Hmm.... not as quick as I thought! Been there and done that allready.

I'll explain it as soon as you explain how road construction is an "adverse driving condition". :roll:

Allready BEEN there and done THAT, too! And I never said road CONSTRUCTION was an adverse condition.... I said the total SHUTDOWN of a road under construction is UNUSUAL, and therefore qualifies as ADVERSE.

And I even went on to point out that anytime TRAFFIC comes to a full stop, for any length of time, on a FREEWAY.... it is UNUSUAL and qualifies for the ADVERSE condition exemption.

Unless of course, you or your dispatcher are psychic!! :roll:

"Unusual" is not a definition of "Adverse". Heck, it isn't even a synonym.

I bet you think that rush hour through Chicago qualifies for the Adverse Driving Conditions exemption. :roll: After all, traffic FREQUENTLY comes to a full stop for long periods of time. But it certainly isn't unusual (just like road closures in a construction zone aren't unusual).

Nope - I just know how to plan a trip, so I'm not "flying blind" like you are.

Moved to the proper thread. :lol:

Dang! I think we just cross-threaded ourselves! :lol:

As soon as I get back from getting some beer (I've had an unforeseen delay in my departure for the week,) I'll see if I can straighten this out!

You guys are FUN!!! :lol:

Now.... I'm STILL waiting for the answer to THIS question on THIS thread! :lol:

I just don't understand what you mean by "gaining hours as they come OFF."

Can you explain, please? I think I've done my duty on the other question.

No. Use whatever comeback suits you. I frankly don't care. :roll:

Okay, hmmm..... I really didn't want to, I was having so much fun "debating" and learning from you. Maybe I can remember one of YOUR snappy comebacks! Hmmm.... nope, not working.

Oh wait...wait! Here's one of your favorites!

:roll:

We are just going in circles, and frankly, it's getting kind of boring.

That one always works well. :wink:

It was the lesser of two evils! I've been known to have a sharp tongue, and I had to bite it to keep from being too sarcastic! :lol:

I'm not trying to be your nemesis, Rev! I enjoy our debates. In fact, I have to fake it sometimes just to keep you on your toes. I'm not out to "pick apart" each of your posts. Usually you ARE "dead on accurate." But, occaissionally we disagree.... and, well.... you know how it goes! :lol:

Hey... at LEAST I speak English! :wink:

Yeah - we disagree when you are wrong. :lol:

And you write it too................ fairly well. :wink:

It's kind of ironic I know, but I saw a DOT inspection come across my desk that said: Falsified log: "Drivers name" logged off duty while in sleeper.
Now my statement to everyone was the fact it is "unbeliveable" that you would NOT get out of the sleeper for 34 hours. I would have to agree. Now is there drivers out there who have EVERYTHING on their trucks, yes and all I tell drivers is if you log 34 hours in the sleeper (heck 18 hours in the sleeper) you "MIGHT" be questioned and you better be ready to explain. When you say no I got out and ate dinner or I went to the casino. That he can write you up and fine you for falsifying your logs.

In the drivers write up, I will be getting with him to ask him how the officer knew he was logging as such. But it is a fact and I am here to tell you that DOT WILL question you if you are in the sleeper for so many hours. If you again choose not to listen that is fine, but be prepared and make up your lie really quick and hope he/she was not watching what you was doing :).

And no I will not submit a copy of this drivers write up! I could block out some information so hey maybe I will! :lol:

So which is it? "Might" they question you, or "WILL" they question you? Since I've had many log book inspections, and have NEVER been questioned about a 34 hour sleeper berth all on the same line. Others have said the same thing.

Absolutes don't work here, Dawn. All DOT does not act the same, and all DOT officers don't do things the same way.

Canada has a 36 hr reset! We also have 70 hours in 7 days cycle and 120 hours in 14 days cylce.

It must be noted on your log everyday, which cycle you are under, and 36 or 72 hours is required offduty, to switch cycles.
So if you run canada, but completed a 34 hr reset before entering canada, you might not be legal under canadian rules, you should have took a 36 hr reset before entering canada.
And we are allowed to drive 13 hrs per day, and must have 10 hours off per day.

