because it would have made an Explosive situation(Literally) into Armeggedon(sp) and I feel that Israel and the World knows this. Israel's Patience with this kind of stuff amazes me.
Hope you understand my response

Its unlikely Israel will launch a pre-emptive strike this time around. Iran has learned from Iraq's Basra misfortune.

The Iranian program is dispersed, hidden and buried, making it very unlikely that a single strike could take it out.

The Iranian's have more extensive air defenses than Iraq had, and they're probably on alert.

The Iranian's certainly have folks watching the Israeli airfields for signs of a strike, reducing/eliminating the force multiplier of surprise.

Most important: Everybody in the world knows that it is unlikely the Israeli's could get a strike in without the United States knowing about it. We own the airspace over the Persian Gulf. Unless we've transferred some F-117s or B-2s to Israel, they don't have stealthy enough aircraft to sneak through. Which means we either have to stop them coming through, or join in to boost the chance of success.

Either way, counting on the Israelis to deal with this problem for us is unrealistic.

Israel could, and would,handle it very easily-It's just that the Middle East wouldn't stand for Israel going after their crazy Muslim brothers.

I voted yes. I know, I am 15, but hey, I keep up with the news and stuff going on. I just feel that a world war is growing close.

I understand completly, The main reson I ask is there defense minister said they where looking at the possibility. I know this has been a posibility for a while.

I think both yoopr and biker dad have very good points. But like yoopr I believe that Israel has the capability to handle just about anything thrown against her. And too deal double.

You, your feelings just may be right.

" To sift the nations with the sieve of futility; And there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, Causing them to err."

Our Intelligence in the US is Great but the Intelligence agencies in Israel are beyond belief.
I KNOW that P........ President in Iran is baiting us but for the Life of me I can't understand why. I don't think he really wants to be a Martyr :P
Maybe he DOES want to start Armageddon

Well He did say he was trying to get things ready for his messiah. Who knows! Maybe he is trying to. I just think this is going to brew outta control, matter of fact, I believe it already is and that time will tell.

But I would almost be certain if he does get nuclear capability he will attack Israel, and I don't think he will be alone.
What ya think yoopr?

If he can get a nuclear weapon there's no doubt, in my military mind :P , that he'll use it. I guarantee Sadaam would have but Israel hit it before that could happen.
These Muslim Terrorists are NUTS

Mr. Yoopr, with all due respect, U.S. intelligence is a joke as is homeland security..I live on the border of Mexico and Texas and it would blow your mind how easy it is for a Mexican to cross over...now can you imagine what well financed, well trained terror fanatics can do by just getting through this "security" ? It not unfathomable to believe that they have not crossed over already via this avenue. Not to mention the tunnels that were recently discovered in California. Sorry to get off the original thread a bit but I needed to address the lack of urgency on the part of our government in respect to our southern border....bd

One of the Few things I disagree with President Bush on is the Border issue.Canada lets ANYBODY in and then they're coming through on the Northern and Southern Border.
BUT, you KNOW that there are probably THOUSANDS of times that we haven't heard of where Terrorist Plans have been stopped.
Terrorists have to be Lucky ONCE-We have to be Right 100% of the Time.

Thank you and Amen brother......

No Doubt! Agreed!

Well the Palastinian's elected Hamas. I wonder if the $#!% going to hit the fan anytime soon.

No doubt those murdering $%^#@!&^% will stir up trouble....

here is how I look at if your naboure is a phyco "HAMAS, IRAN" and you know he has say killed a person or two and then starts to say I want to wipe your family off the face of the earth and the police" the UN" won't do anything and every day your phyco nabour is cleaning his weapon's and buying more and pointing them at your family saying bang bang every time he can. even in front of the police "UN" And then states that he is going to do a live fire exercise in his back yard to get ready to kill your family? and the police still won't do anything. one should not ask WWJD? But what would John wayne do? I say take the SOB's out fast Bush should just say Israel go ahead the cuffs are off.

I like that WWJD! But I do believe Jesus would probably do the same, matter of fact I believe the good book says he will one day!

...$%$hole Bush DOES NOT control Israel...they just have a better understanding of the consequences and do not just go in like gangbusters and create more havoc in the region...Israel will do what is best for Israel regardless of what of our government thinks....our government should be thankful that the Israelis have not opened up on these fools as it is...trust me Israel is not going to take too much crap from their Middle East "neighbors".....

I think I will post my feelings again.

