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robertt 01-09-2013 01:51 PM

Lance Armstrong
 
Like it says in the article, this guy has lied and lied and lied for years! And NOW he wants forgiveness, from OPRAH? He must really be broke and Oprah must really be hurting for ratings. I don't know what he expects. Are we really that forgiving of a nation?

Lance Armstrong Will Ask Oprah for Absolution, Forgiveness in Interview | Showbiz411

Mr. Ford95 01-11-2013 10:41 PM

He's so yesterday's news, do we really still care about him? He cheated, time to move on and forget about him!!

He thinks we should all forgive him, dude you lied for how many years? Your still telling lies and then thumbing your nose at the very people who banned you and you expect forgiveness? It was admirable that he overcame cancer to get back to racing bikes, that alone would have been a great enough story. I could forgive him for not winning another bike race after that. To come back and cheat then lie and cover it up and lie some more while winning nearly every time you got back on the bike, not so admirable. I think I'm more ashamed at falling for his lies and deceit, I should be the one asking for forgiveness as a fan who got hoodwinked by him. I can't believe so many of us got drawn in as him being the only clean racer in a sport full of juicers. A clean racer will never beat someone who is juicing in cycling. Look at Tyler Hamilton or Matt DeCanio. Neither could really make it with the big boys until they started juicing, both got caught.

mitchno1 01-12-2013 02:24 AM

every one in his day of racing were druged even now the New Zealanders of those days are admitting they were on it ,if every one had been straight i think armstrong would of still won the races .it was like the body building championships of those years.

Mr. Ford95 01-15-2013 08:48 PM

Without actually saying it, Oprah confirmed that Lance acknowledged he doped. To do the interview she and her 2 or 3 minions in attendance had to agree to not say what took place. Funny how she sounded like a politician in answering that.

I hope the USAD or USDA or whatever they are do not suddenly get a soft heart on him. They gave him more than 1 chance to come clean and name names along with showing just how he did it. If he is sincere in apologizing then he needs to go alone to Floyd Landis, Greg LeMond and a number of others and apologize face to face. How dare he call LeMond a cheater when he himself was cheating and lying about it............

RebelDarlin 01-18-2013 08:18 AM

Who cares? How is it any diffrent than baseball or football or any 'sport'? If we encourage so called athletes to play games for ridiculous money they'll look for whatever edge they can find. Until we pay teachers and soldiers what they're worth I won't support any one playing a game for millions of dollars. The priorities are so backwards it's sickening.

mgfg 01-18-2013 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RebelDarlin (Post 522648)
Who cares?

Exactly>next!

robertt 01-18-2013 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RebelDarlin (Post 522648)
Who cares? How is it any diffrent than baseball or football or any 'sport'? If we encourage so called athletes to play games for ridiculous money they'll look for whatever edge they can find. Until we pay teachers and soldiers what they're worth I won't support any one playing a game for millions of dollars. The priorities are so backwards it's sickening.

I agree. Armstrong didn't just lie, he ruined or severly damaged people's reputations to try and save his over the number of years that this went on. Does apologizing fix that? I don't think so. I believed everything that people were saying about this guy. If it smells like a rat, it probably is a rat!

I don't support ANY professional sport and I am getting disgruntled with college and high school athletes as well. Money and the greed that goes along with it have ruined everything....IMHO.

Mr. Ford95 01-18-2013 08:47 PM

RD, I do believe your seriously mistaken about all other sports. Cycling is the worst of the worst for juicing, been that way for more than 30 years. Every cyclist has juiced but not everyone has been caught. I would bet the farm that not every baseball player or football player is juicing or juiced. Do you see race car drivers juicing? That is considered a sport and they get paid as much as 8 figures a year but they don't do that(a few do the hard drugs though.) How about soccer players, don't see any of them juicing. Can't say much about the NBA since their drug testing policy is like Comedy Central, a laugh a minute. I will give you that MLB and Cycling have made steroids and such all the rage and I agree it's sickening when it comes to how much they are being paid to play a game instead of doing a real job and cheating at said game. We need to care though, we need to care when someone gets busted and show them our displeasure. Simply ignoring them and not caring doesn't fix the problem.

wot i life 01-18-2013 10:05 PM

Have to say, all credit to him for being able to keep his cycle in a straight line and win all those races despite the dope
Last time I smoked that **** I couldn't even get off the couch!

