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There ya go....a society with no panties....thats the problem here. Get some brass and put on Boxers or Briefs and leave them panties where you found em.
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Originally Posted by countryhorseman
For the individual that was saying Amatuer Radio is not important! Funny, this area thought they were quite important and valuable. Recent article from the ARRL, there are many more like this! Just to stir the ignorance pot some more, :wink: !
==> MICHIGAN HAMS ACTIVATED DUE TO STORMS AND TORNADO On Friday, August 24 at 5:15 PM (EDT), the National Weather Service issued a severe thunderstorm warning for Genesee County. This storm produced two tornados in the mid-Michigan area that caused severe damage to several towns. The greatest damage occurred in the City of Fenton located just south of Flint. The NWS confirmed that an EF2 tornado had touched down and had torn a path 26 miles long and up to 0.5 miles wide through Livingston, Oakland, Genesee and Lapeer County, damaging at least 250 homes and businesses. An EF2 tornado, using the Enhanced Fujita scale, is a wind estimate of 110-135 MPH in a three-second gust. More than 12,000 people lost power due to the storms. Before the tornado hit, Michigan's Genesee County ARES and SKYWARN were activated due to a severe thunderstorm watch. The storm moved into the county with such heavy rain that visibility dropped down to zero at several points. Funnel clouds were seen in the western part of the county, but these could not be confirmed. The NWS issued a Tornado Warning based on confirmed sightings in the adjacent counties to the west, as well as reports from their Doppler radar. As spotters continued to watch the storm, Randy Bond, N8VDS, spotted the funnel heading for Fenton and reported it to the NWS via his ham radio; Fred Moses Jr, W8FSM, confirmed the sighting. Moments later, the Genesee County 911 central dispatch center received a call that the roof on the brand new Tractor Supply Company store in Fenton had caved in and that the tornado had touched down. About half of the Fenton Community Center's roof was blown off, and debris from the building blew across the road to Fenton United Methodist Church. Genesee County 911 called out the fire departments and activated their Fire Coordination Plan. Ham radio spotters have an agreement with Genesee County fire departments to provide supplemental communications for the departments. Hams were providing communications via the SKYWARN net and the Fire Coordination net. As the county's fire departments started to move toward the building collapse in Fenton, hams were already on the scene. Bond and Mike Schafer, KB8RVP, shifted gears from weather spotters to Fire Coordination operators. At the request of the fire chief at the scene, Bond went to the Fenton City fire station and, using ham radio, assisted their dispatch center; the storm had damaged their radio fire communications tower, so Bond and Schafer started working dispatch for them using their ham radios until the dispatch center was able to resume normal fire communications. Jerry Baker, KD8AYL, was next to arrive on the scene at the collapsed building and after meeting with the Incident Commander, Baker was assigned the task of setting up radio communications with more ARES volunteers in the Flint region. As more reports of damage came in, the Fenton City and Township Fire Department became overloaded; their crippled communications tower did not help matters. ARES Emergency Coordinator for Genesee County Greg Ybarra, N8HXQ, coordinated the response during this incident and put out a call for help to District 3 Emergency Coordinator Greg Allinger, WA8OGJ. Allinger contacted other ARES units in the state, and Amateur Radio operators from nine Michigan counties responded to the Fenton area to help. Evaluation of the damage started immediately after the storm. Baker was reassigned to a relief shelter to aid the Red Cross. What would normally have been a drive of less than 10 minutes took almost an hour due to trees and power lines down everywhere. "Trees as much as 36 inches in diameter and more than 100 years old had been ripped out of the ground by the storm; regular electric power was out and the damage reports just never seemed to end," he said. The Genesee County Office of Emergency Management activated their Mobile Command Unit. The MCU has an Amateur Radio station in it, as well as radios for all public service organizations. The city set up a command post in the parking lot of the Fenton City fire department and began operations from there. Michigan State Police responded to the area and instituted an 8 PM curfew for everyone. State and local police set up road blocks. Access was restricted to police, fire, National Guard, Red Cross, Salvation Army or ARES. ARES volunteers worked with all aspects of the incident. Damage reports and assessments continued until 1:30 AM Saturday when the Incident Commander determined everyone should break until 5:30 AM to get some rest. And the few truckers talking on their 10 meter radios did not cause any interference at all |
I didnt say hams were unimportant. I said it was a dying hobby and those frequincies could have a better use. I also said truck drivers would have a more important use for some of those bands.
I was mearly pointing out that there are better technologies for communicating nowadays. For the record im a local storm spotter here in NW arkansas, I have never had the need for a ham radio after a big storm. |
First off, amateur radio is NOT "dying". This is a feeble myth promoted by the CB afficiendos either to try to "balance" the scales WRT to legitimacy and validity. or to justify their often illegal and unethical actions. The facts ARE: "amateur radio has remained more or less steady since 1959 with numbers of about 600,00 + or - for all this time. If it were NOT for amateur radio, you wouldn't even HAVE a CB: Marconi, if you use the definition of experimenter and "ham", WAS the FIRST ham from which ALL radio was born.
Next, to look at the best utilization of frequencies, within the trucking industry, you already HAVE other radio resources that are are barely used, or not at all. To compare such utilization of the amateur community and CB is to look at a vastly different outlook on how radio is to be used. CB radio is an appliance used in the same as a TV set or a steam iron. You turn it on, select a "channel" and talk. There is no provision for training or organization within CB and chaos reigns supreme. Indeed, the "solution" in the minds of the CBer is MO POWAH, MO CHANNELS, MO THIS, MO THAT! To the untrained mind, all that "MO" stuff is the cure. All it does is create more interference, more noise, more hash and trash and nobody knows why. So it then becomes a never-ending cycle of gimme, gimme, gimme! 'I need MO channels"! NO you don't! YOu'll just hash and trash them like the existing ones. "I need MO POWAH so I can talk over the next guy". No you don't! "I needs them '10 Meter channels' so I can talk because I am more important than the other guy (after all, I've got this big truck, so it makes me BIG and IMPORTANT! :D ) While I know some of us won't LIKE these words, they are still TRUE!!!! The honest-to-gosh truth is, CB operators don't utilize what they HAVE already efficiently and effectively!!!!! The CB 'hobby' doesn't NEED "more"!!!!! :shock: Out of the 40 channels, only a FEW are crowded! That's because birds of a feather flock together! If the CB channels were quiet, what do you think's gonna happen? THE CB OPERATOR IS GOING TO WHERE THE NOISE AND ACTION IS!!! :D He's not going to sit there listening to a "dead" channel, right? Therefore, you have a huge bunch on 19, for example, and only a few on the others (with the exception of Ch 6--the raison d'etre escapes me!) So it then also becomes a contest of wills and 'I am bigger than you'. Bigger amp, more 'channels', more muffled audio, more to make up for what portion of the op's anatomy is lacking. Drivers could take advantage of MURS and FRS to get quiet, FM transmission and VHF propogation that gets RID of a lot of the noise, the hash and the "skip". To so many, the ability to talk TO and OVER long distance stations is an attraction, but it only makes the overall performance of CB WORSE. One example of this is the use of 500 watt amplifiers simply to talk to the truck right in front, and it simply is born of ignorance of how radio should work. You are MAKING your own problems that more "channels" will not cure, and more power only makes worse! The low wattage, VHF stuff is ideal because, quite simply, more people can occupy the frequency at a given time and at a given distance from each other. IOW, only so many people are going to be affected by you (and vice versa) because of the lack of "skip". So USE what you have more effectively. Learn as a group how to make your usage better. Finally, getting "channels" away from the hams is a pipe dream. Not meant as a flame; just a fact. There are some reasons for this. 1) CB radio is a "dead" technology inso far as development is concerned; it is "stuck" right where it was in 1958! Cellphones, computer terminals, instant messaging, fax----all have taken the role that CB had in 1958. 2) It has somewhat peed in its own grits by engaging in illegal activity FAR more than any other radio service, and proven that it has to be CONTAINED, not expanded lest it create more problems for other users (such as the theft of 28 MHZ). 3) Amateur radio still provides a vital link in disaster communications, public service, and is designed to keep a reserve of radio operators who have a basic knowledge of radio and electronics in time of war. IOW, while they are civilians, they are also dedicated to the hobby and to the advancement of radio. 4) The assignment of frequencies is not JUST a "USA" thing, but is also an international matter under something called ITU (International Telecommunications Union). This is how nations determine how best to utilize and assign frequency resources thru agreements, treaties, and special rulings. The US is a signatory to these treaties and agreements, and we couldn't just "hand over them 'channels'" if we wanted to without causing an international incident. The 10 Meter band is one of those heavily regulated bands where we can't just give frequencies away WRT the USA. 5) Contrary to popular CB myth, there is NO such thing as a 'freeband', and much of the area between 27.405 and 28.000 is controlled by something called NTIA (National Telecommunications & Information Authority/Agency). This agency trumps FCC and controls all government and military communications, and all resources in that area ARE assigned. Just because you don't HEAR something that sounds like talking doesn't mean it's OK for you to yap there! :) If they want to use those frequencies, they are NOT required to yield to you and the one time they found you on there, $10,000+ is pretty steep! RR |
Radio Ray said:
To so many, the ability to talk TO and OVER long distance stations is an attraction, but it only makes the overall performance of CB WORSE. One example of this is the use of 500 watt amplifiers simply to talk to the truck right in front, and it simply is born of ignorance of how radio should work. You are MAKING your own problems that more "channels" will not cure, and more power only makes worse! Is that why "hams" run 2000 watts to talk to the guy on the other side of town? Why even have 2000 watts? Seems like countries like Australia does fine on 200 watts. Or why the UK is limited to 400 Watts? kc0iv |
I AGREE with you! Power is a much over-rated thing when as little as 2 watts will get you over 1000 miles at times! And I don't understand the hams that run the full gallon no matter the conditions. I NEVER do that, and I have an AL811 Ameritron sitting on the desk. I almost never even turn it on because my barefoot 100 watts is more than sufficient 99% of the time. Unnecessary power creates more problems than it solves including interference to other stations.