I know that the President of the U.S. does not effect me very much, but I don't like him. Like I said, I keep up with the news and stuff, and it just seems that he is in it for HIM and no one else. Maybe its just everyone in my family who keeps saying bad things about him have rubbed of on me. I am not sure which it is, but thats the just the way I feel. He is not doing a very good job at running the nation, or thats through my eyes. This was not posted to start a fight, argument, offense, or any hard feelings.

Those crazy Iraquis will do ANYTHING to go sit with their god, whoever it is. ALLAY or something. If they believe they will get to go up there and be with him, they will kill themselves allong with a whole bunch of people. I can only hope I can live the rest of my life in peace not having to worry about anything, but I don't see that in the near future............

I don't think the US will give them a need to. I know if Iran get a nuke one thing they'll try and do is blow Israel of the map. There is the possibility but I don't think we will let it escalate that far. Shalom

The U.S. has stopped Israel.
We have not given them the codes for their planes to be recognized as friendly. Without these, the U.S. controlled gulf region air space is a no fly zone.
Without the U.S. Israel doesn't have the air force it has. Our financial and military backing has allowed Israel to defend it's self. Israel will not make an aggressive move without letting us know.

kimahri1114
You need to step back and ask yourself some questions.
How is the president in it for him? You don't take a job that pays $250,000 a year when you are worth millions to do it for your self interests. Weather you agree with a president or not is a different point.

As for not doing that good of a job running the country. I watched the smoke come off the south end of Manhattan for days after 9-11. I knew some of the firemen who went digging for the following weeks, and had friends who lost loved ones.
There have been two attacks on American soil.
The first ones to attack us, we dropped two atomic bombs on.
We have done what is necessary to keep our country safe and sadly it doesn't make everybody happy.
That's just a fact that some times the unpopular choice it the right choice. My president hasn't concerned himself with popularity just what is best for this country for the long term. He hasn't settled for the quick fix.

Your final statement says you hope you can live your life in peace.
That is what our troops are fighting for.
So you can live you life in peace without being in constant fear, and while they are at it they are liberating two countries where the majority of people in them had only known living in fear of their own government.

Stop thinking what people tell you to think and step back and make your own assessment.

..."Israel will do what is best for Israel".......codes or no codes.....

I am glad you can argue with a 15 yr old.

I was just merely posting how I felt. So calm down and don't bust a blood vessel.

I bet Israel DOES have IFF codes
anyway-back to the Point-US will tell Israel hands off and let us do the Job which is the way it should be knowing the Politics of the Middle East.

Again, as it was said earlier, Israel will do what they have to. They already made a strike in the Gaza strip, only because they had to. with all that goes on over there, they've been surprisingly patient, considering they are probably the only nation equipped with nukes over there.

Only time will tell, I'm just waiting to wake up or right before I go to bed, and see on the news that WW3 has started. But who knows "maybe someone or something will come and Promis peace to Israel" Hmmm, wonder who that could be?"sarcasm".

I think all of y'all have good points. Kimahri, LTC was not arguing with you, read that carefuly, He was stating some facts, then telling you to make your own opinion on those facts, instead of making and opinion on just feelings.. No argument just giving you something to go buy.

....The kid was stating his feelings, just because he is a kid does not mean he cannot form opinions of his own...give him a break...oh, LTC, the Dictator makes more than 250k.....

Never did I say he could not tell his feelings, I was just pointing out that I didn't think that LTC was arguing with him.

Ok. To LTC, I am sorry. I am not good at dealing with things like this. I just took it the wrong way. I am sorry.

slim, i understood my error after reading your post. thanks

bulldog, thank you for sticking up for me. its good to know i have peeps out there behind me.

now, back on topic!!! :lol:

Cool 8)

Kimahri you said you keep up with the news and stuff so I was wondering just what news you listen to. (Like CBS, NBC etc.)

The interesting thing over the weekend was Hamas winning the Palestinian election. That, probably more than Iran's stupid nuke ambitions, is going to blow the middle east wide open. Interesting times we live in, eh? :?

Usualy CBS. Don't know why. Just like that one the best.

You might want to try watching Fox or listening to AM radio usually all they talk about on CBS, NBC, or ABC is about how horrible everything is and how horrible Bush is in fact if you listen to AM try listening to somebody like Rush Limbaugh <sp>.

Most definantly!!

mmm. maybe thats why i don't like bush. becuase I have heard nothing but bad things. I will check those out. I will look on the internet too.