I like your 10 hour breaks for the reason you can break up the 2 hour break in 4 increments of 30 minutes if you would like. I feel for you guys running in Cananda and US to know all those regulations, but I am sure once you get used to them it is great to have all those options.

I took 46 hours on line 3 one time, and then I had to eat my logbook.

Just sayin'.

I beg to differ. (And I noted the lack of the wink smilie.) If you'll start at the beginning and read the original question of the thread, and all posts that followed, (which you probably won't do,) you'll find that I contributed quite a bit to the thread, whereas YOU almost immediately and consistently spent your time attacking ME and then Dawn.

We're ALL aware of Dawn's deficiencies. And we're ALL aware of your animosity towards her. And we ALL are aware that you think that YOUR experiences are LAW and no one else is allowed to have suffered anything that YOU haven't experienced. But, there ONCE was a different reason for this forum.

As I've said before, I usually only engage when I see someone giving the wrong information. YOU have been guilty of that more than once. I'm sure that "I" have done so a time or two. But, I immediately corrected myself or accepted correction.

I'm not here to defend Dawn. But, as long as the bulk of YOUR posts have nothing to do with anything but putting her down, I don't think YOU'VE got the moral high ground on saying what does or does NOT add any VALUE to a thread.

If I understand it correctly, the bulk of YOUR advice on this thread is that one can log 34 hours in the sleeper if one wants to, and the DOT can't disprove it. Because it's never happened to YOU.

You have NOT proven that SOME of them won't question it. You even say that it should be logged in relation to what one does. So, how is THAT any differnent from what Dawn said? And aren't YOU also saying two different things?

The Noobie here doesn't CARE what you think of Dawn. Nor do they care if you want to hide away in a sleeper for 34 hours without "touching" the world. We're all probably SAFER if you DO!

But, I DO object to you "quoting" me by inserting your OWN commentary on what I said. Maybe, you don't understand what the word QUOTE means. You jumped me for changing the username of someone who has since been banned. I'd appreciate it if you'd apply the same "moral standards" to your quoting of me!

If you don't HAVE an answer to the questions I raise, or the comments I make, that's fine! We won't MISS your NON POST. But, if you continue to use the QUOTE function to make commentary on my posts, I think we will have a problem, even "IF" it's not a violation of the TOS.

Just sayin' :wink:

I was referring to your last post. :roll:

When were you elected to speak for the entire board? :roll:

Ummm......okay. Whatever you say.

Except when you defend her.

Yes, I do. And your prior post added nothing of value to the thread.

Then obviously you don't understand it correctly, as I never stated anything even remotely close to that. Perhaps a remedial reading course would help.

You know what? You're right. But I didn't set out to prove that. I did, however, prove that ALL of them would not question it, which is what Dawn's original (and then re-hashed) statement was.

Because Dawn says you should log it as you do it, except when you spend the entire 34 hours in the sleeper, to avoid the questions that DOT WILL ask you about it. Even when presented with several options that contradicted her statement (by different posters), she still stood her ground.

No, I'm not. You just aren't understanding.

Good for them.

What is bringing on this personal attack? You better have something to back up this statement.

This coming from someone who makes a habit of inserting their own comments into other people's quotes, because they don't want to take the time to properly quote someone. :roll:

Nope - not until you start quoting properly.

Who is this "we" that you refer to? Are you speaking for everyone again?

Wow - personal attacks and threats, all in the same thread.

Reading comprehension will help this.

Sarcasm is apparently lost on you as well.

No thanks.

At least we're on the same page. Finally.

Yes, I did. I certainly proved that not all DOT officers will question it.

:roll:

How did I misuse the quote function? Show me in the site rules where I misused it. :roll:

Perhaps I was doing the same thing. :wink:

No different than you claiming that a post on a message board has anything to do with "morals".

(EDITED) because it was too easy.

Actually, I implied that you needed remedial reading courses, not remedial education. Keep it straight.

Nope - it was just really difficult to respond. I had to enter (quote)(/quote) about 30 times just to reply to your drivel, not to mention the 12 previews just to make sure I had all the code correct. My time is precious :P , and I don't have all the time in the world :lol: to be fixing your responses. :wink:

Just like I missed the part in the TOS that told me how I had to formulate quotes.

Nope - nothing in the TOS about it.

Okay. :wink: :P :lol:

I don't know - maybe your tighty whities are a bit too tight today? :lol:

Is that a Books on Tape offering? I've read Dr. Zhivago... does that count?


Et Tu, aussie!


You're welcome, Rev! :wink:



Too bad I'm an atheist! :wink:






I'll be sure to tell the nice officer that he is a "nonconformist!" :D

NO one (but you,) took her that literally. :shock:


My words are my "intellectual property." Check the section on copyright infringement! :D


And "perhaps" if a frog had wings....


Umm.... can you show how ONE is not part of the OTHER? Cuz if you can't, then IMHO, it doesn't "apply" and therefore, I don't have to do it! :shock:


You're absolutely RIGHT, REV.... that MY WAY is much easier!!! I've been deleting (quote/quotes) for nearly an HOUR now!! :evil:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe so, REV!! ...... maybe so!!! :cry:

Ok I have copied every statement prior to being accused of stating something false again and making a statement Rev claims I made that I can find no where to the exact words?

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It should be logged as it happened. If you were in the sleeper berth, then it should be logged as sleeper berth. If you got out of the truck, then it should be off duty. The 34 hour reset can be any combination of the two, as long as it isn't broken up with any on duty time.


PAGE 3

Dawns Statement:
It should be logged as it happened. If you were in the sleeper berth, then it should be logged as sleeper berth. If you got out of the truck, then it should be off duty. The 34 hour reset can be any combination of the two, as long as it isn't broken up with any on duty time.

Again: You should not log 34 hours in the sleeper if you was not really in the sleeper for 34 hours.


DOT Q&A:

Question 26: May a driver record sleeper berth time as off-duty time on line one of the record of duty status?
Guidance: No. The driver's record of duty status must accurately reflect the driver's activities


Sounds pretty clear you should not be logging in the sleeper when you are really in the truck stop.

As we all know some officers will question you on something and some won't. Learn before you get the citation . Again not false information, it is facts!


Rev: You claim I made this statement would you or anyone else please find where I stated this exact comment?
Dawn wrote:
Keep in mind no one is going to believe you was in the sleeper 34 hours straight. DOT will question you on this

Maybe I overlooked it? I would like anyone’s information as to where I typed these exact statement.

Drivers I would take my advice and never log you are in the sleeper while you are really off duty (in truck stop). Let me add I would not do the opposite either. Log off duty while I am in the sleeper.

That statement you quoted does not even come close to what Rev "Claimed" I said.
Sorry there is a rule that states your log must accurately reflect the drivers activities.
395.2
Question 26: May a driver record sleeper berth time as off-duty time on line one of the record of duty status?
Guidance: No. The driver's record of duty status must accurately reflect the driver's activities

Make it simple on your pocket and log it as you do it.

I cannot disagree with this.


Page 2, about 3/4 of the way down. Your first appearance in this thread.

Dawn said:

Well... I see the Rev beat me to it. But, I was GONNA warn you, Dawn. Without even looking, my memory tells me that you DID say it!! :shock:

I can't defend you, or anyone else, from what you DID say. Maybe from what you MEANT by what you said.... but, when you say you looked through the thread and didn't SEE where you said it?..... I can't help you.

I WILL say that.... in THIS post, you ASKED for our help in finding your original statement, so MAYBE.... the wolves will be kind to you!

Good luck.

"I cannot disagree with this"

Rev, what on earth is wrong with U?! You feelin' ok? :P :lol: :lol:

I found where I stated that, but if you read the paragraph above the last statement it clearly states if you are in the sleeper then log it in the sleeper, if you are off duty then you log it off duty.