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Originally Posted by kc0iv
Radio Ray said:
To so many, the ability to talk TO and OVER long distance stations is an attraction, but it only makes the overall performance of CB WORSE. One example of this is the use of 500 watt amplifiers simply to talk to the truck right in front, and it simply is born of ignorance of how radio should work. You are MAKING your own problems that more "channels" will not cure, and more power only makes worse! Is that why "hams" run 2000 watts to talk to the guy on the other side of town? Why even have 2000 watts? Seems like countries like Australia does fine on 200 watts. Or why the UK is limited to 400 Watts? kc0iv I would have to get the frequency chart out, but legally I think the highest Permissible Legal power on any band is 1500. So either you are guessing at watts, basically mistaking it for a well tuned antenna, or the individuals you are speaking of are operating illegally, and more than likely without a license. |
Originally Posted by countryhorseman
Legal operating hams do not use 2000 watts, first off! I have communicated with Australia and Europe on voice with only 20 watts PEP, and several other countries with only 5 watts using digital (i.e. Morse Code), I can talk to anyone in the U.S. on HF with less than 50 watts.
I would have to get the frequency chart out, but legally I think the highest Permissible Legal power on any band is 1500. So either you are guessing at watts, basically mistaking it for a well tuned antenna, or the individuals you are speaking of are operating illegally, and more than likely without a license. You must be fairly new to "ham" radio. The phrase "2000 watts" is an term for 1500 P.E.P. watts. It goes back to the old days when the FCC rules were written for DC input power to the final amplifier. "Hams" back in those days didn't have meters that could read P.E.P. Which as a side note most "hams" still don't have meters that can accurately read P.E.P. Any way "hams" use to call the old ratings as a "gallon" and the new rating as 2 gallons" and somewhere along the way it got change to 2000. Any way to be technical per Sec. 97.313 (a) "An amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications." And very few "hams" follow the letter of the law. Having a "well tuned antenna" has nothing to do with wattage. You said: Legal operating hams do not use 2000 watts, first off! I have communicated with Australia and Europe on voice with only 20 watts PEP, and several other countries with only 5 watts using digital (i.e. Morse Code), I can talk to anyone in the U.S. on HF with less than 50 watts. "Morse Code" is not technically a form of digital transmission. Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code Morse code can be transmitted in a number of ways: originally as electrical pulses along a telegraph wire, but also as an audio tone, a radio signal with short and long tones, or as a mechanical or visual signal (e.g. a flashing light) using devices like an Aldis lamp or a heliograph. Morse code is transmitted using just two states (on and off) so it was an early form of a digital code. However, it is technically not binary, as the pause lengths are required to decode the information. As to operating illegally look at the old ads for the Henry 3K and 4K amplifier . Or maybe the Henry 5K. Do you believe these and other amplifiers are not operated above the legal limits? Yes -- "Hams" break the laws. Surprise. kc0iv |
Originally Posted by "kc0iv
You must be fairly new to "ham" radio. Having a "well tuned antenna" has nothing to do with wattage. "Morse Code" is not technically a form of digital transmission. Quoting from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code [/color] Morse code can be transmitted in a number of ways: originally as electrical pulses along a telegraph wire, but also as an audio tone, a radio signal with short and long tones, or as a mechanical or visual signal (e.g. a flashing light) using devices like an Aldis lamp or a heliograph. Morse code is transmitted using just two states (on and off) so it was an early form of a digital code. However, it is technically not binary, as the pause lengths are required to decode the information. As to operating illegally look at the old ads for the Henry 3K and 4K amplifier . Or maybe the Henry 5K. Do you believe these and other amplifiers are not operated above the legal limits? Yes -- "Hams" break the laws. Surprise. kc0iv "Morse code is the only digital modulation mode designed to be easily read by humans without a computer, making it appropriate for sending automated digital data in voice channels, as well as making it ideal for emergency signaling, such as by way of improvised energy sources that can be easily "keyed" such as by supplying and removing electric power (e.g. by switching a breaker on and off)." |
Still not a digital mode even though a digital signal may send the morse code for you.
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