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Originally Posted by Dawn
Rev: I believe I said if you CAN do a pre-trip in less than 15 minutes you can flag it (normally I would say 7.5 minutes, but I am using your words to satisfy you!). I never claimed every driver could, but you do have the drivers that move faster than you and could do one in less than 15 minutes.
No, you can't. It is physically impossible to check all the items required in a pre-trip inspection in less than 15 minutes.
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Here you go: If you do a thorough inspection at the end of the day, why in the heck do you need to turn around and do a through inspection at the beginning of the day?
Easy. Because the FMCSA regulations REQUIRE it.
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Now downfall is the driver does their thorough inspection (pre-trip) before they take off (after they took @ least a 10 hour break) he finds something wrong (major) and he just got off the 10 hour break (which the truck could have been worked on during the 10 hour break) and see's something major wrong now he just took a 10 hour break PLUS he/she will be down the remaining time while the truck/trailer is getting repaired.
This is where you just don't comprehend. BOTH inspections are required, as the FMCSA rule states. You cannot brush over one, and "make it up" on the other. In the REAL WORLD, things can (and do) happen to a truck while it is sitting. I have had air compressors break overnight, when nobody touched the truck. I've had oil leaks occur when a truck is idling overnight. There is a reason that DOT requires an inspection before the truck is operated, and there is a reason DOT requires an inspection after the truck is stopped for the day.
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To my suggestion (which is what I was doing for the FAVOR of a driver) is telling drivers if you do a thorough inspection at the end of your day (which might be day or night, depends on when you like to drive) it SAVES YOU time!
No, it doesn't. Both inspections should be done as the FMCSA rules state.
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DOT normally looks for one of the 2 to be on line 4! If you take the 14 hour rule about being on line past your 14 hour, you can be on line 4 all you want past your 14 hour!!! Therefore all you are affecting is your 70 hour rule if doing the post-trip thoroughly (which you would eat up your 70 hour anyhow if it was your pre)
Skimming inspections is no way to "save time" on your 14 hour clock, or your 70 hour clock.
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Again my drivers have been doing it this way for 6 years and I HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM WITH a driver being fined or warned!
By that logic, then if I don't get fined or warned for speeding, then it must be okay. :roll:
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so that narrows Rev's issue's if you check all the pre-trip requirements at night and sign off everything is ok before you leave that is all DOT wants!
The FMCSA rules state otherwise.
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So I am here for the driver and I am here for the company; hmm why would I lead you wrong? I make no profit from me being here? I am telling you what you can do to save your 14 hour clock. Now if you can't do the simple requirements of a pre-trip (which I posted in the beginning, my first post to this post, I believe) in less than 15 minutes; then you should log how long it took you!
A correct pre-trip is not simple. Let's look at it, shall we?
Here's what you say the pre-trip should consist of:
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Originally Posted by Dawn
§392.7 Equipment, inspection and use.
No commercial motor vehicle shall be driven unless the driver is satisfied that the following parts and accessories are in good working order, nor shall any driver fail to use or make use of such parts and accessories when and as needed:
Service brakes, including trailer brake connections.
Parking (hand) brake.
Steering mechanism.
Lighting devices and reflectors.
Tires.
Horn.
Windshield wiper or wipers.
Rear-vision mirror or mirrors.
Coupling devices.
§396.13 Driver inspection.
Before driving a motor vehicle, the driver shall:
(a) Be satisfied that the motor vehicle is in safe operating condition;
(b) Review the last driver vehicle inspection report; and
(c) Sign the report, only if defects or deficiencies were noted by the driver who prepared the report, to acknowledge that the driver has reviewed it and that there is a certification that the required repairs have been performed. The signature requirement does not apply to listed defects on a towed unit which is no longer part of the vehicle combination.
But that is only half the pre-trip. Here's what you skipped over:
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§383.113 Required skills.
(c) Air brake skills. Except as provided in §383.95, all applicants shall demonstrate the following skills with respect to inspection and operation of air brakes:
(c)(1) Pre-trip inspection skills. Applicants shall demonstrate the skills necessary to conduct a pre-trip inspection which includes the ability to:
(c)(1)(i) Locate and verbally identify air brake operating controls and monitoring devices;
(c)(1)(ii) Determine the motor vehicle's brake system condition for proper adjustments and that air system connections between motor vehicles have been properly made and secured;
(c)(1)(iii) Inspect the low pressure warning device(s) to ensure that they will activate in emergency situations;
(c)(1)(iv) Ascertain, with the engine running, that the system maintains an adequate supply of compressed air;
(c)(1)(v) Determine that required minimum air pressure build up time is within acceptable limits and that required alarms and emergency devices automatically deactivate at the proper pressure level; and
(c)(1)(vi) Operationally check the brake system for proper performance.
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If DOT gives you a hassle explain I did my thorough inspection last night/day (post-trip) so if I needed repairs I could get it in the shop and in the morning I walked around and did what was required of my pre-trip.
That is a stupid thing to tell drivers to do - admit they didn't do a thorough pre-trip inspection. :roll:
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Rev: You aren't wrong, but you aren't using the brain for the drivers case! He/she benefits by doing the thorough inspection at the end of the day (which might be day or night, again depends on the driver).
No, they benefit by doing BOTH the way the law states, and not trying to save 15 minutes, that could likely end up biting them in the butt later.
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If DOT stopped you and they found nothing wrong with the tractor/trailer do you think they would write you up for not logging line 4 for pre-trip when in deed you logged a line 4 for post-trip, but you never went anywhere after your post-trip?
They might, they might not. But that doesn't change the fact that a pre-trip inspection is required, and is required to be logged.
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Rev: Since you picked on me about spelling errors in the beginning maybe you should do "SPELL CHECK" yourself! Normally I over look things like that, but he picked on me about a spelling error so you know if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. It goes to show you, you are not even perfect like you think you are! TEE HEE!
Show me where I made a spelling error. :roll: