Loading/Unloading (one more for the night)
 

Drivers: HELLO ALL DRIVERS!

YOu can not show loading/unloading as off duty!!!!!!!!!

You MUST LOG LINE 4 TIME. We all know you don't just go there and drop your trailer and now you are free to go. So therefore you must log it on line 4.

1. Time spent dealing with loading/unloading is on line 4! Paperwork, waiting, backing etc.
2. The time they will spend loading/unloading you see if you can go to your sleeper! If they don't mind then go to your sleeper and relax take a break! Read a book!

Being off duty at a shipper is definetly an eyebrow raiser!

Make sure you are there for the time you was at the customer and make sure you log line 4 time for dealing with it when you dealt with it!

DOT does not care what you get paid, we pay detention pay and the driver will log sleeper, pay means nothing, real life is what DOT wants!
So make sure you log it!

NO JOKING HERE! SPREAD THE WORD TO ALL YOUR TRUCKER FRIENDS AS THIS IS MY BIGGEST PROBLEM. Our drivers know, but it is the drivers out there today that might suffer the fine or other issues by not logging it! :roll:

So you are saying that if you are at the shipper for two hours you are going to log that on line 4. Well lets see you log 15 min for hitting the dock and going inside. The shipper or receiver says they will let you know when you are done so you go back to the truck. 2 hours later they come out give you paperwork. Log 15 min on line 4 to get papers pull away close doors and then your off. So in all at the shipper on line 4 you have 30 mins. you are saying that would be an eyebrow raiser for DOT?

Re: Loading/Unloading (one more for the night)
 

Yes you can - if you are not physically doing any of the loading or unloading, and are released from all duties. :roll:

Obviously you have never heard of drop and hook operations. :roll:

Unless it is time spent in a sleeper berth. :roll:

How about sleep, which is what a sleeper berth is for. :roll:

To who? :roll:

Let me make sure we are clear here! Only the time spent dealing with it is on line 4! If you spent 30 minutes inside, backing etc that would be line 4, if you can go in the sleeper then go in the sleeper and log it in the sleeper. IF the customer says you have to stand here and wait then you are on line 4 the whole time.


If you do NOT log line 4 time for loading/unloading that is an eyebrow raiser
If you log off duty that is definately an eyebrow raiser. At the customer that is.

When under a load you are always lines 2,3 or 4, except meal breaks or if the company relieves you of responsibilty for the equipment. Most company's give you a card allowing you to log meal, shower, laundry etc as off duty.

I am trying to help you log correctly but save your 70 hour as much as possible! So line 4 when you are dealing with it, if they don't want you around GO IN THE SLEEPER!!!!!!!!

So are we on the same page? :cry:

DUH.


To who? There is no FMCSA reg that states that you must log "on duty" for time when someone else is unloading your trailer, if you are released from duty. :roll:

Is there an echo in here?

You are truly clueless, aren't you?

Nobody asked.

Which is why you said:

:roll:

Nope - you are on a page all by yourself.

Umm I am on a CORRECT PAGE! Sorry but In the FEDERAL DOT book it states you must log (duty status) time loading, unloading, waiting to be loaded, fuel, etc. You might make sure you understand this because what I said is true! That is why I am posting it so drivers who do not understand/ or driver who are not doing it will start doing it.

Ask a DOT officer how should you log loading/unloading! He/she will just tell you line 4. I am taking the extra step to tell you to go in the sleeper while they are physically loading/unloading you. But it is common sense you are going to take @ least 15 minutes (more than likely longer) to deal with the loading/unloading issues) Take the tip if you want, if you don't that is fine with me! If you get fined one day and you feel nice enough to say "Dawn you was right" then please go for it and I will be glad to say I know you didn't believe me and I wish you would have to save the fine you have to pay! It's all fun and games until someone gets their eye poke out" RIGHT?
There is no where in the DOT book that tells you how long to log anything, it is all their common sense on we know it takes @ least this long and what proof do I have to show you it took this long? Them 2 criterias will get you caught! TRUST ME, I have been around and I have argued with 1 million drivers about this! And well they find out I am right! Sorry to be like that but you wanted me to prove myself I guess :D
I'm off to night night!

Time actually physically loading a trailer = ON DUTY
Time spent waiting in your sleeper while someone else loads your trailer = SLEEPER BERTH

DOT officers can, and are, quite often incorrect when it comes to the regs.

Please cite the reg for this.

