BIL ask husband for his pee for his random
 

My Bil who is a truck driver just called my husband to ask him to pee in a cup for him because he isn't sure if he can pass the random. Of course, Jeff told him no. It wasn't his problem as he doesn't touch the stuff.

He is planning on getting someone else to do it and have the pee with him when he has to take it on Friday. We tried to warn him that it probably wasn't going to work. He already has a failed drug test on his DAC.

Just wondering, what kind of trouble can he get into with doing this and what about the person who gives the sample, which will NOT be my husband?

This guy really needs to be removed from the industry.

They prolly would never catch the "donor", but IF they did, I'm sure he/she would be fired and I'd also bet that there is criminal charges that could be brought up on both parties.

Yeah, BIL is a winner. Last year he fought a DUI charge down to reckless driving. Some people never learn or grow up.

Re: BIL ask husband for his pee for his random
 

First of all is a Federal Regulation.
Second of all I don't think this idiot could pull it off-Urine HAS to be a Certain Temperature and is recorded on the Bottle before it's shipped(if they don't test it where he's "Giving" it.
THe temperature has to between such and such a Temperature or they'll ask him to "Repeat"
Hooray for your Husband and his Morals.
IF he has a Failed Drug test on his DAC what respectable company would even hire him AND if he's asking your Husband to do this for him he's STILL on drugs. IF this Idiot got in an Accident and they took a Drug test on him the Authorities aren't stupid and they can find out How in the world he passed his piss test previously.
Sorry-Rant over
Bottom line-if your husband did this for him he could be in for a world of hurt.

Bil works for a small tanker company in PA. He said that the boss knows about his past record. I was just curious as to what would happen to the person because he was going to ask my nephew to give a sample. I thought it was a federal issue. My husband tried to tell him about the tempature but he thought it would stay warm enough against his body in a cup. :roll:

whisper his name to me-I'll report his ass
I'd Advise telling your nephew not to do it or it could be his ass.

Well my nephew is a minor so I don't know what would happen there. I am not going to report him because he is probably going to hang himself.

Yeah or Kill somebody cuz this loser might actually find a fly by Night company that might hire him.

You would think that this guy would have learned something the first time he failed a drug screen. He was given another chance and is apparently unappreciative of the opportunity. This guy doesn't need to be driving a bicycle, much less an 18 wheeler. :evil: He will likely be involved in an accident, at some point. When he is it will be yet another black eye for the entire industry.....not to mention that someones life could be ended or changed forever because of this drug addict. Without this type of individual, none of us would need to concern ourselves about random drug tests. By the way, sometimes there is an individual who will actually stand by your side and witness your giving a sample. It is a dumb move to try and beat this system with potentially deadly consequences. :x

Confused
 

Does your BIL's spouse know what he's doing? I think the best worst thing that could happen to him would be to lose his job. The best best thing that could happen would be to lose his CDL. BOL

BIL doesn't have a spouse. He is my husbands brother. That I know of he doesn't do weed or alcohol while driving just when he gets home on the weekends. If I knew of him doing it while driving I would report him.

He has worked for this company for over 2 years. In trucking for about 7 years, no accidents.

Compassion
 

Ma'am, you have too much compassion for your BIL and none for the motoring public.
If you know he'd test positive for THC on any Monday when he goes to work, you need to drop a dime to his employer or anonymously to the local gendarmes.
If a victim of his misbehavior, in the event of an accident he causes or is part of, finds out that you knew of his illegal actions, who do you think could also be held LIABLE? BOL

It only takes ONE....

You might want to think about the person or family that he might kill. If he does end up killing someone and the authorities find out that you knew he was doing drugs and or alcohol while driving you might have the law breathing down your neck. You never know what the family of the victim's will do in a civil case. Just an idea, I am not trying to piss you off or come off as a conspiracy theorist, just a thought.
Not to mention how would feel if someone in your family was killed by a drunk or high on drugs driver and you found out someone knew he was like that and might have been able to prevent it.

Just something to think about..... on a lighter note... maybe the moron will get a female to give him a urine sample and it will come back Pregnant. :)

Like I said, I have never seen him high or drunk when he was working. If I had I would of called someone. Noone has make me mad. I know what he is doing is wrong but it causes other family problems if he has no job. If he gets busted for either drugs or falsifing the drug test I am all for him spending a little time in jail.

He went to my husband because he doesn't drink, smoke or do drugs. He lives a clean life and wants to stay that way.

It is so sad that you and your husband feel such a loyalty to this loser. If more families turned in their worthless kin the crime rates in the country would plummet. It's hard to imagine what it would be like living with the guilt of knowing that I could have prevented a tragedy and loss of an innocent persons life if I had not kept my mouth shut because they're "family".

When you have a family member that has an addiction they aren't going to get help until they are ready. He has had DUI's, lost everything, lives with my SIL (which is why I don't turn him in then she has to support his butt), but still hasn't grown up. I don't really want to be involved. His boss knows who he hired and still decided to hire him. I don't know exactly when he does the things he does so I can't report him if I don't know for sure that he is high while driving.

It isn't that we are loyal to him but we don't know the facts to turn him in because we don't associate with him much.

must be a shady and fly by night outfit if they're even THINKING of hiring him with the DWI's not even mentioning that he wants somebody to take the Piss test for him.

H E L L O

They are not thinking of hiring him, they already have! He has worked there for over 2 years now, well when he wants to work. This drug test is a random.

now this story is starting to smell Fishy
Let me say it a bit more Strongly-Quite a few of us haven't just fallen off the Turnip wagon and your story is BS-Oh Moderators :P

Why is it BS? I am telling the truth. If you go back and read my post you will see that I said it was a random test from the company he already works for. It is a very small company with a handfull of drivers. He has been working for them for almost 3 years. (He even quit a couple of times because he got a DUI and he went on a drinking/drug spree where noone knew where he was for a couple of days. and they still hired him back :roll: .)

He had the dirty test (may have refused it, I can't remember because it was a few years ago but he was fired.) with ECM trucking in PA and before that worked for Trans Am.

I will wait to see what happens with this drug test.

Yoopr, if I see him high when he drives you can be sure I will find a way to report him. I can't really report him if I don't know when he is doing it. Officer, I think my BIL may have smoked a joint in the last month...I don't think that would be damning evidence but we are new to the industry so maybe my word would be enough, I don't know.

reason I said that is when you're called in for a Random drug test they don't give you DAYS or Weeks of an Advanced Warning.

I don't know. He called on Tuesday and said he had to take the test by Friday. I thought you just had 24 hours or something like that but that is what he told my husband. Maybe the company alerted him because they figured he would fail, I don't know.

I have a friend who is a car hauler; he drives for a decent company, and he's good at what he does, but they are an outlaw operation. He also gets advanced notice of upcomming "random" tests!!

You just proved my point whether you know it or not :D
Anyway if the guy takes the test and if he's using drugs he'll fail because a few days of not using drugs won't matter a bit.
Wish you'd tell the rest of us who this guy is driving for so we can get the hell out of his way.

The company is called CAB. It is a tanker. He runs to Jersey, Detroit and in PA.

I honestly don't know if or how much trouble your husband might be able to get into for donating a sample. I also do not know that your BIL would go to jail for faking a sample. It also sounds like the company might keep him on even if he comes up dirty. Scarry thought...

Might serve him right if you could come up with a "dirty" sample........

Again, My husband isn't giving the sample but he was asked. He said he would find someone else to give it and mentioned my minor nephew. I am hoping the temp isn't right and they make him retake it.

Just out of curiousity...

Have you ever told him he's TOO STUPID TO BE A BANK ROBBER??????

Actually, he used to be really smart. I guess all the drugs killed his brain cells.

Well if your BIL has had days to take this "random" test then it really is not a random at all. Driver's are suppose to take a random immediately upon being notified.

Maybe you should call your state commercial vehicle enforcement office and tell them about how your BIL has had days and days to comply with a random drug test and let them know what company he is working for.

Just an update...BIL got his girlfriend to pee in the cup for him and since he is still driving I guess they got away with it.

that's nice-what a scum bag loser

As a matter of curiousity..... DID THEY TELL HIM HE WAS PREGNANT???? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

If you know where he took his UA, suggest to them that they make everyone EMPTY THEIR POCKETS AND TURN THEM INSIDE OUT in order to take the test. (Might have to "frisk" him too)

I'm surprised he got away with it. I have a friend who does it and most of
the time they require he actually watch the person pee. If not, he takes a
temp reading immediately to make sure it's above 90 degrees.

BIL
 

If you know the company that did the collection/testing, why don't you anonymously call 'em and ask if they ran a pregnancy test on the sample? If they get curious, which I'm guessing they will, tell 'em the sample was from a female. BOL

and what's worse are the Other people who know what's happening and allow this scum bag to drive. Just as bad as him.