mitchno1 01-19-2013 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wot i life (Post 522673)
Have to say, all credit to him for being able to keep his cycle in a straight line and win all those races despite the dope
Last time I smoked that **** I couldn't even get off the couch!

yep think you doing a 100 look at speedo and you only doing 30

RebelDarlin 01-20-2013 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Ford95 (Post 522670)
RD, I do believe your seriously mistaken about all other sports. Cycling is the worst of the worst for juicing, been that way for more than 30 years. Every cyclist has juiced but not everyone has been caught. I would bet the farm that not every baseball player or football player is juicing or juiced. Do you see race car drivers juicing? That is considered a sport and they get paid as much as 8 figures a year but they don't do that(a few do the hard drugs though.) How about soccer players, don't see any of them juicing. Can't say much about the NBA since their drug testing policy is like Comedy Central, a laugh a minute. I will give you that MLB and Cycling have made steroids and such all the rage and I agree it's sickening when it comes to how much they are being paid to play a game instead of doing a real job and cheating at said game. We need to care though, we need to care when someone gets busted and show them our displeasure. Simply ignoring them and not caring doesn't fix the problem.

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I didn't care one way or another before so I don't care now. I've never understood the 'fan' mentality be it sports or hollywood. Idolizing these people only encourages them to think they're entitled to behave any way they want. IMHO Armstrong is no different than Lindsay Lohan. Self destructive behavior shouldn't be national news.

Mr. Ford95 01-20-2013 09:25 PM

Ok I'm confused.............you didn't care, you still don't care yet your here to tell us you don't care and still don't care............

Maybe I'm wrong but it appears your not a sports fan, so why are you even here in the sports section if that is the case? For some of us, being a sports fan is an outlet to this stressed world some of us live in. Who here said anything about idolizing Armstrong? He didn't juice due to fans idolizing him, it has been suspected that he was juicing back when he first started riding, BEFORE the cancer hit him. He was a rather large guy with muscle, made Jan Ullrich look small. So to say it was caused by fans idolizing him and stoking his ego would be naive. Juicers in any sport that are caught were juicing long before the fame and fans came. Anyways, of the handfuls of cheaters who are disgraced after being caught or those who behave bad, I can name double the amount who never juiced or behaved badly yet were idolized by fans.

As for what Armstrong did and your belief it shouldn't be national news, he represented the US at the Olympics. IMO that makes it national news. Now if Bradley Wiggins were to be the one on the hot seat and it was all over the news here, then I'd concede your point on why it's national news when he's British.

Mr. Ford95 01-20-2013 09:27 PM

The early return is that Lance could owe as much as $20+ million to people he sued and won along with endorsement deals for winning. That's only a few thus far, several others could join in and the number could jump as high as $60 million.

Mr. Ford95 01-31-2013 08:04 PM

Now Lance is trying to tell everyone he's the fall guy in the whole scheme of doping. Well if that be the case then he needs to start squealing like a pig and name some names. Telling us your a "fall guy" and then not saying who's really to blame.............guess he thinks we are just that stupid. He even brought up the fact that the Tour de France and the sport of cycling has always been about cheating since at least 1904, the 2nd running of the Tour de France.

Mark Webber, current F1 driver for Red Bull Racing gave some insight into Lance Armstrong. Webber is big into cycling, and really liked Lance so much so that they became fairly close friends. One year Lance asked him to get him some tickets and such to the Monaco GP for him and his entourage. Webber was able to pull it off but because it was asked of so close to the event it was a semi tough task. Race day came and the entourage was there but Lance never showed. Afterwards Webber tried to find out what happened and never was able to get in touch with Lance. Instead of saying hey sorry I got sick or some other excuse he just never responded........great character he is. Webber's story seems to jive with what many others have stated about him.

Blacksheep 02-01-2013 01:34 AM

bicycling really ? honestly who gives a flying turd that this punk cheated.

Mr. Ford95 02-09-2013 01:14 PM

Well for starters the people that paid him a lot of money for tainted victories. He captured this countries imagination as a super hero. Simply riding in the Tour de France is a monumental task that the majority of people on this planet wouldn't understand or be able to complete a single stage. It's a marathon for 26 days on a bike.


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