That is not a DOT reg - I can easily go to a shipper, and within MINUTES be in a dock. Anything under 15 minutes should be FLAGGED. :roll:

ROFLMAO!! :lol: :lol:

I am trying to help you log correctly

So therefore you must log it on line 4.

Wrong-The only time you have to log On Duty Not driving is when you are Physically involved with the Unloading-and like said above if your involvement is less than 15 minutes just run a flag down when getting your BOL's Signed-whatever-Otherwise I ran Line 1.

If you are talking about not logging anything...such as getting paperwork, drop and hook, then yes that is an eyebrow raiser.

Actually is you want to get technical, time spent backing into a dock should be on line 3 not line 4 since you are driving the CMV.

The best advice when it comes to the rules, any of them, is to read them for yourself. If a driver has never really read 395 of the FMCSR then they are asking for trouble. You can easily go to the FMCSA web site and read any rule you need to.

Uturn: Backing up can be logged as line 4, because you are on private property. Which saves YOUR driving hours.

:D

I don't know what being on private property has to do with whether something must be logged or not. If you are driving or on the dock, it is either on-duty not driving, or driving. I don't recall reading anything about the private property issue in the regs. Perhaps you could cite the regulations on this for us.

Let's put a slight twist on the Sleeper/Off-Duty logging.

Ok - you pull into a shipper/receiver. You go to the office he tells you to pull into dock 3, shut the truck down, chock the wheels and come inside.

Log 15 mins On Duty Not Driving

The shipper/receiver requires that you sit in the drivers lounge while they unload you.

After a nice quick unload of 6 hours, they hand you your signed paperwork and that you can go.

Maybe log 15 mins On Duty Not Driving

Now - the question - do you log the 6hrs Off Duty or Sleeper Berth?

1 - You were not doing anything regarding the load, unless you consider flipping between Jerry Springer and whatever else crap is on tv while you sat there working

2 - You were not in the sleeper berth

So, you log it off duty

Is that a 'red flag' - NO

If being on private property is the rule then I sure wasted a lot of time driving on the Kansas turnpike. Because the Kansas turnpike is private property

Well there ya go-A Brand new Angle I've never heard before and I thought I knew them all :P
Get back to us and let us know how that works LOL

Wrong.......many drivers recieve their loads and go home and deliver in the morning. I don't have a card stating I can go home after I have loaded my truck.

From 395.2

I split my sleeper birth ALL the time. When I load a customer's house, I go into the sleeper an hour and a half into the load, and come out of the sleeper for the last hour.

It only takes me 15 minutes to fuel too 8)

Save up the hours, cuz a restart could be the worst thing under load.

Too lazy to check the regs, but I THINK they say, and I KNOW I was taught, that anything under 7.5 minutes can be flagged. OVER 7.5 mins, must be logged as a 15 min "interval."

Nope - anything under 15 minutes is flagged:

Golf: Wow someone who HONESTLY KNOWS THE FACTS!
That is all I am going to say! Rev is not worth my time. All he does is twist words around to read as he wanted them to read! And the other guy, gosh I can't even remember their names half the time. Maybe I am just dumb!

:lol:

Golf we are right!!!!!!!!! One day the one's who don't listen well they will find out the truth, and honestly I can say I hope it consist of a fine so they can really say wow, SHE was right!

The FACTS are sitting right in front of you, yet you don't see them:

Clasic
 

So you are saying that if you are at the shipper for two hours you are going to log that on line 4. Well lets see you log 15 min for hitting the dock and going inside. The shipper or receiver says they will let you know when you are done so you go back to the truck. 2 hours later they come out give you paperwork. Log 15 min on line 4 to get papers pull away close doors and then your off. So in all at the shipper on line 4 you have 30 mins. you are saying that would be an eyebrow raiser for DOT?

I am sorry I re-read this and I did not respond to it, I responded to Rev:

No what you said logging 30-minutes for the loading/unloading (if thats the time you ACTUALLY SPENT dealing with it) is fine, but logging OFF DUTY (LINE 1) @ a shipper/consignee is DEFINETLY an eyebrow raiser for most DOT officer. Logging in the sleeper while they load/unload you is ok (again as long as you are really in the sleeper).

DOT Just knows you are dealing with loading/unloading for @ least 15 minutes (most of the time longer, depends?) but they say (when they do a DOT audit inside the company) he/she should have @ least 15 minutes. Some officers will say more than 15 minutes.

