logging no no?
 

I now run the same route 5 nights a week and am home from about 0200-1500 hrs.
this is where the question comes in. I am logging this time on line 1 off duty. An other driver said thats wrong(I know I shouldn't listen but now worry about it) he said it should be logged on line 2 or I need a hotel reciept for DOT. I start logging and end at the same time and same location so it's evident that I must be home.

Line 1 - Off Duty

If you're at home why would you need a hotel receipt? There is nothing that says your off duty time has to be spent in a hotel.

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(h)(1) Off duty. Except for time spent resting in a sleeper berth, a continuous line shall be drawn between the appropriate time markers to record the period(s) of time when the driver is not on duty, is not required to be in readiness to work, or is not under any responsibility for performing work.

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I'm sure that same driver thinks you need white sheets, and DOT can give you a citation if your bed isn't made. :lol:

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and dont forget, your pillow needs to be fluffed

OH-MAN, I'm in trouble now :shock: I've got blue sheets! What about the blanket? :lol:
thanks for the info, I kina figuered off duty is off. I'm sure it would be different if I was still OTR

a Barney blanket is acceptable

While you logging "gurus" are "on duty" (not driving) I hope!,,,,, :D

I have a quick question.

What is the maximum number of hours allowed for driving during a 24 hour period?

I know it sounds like a basic premise of HOS, but I just recently realized it isn't.

you can be on duty for 14 hours out if which you can drive for 11 hours, then you must have 10 hours rest, so the maximum time you could drive during a 24 hour period would be 11 hours

13.75 the 10 hour break resets the clock for you and you have your next 11 to use. Under the old 10 and 8 there were plenty of days I did 15.75 as long as I had that 8 hours in between shifts DOT boys said I was fine. Trouble is you will fry your hours faster than Rosy Odonnell gets fired from the View.

Ahh trucker math and a lack of understanding of the HOS. :P

It would be no more than 13.5 hours in most situations. (Figuring 2 vehicle inspections during that time).

Now what exactly is trucker math? :lol:

Midnight until 11 am driving = 11 hours
11 am until 9 pm sleeper berth = 10 hours
9 pm until midnight driving = 3 hours

Theoretically, 14 hours, but that isn't going to happen in the real world.

without having to load or unload, you will have to pre tip.
That is going to cost one half hour, depending on your tank size, you might have to fuel, there goes half hour more.
The only way to get out of that one, Is to fuel and pt at the same time.

the way it is you can not steel from the ten off, but you can from the three on duty.

twenty is more like it.

The rev forgot to pre trip twice so his 14 is in all reality going to be 13

In theory, you could have done a pre-trip at 11:45 pm, and started driving at 12:00 am. That eliminates one pretrip right there.

You're assuming fueling is necessary.

Didn't forget anything. I purposely left them out. But in the interest of fairness, here's a best case scenario for a single day.

11:45pm - 12:00 am = pre trip, tanks are full
12:00 am - 11:00 am = 11 hours driving
11:00 am - 9:00 pm = 10 hours sleeper berth
9:00 pm - 9:15 pm = pre trip
9:15 pm - 12:00 am = 2 hours, 45 minutes driving

Total driving time: 13 hours, 45 minutes.

The real question should be: Why would anyone want to drive 13 hours, 45 minutes in a single day?

In theory, you could have done a pre-trip at 11:45 pm, and started driving at 12:00 am. That eliminates one pre-trip right there.

so now your day is twenty four and a quarter long.

You're assuming fueling is necessary.

never had a truck run without yet.

Didn't forget anything. I purposely left them out. But in the interest of fairness, here's a best case scenario for a single day.

nice one. try telling that to the scale master.

seventy two point pre trip in 15 Min's that's refreshing :roll:

Learn to quote, please. Also, learn what "best case scenario" and "theory" mean.

I was thinking 24 hr period,,, that is any 24 hour period, does not have to begin or end with the date change.

So 13.5 hours, drive 6.75 off 10, drive 6.75, but I guess 13 would be closer to reality with fueling. And as one said you would use up your total hours rapidly and probably wear your ass out quickly.

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Hey got it.

So the next time I get called into a scale, I will tell the scale master that this is my best case scenario, in theory.

In a real world application, you're hard pressed to find anyone stupid enough to drive that many hours, thinking they can legally do so. :roll:

Maybe just a copy of the honey do list would work. lol. Home is off duty in the log book, no way around it. Unless you're still sleeping in the truck.

ok, there are 24 hours in 24 period so the maximum number of hours you could drive in a 24 period would be 24.. I didnt say maximum allowed, I said maximum possible. Okay, Rev, let's see you dispute that

It depends what day of the year it is. On March 9 of this year, there are only 23 hours in the day, and on November 2nd, there are 25 hours. So there. :P

Ask Rev and Steve Booth. They've had some enlightened discussions on the subject.

ok, question here.

I do a 15 min fuel/pre-trip drive for the day then do a "quick" post-trip.

I log 15 minutes in the morning, but since i do a quick one at night, i only flag it (ie 7 minutes or less) legal?

my understanding is if it's 7 minutes or less you can flag, over 7 minutes you need to log to the nearest 15 minutes / 1/2 hr.

when i started driving, everything i did was eating up my hrs, then someone told me about flagging and saved me a ton of time ( when needed )

There is no rule that says anything about more or less than 7 minutes, that's a lunch counter myth. You can actually flag anything that takes less than 15 minutes.

Correct. Anything less than 15 minutes can be flagged.

doesnt matter,I said a 24 hour period, not a day.. SO THERE... NANA BOO_BOO

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Its very simple if you are out of the truck sleeping at home then your off duty and the guy is a flake,, your correct he is wrong... :evil: :twisted:

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Thats right. If you are not in the sleeper berth.....you are to log "off duty". Its as simple as that.

While its best to have a copy of a motel bill to substantiate a stay in a motel, its not 100% necessary. I stay in motels that the company has contracts with....I just sign in and sign out. I do not necessarily get a copy of the bill. If I show more than 10 consecutive hours off duty the point is "moot". I have met the requirements according to the "Fed". http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...ochure2005.htm

The answer to a possible rebuttal: In the event a DOT officer wants proof that I stayed in a motel....I would hit the auto-dial on my cell phone calling the terminal that pays that motels bill...and have them validate the log entry to the nice officer. Push come to shove...if the officer insists on seeing the motel bill...a call to the motel with the DOT's fax number would take care of that.

But, funny thing is....I have NEVER been asked for the motel bill...

Oh, if for some reason I stay in a motel due to "breakdown" away from a terminal....and I pay the bill and send it in for re-imbursement... I do keep a copy of the bill with me....as much to compare to my pay statement as anything else.


Trucker math: A method of computing numbers that arrives at the desired results with absolutely no correlation to reality" :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Why would a DOT officer want proof that you stayed in a motel? There's no FMCSA regulation that says you have to.

Pre-trip is only required once every 24 hours.

Mark

There you go again pre trip is in your day. 1 If you change trailers 2. at anytime you stop for more then 10 hours or any change of service.. :twisted:

A trailer is part of the vehicle, and requires an inspection prior to operating it.

§396.13 states that before operating the motor vehicle, the driver must inspect it to make sure it is in safe operating condition. §396.11 states that every unit must be inspected before operating the combination.

Any time you start driving the vehicle, including after a 10 hour break or any other change of duty status, you are required to inspect the vehicle. Technically, mdgardner is correct, as you need to inspect the vehicle after a 10 hour break or more. What he isn't taking into account is that you also need to inspect it after a break of less than 10 hours, or any other time you are going to drive the vehicle.