I also thought I would take the heat off you and Rev and give it back to me. I was getting a little jealous even though my name is brought up all the time. I have always heard when someone is always talking about that means they love you :lol:

Rev.Vassago wrote:
kjax wrote:
speaking of the reset, how is that logged, exactly? I've been having issues with the person checking our logs, about the way I've been doing that, specifically with hours worked in previous days. Does the FMCSA have an example? I couldn't find one.

Ok this is what I typed on page 2:
It should be logged as it happened. If you were in the sleeper berth, then it should be logged as sleeper berth. If you got out of the truck, then it should be off duty. The 34 hour reset can be any combination of the two, as long as it isn't broken up with any on duty time.

If you are referring to the recap (which I think you are), just zero it out after completing the 34 hour reset. That is the purpose of the reset - to zero out everything.

But, that being said, do it as your safety department tells you to do it.


Ok thanks I didn't read that when going back through.

Keep in mind no one is going to believe you was in the sleeper 34 hours straight. DOT will question you on this


Rev maybe you should understand what is being said in the paragraph and the last "statement" is a fact. I said if you are in the sleeper then log it in the sleeper. DOT will question you being in the sleeper for so many hours (I had drivers tell me they had 15 hours) without getting out. Is it possible to be in the sleeper that long, yeap if you are like me :lol: . But you better be ready to explain etc. 34 hours in the sleeper I better be sick or well set in that truck (which is possible as well).
So I know what I said is true and accurate. Unfortunately you read it incorrectly and unfortunately you are giving drivers the impression it does not matter if you log 34 hours in the sleeper. I hope they can afford the ticket that goes with that fine. I guess when/if they get fined they will find out the hard way.


Keep in mind no one is going to believe you was in the sleeper 34 hours straight. DOT will question you on this.

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Are you really that blind, Dawn? I already told you - PAGE 2, ABOUT 3/4 OF THE WAY DOWN. :roll:

Yes I agree with you! :lol: Write that in your on line journal :lol:

No, it's not. It is YOUR opinion.

No, they won't. I've logged 34 in the sleeper more times than I care to remember (because I rarely get out of my truck and go into truckstops), and have NEVER had DOT question me on it.

MIGHT they question a driver on it? Sure. But that doesn't mean the WILL do it.

No, that is what YOU are reading into it. I simply disagreed with your ABSOLUTE statement that DOT WILL question you on this.

Besides, even IF a driver gets out of the truck during a 34 hour reset, he only needs to log it on line 1 if it takes more than 15 minutes. Anything less than 15 minutes does not require a line change. I know I can go to the bathroom in less than 15 minutes. Heck - if I really have to go, I can do it in 5!

A false statement all the way through. You don't know what DOT will and will not believe, and you don't know what DOT will and will not question. :roll:

I don't have one. :roll:

This is actually an area where the regs contradict themselves. I can use a CMV for personal conveyance, and log the time as "Off Duty", yet the reg specifically says that ANY time spent at the controls of a CMV are considered "ON DUTY" time.

WOW!!! :shock: :shock: Talk about flogging a simple question into oblivion!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I read all of the posts, but got wore out about the time I got to the end of page 5... :shock: :?

One thing I had not noticed up to that point was anyone pointing out that the taking advantage of the 34 hour restart can be restricted if your employer denies you the permission to utilize it.

In other words: If your company puts it in writing that you do not have its permission to use that rule, you cannot do a 34 hour reset, and can only use the hours that you pick up each midnight.

I've never heard of any company restricting the use of the 34 hour reset. 8)

Thats because the standard book says that, but the book that contains the "guidance" makes the allowance for it....that is the ability to use the CMV, (tractor only) for a personal conveyance and logging off duty.

I'm aware of that, but that isn't the point. The regs specifically say that ALL time spent at the controls of a CMV are to be logged as ON DUTY, yet the time spent at the controls of a CMV for personal conveyance can be logged as OFF DUTY. They contradict each other.