All I can say is trust me on the above & original post. You might get by with not logging loading/unloading on line 4 every now and then, and well if you act like you had no clue, maybe you will get a warning (again though your name is now in the DOT profile for your company, so you are a prime candidate of being DOT audited if they audit the company within the 6 months). But I am sharing to hopefully prevent anyone from finding out the hard way!
Many companies just don't look @ this information on their drivers. Trust me when DOT comes into the office They look at all that AND MORE!

Again I did not mean to ignore you, and I hope you will "TALK" with me about it, if you don't understand what I am saying. I would be happy to discuss it IN A NICE WAY!
HAVE A GREAT NITE

Re: Clasic
 

Nope - you have it all wrong.

- Hitting the dock - driving time.
- Going inside - ON DUTY (not driving). If it is less than 15 minutes, it can be flagged (per the DOT regulations)
- Waiting while someone else loads a trailer, and you are not responsible for counting or supervising - OFF DUTY or SLEEPER BERTH
- Receiving paperwork - ON DUTY (not driving). If it is less than 15 minutes, it can be flagged (per the DOT regulations)

"Eyebrow raiser" or not, it is not a violation of the FMCSA regulations.

The FMCSA regulations say otherwise. I don't care what the DOT officer says. They can (and many times ARE) wrong.

DOT does not audit specific drivers - they audit MOTOR CARRIERS.

I always raised the DOT's eyebrows but then I changed their direction and got them laughing and I was usually home free :P

Interpretation for Part 395: Hours of Service of Drivers

Question 9: A driver drives on streets and highways during the week and jockeys CMVs in the yard (private property) on weekends. How is the yard time to be recorded?

Guidance: On-duty (driving).

Straight from the FMCSA website. Under your logic any time you leave a public road into ANY parking lot would be line 4? :roll:

I already posted this one. But you have to realize, you are wrong, because you are "copying and pasting" from the "stupid" DOT regs. "Trust" her. :wink:

The point is you girls are just trying to be difficult and to technical! I am trying to help a driver out and tell them how they can log legal! You can do what I said and I GUARANTEE YOU that DOT will not bother you, but if you log off duty at a shipper/consignee he will ask you more questions!
Hello did I not state that?

Rev & umm can't remember your name: tee hee! Get over trying to be perfect, I know what I am saying and I am sure others do to, it just only seems to be a number of 2 that have to make stupid comments and anyone else who has comments sorry, but I am just trying to help out, these 2 have drug out simple information into this big World war 2!
geeeeessssssssss how many miles are you getting by typing? I guess yo type as you drive. Maybe you will be in an accident and since it is not in the Federal DOT book that typing while driving is not a cause of an accident and you will escape free. Common sense it would be your "FAULT". So go drive your truck. I hope you are not on your 10 hour break, cause you are not following dot regs! :lol:

I am trying to help a driver out and tell them how they can log legal! Y

I don't recall ANYBODY asking for your help and button the Lip with the name calling.

Difficult and technical. Two things that are smart to be when dealing with DOT regulations.

But you are not "legal" when you state INCORRECT information.

And I will continue to do so as long as you keep posting incorrect information.

No, I don't. And that is something you will never understand, because you are obviously from the "run hard, not smart" mindset.

Since I am parked right now, I doubt there is any chance of me getting into an accident.

Make me.

Please - I would LOVE to know how I am not following DOT regulations right now. :roll:

This person is a Poser

goodluck
 

goodluck

Re: hey dawn
 

im confused :roll:

she's not a driver

It's a SHIM...part she part him. :lol:

that was my guess also after "She" morphed the other night and said a few phrases.

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OK, I don't get it. I log as little time as possible for everything I do. I rarely log(only flag) drop, then a little later hook. Same for being unloaded. Why would you log 1 minute more than you need to? My logs are up to date unless I know I need to back them up and I'm not going by any scales. Or at least ones that don't use Prepass. I have never been cited for log violations(knock on wood). Sometimes I log taking a break in a town that doesn't exist. I am certainly not going to run out of hours when I'm away from the house. I mean why would you be out here if you had to sit? I would never commit to a load if I knew i was going to be too tired to take it regardless of my hours, my company or the DOT. I have been driving 19 years and been with my current employer for 17+ years. I'm not promoting lawbreaking per se, but if you are courteous to people, people tend to be courteous in return. Do what you have to do, just do it in a safe, sane manner...........justbob