At this point, I assume you are just bloviating and bullsh!tting to cover the fact that you were wrong, and don't want to admit it. I further assume that you KNOW you are wrong, and no futher discussion is necessary.

8 hours in the sleeper is ALWAYS "off the clock."

There is no reg against taking a 10 hour break following an 8 hour S/B break.

A 10 hour break taken ANYWHERE will "break the cycle."

Everything I quoted you on, and said you were wrong about, you WERE wrong about.

So sayeth Last Word Larry, the (less than) 3 year WonderTroll.

So..... is that an admission that you are wrong and you KNOW it?

Here's the thing, Rev. Yes, I have only been in the industry for 3 years. But, that means I never had to learn or operate under ANY of the "old rules." I know enough about them to know the changes that were made, but I am not "confused" by them when considering the rules as they are now.

I mean no disrespect to ANY of the more experienced drivers here when I say that I have found that MANY drivers who lived under the "old rules" have had problems forgetting them, so to speak, and embracing and understanding the NEW rules. I can see where some of the confusion comes from.

Nor do I mean any disrespect to the many O/O's here who never had a safety department (or in some cases even a CDL mill) to "teach" them the rules, be they the old ones or the new ones.

But, in your interpretations, I see an O/O who may have never had to go through a school, or had a safety manager, to teach them the rules..... or to be argued with. You MAY have been on your own to discern the rules for yourself from the beginning, and those rules have changed a few times.

For whatever reason, your recent post contained several glaring misconceptions which I quoted. I understand where the confusion comes from, but I can do nothing more than point out your errors, and correct them. As long as you continue to maintain that you are right, and quote regs that further confuse the issue, I cannot seem to make you understand the truth.

It is very simple, really. ALL references in the regs to "less than 10 hours" has the meaning and intent to distinguish between timeframes that would lend themselves to "split logging" versus a full 10 hour break which immediately breaks the cycle, and returns the driver to full clocks and "regular" provisions of the 11/14 hour clocks.

If a driver was so inclined (which would be a major waste of his time,) he could drive 5, break in the SLEEPER for 8, drive 6, break in the SLEEPER for 8, drive 5...... rinse and repeat forever and never incur a violation unless, or until he exceeded 70 hours on duty in 8 days.

Likewise, a driver can "split" 8 and 2, in ANY ORDER, and break the cycle at any time with a full 10 hours break (continuous) on lines 1, 2 or a combination.

There is NO reg that says you MUST take the 2 hour break first. And there is NO violation if you follow EITHER break with a full and continuous 10 hour break (if done within the time limits.)

You were WRONG..... plain and simple..... and you owe the poster an acknowledgement of this, instead of continuing to play games with me by quoting regs that sound like they support your position.

Obviously, any reg that is "defining" the rules of split logging, is going to EXCLUDE a full 10 hour break, because that would break the split. But, that is a far cry from saying that one CANNOT take a 10 hour break following either a 2 hour OR 8 hour break.

The 8 hour S/B break will ALWAYS be "off the clock," and any calculation of the 14 hour rule MUST exclude ANY 8 hour S/B break, regardless of what follows!

You cannot get a 14 hour violation while TAKING a 10 hour break (as you stated) if one didn't occur before you began that break.

And the cycle will be broken by ANY 10 consecutive hour break spent ANYWHERE.... not just the sleeper!

You made 3 erroneous statements, and I called you on them. If you don't understand where you are wrong, I suggest you attend a "refresher course" to keep your CDL! If you REALLY don't understand where and THAT you are wrong..... GOD help you! That might explain why it took you about 3 days to get from Georgia (or wherever) back up North where you belong!

Last Word Larry.

And what does that say about YOU.... when a (less than) 3 year "company driver" knows more about the HOS rules (and many others) than YOU?? :roll:

12 years on the road, and you STILL can't get it right? And, by your own admission, this is pretty much "all you know?" :shock: :roll:

I really have to question, at this point in your "young" life, if you really know anything?

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i dont start my logs until im loaded ready to go. then i put a pretrp/load a half hr on line 4 b4 i start on line 3 drivin out. thatll move all the wait time to the break i was finishing.....unless u have to drive to a customer then wait, but if the customer aint too far away u can "start" ur day when ur ready to pull off the property. sometimes ppl get jumpy an start loggin then run into havin to wait at customer forever u get raked over that way

That is a violation of the rules.

tell em how it is golf......whats wrong w this guy lol.....if it was illegal to do an 8 hr then a 10 then ida been in violation MANY times, lol....unreal

not really, ur jus changin it around a lil........just pushin ur start time out a lil

ur spossed to do 8 hrs 1st THEN 2 hrs.....the 2 hrs at noon jus comes off ur 14 hr clock.....they used to be able to do 2 n 8 or 8 n 2 till 2005 i think

Sorry, but you are incorrect. There is nothing in the regs that stipulates the 8 hour break first. In fact, most examples show the opposite. There are, however, examples of BOTH in the logbook examples section of the FMCSA website.

BTW... I understand what you are "doing" with your logs, and many "do it," but Rev is right that it is a violation of the regs.... in fact, log falsification. Don't get caught! LOL.