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tracer 01-30-2011 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Steel Horse Cowboy (Post 492980)
For that load Tracer, you would need a 3-axle tractor as your truck would be over the weight rating for the front axle off the bat and I would imagine a 50T LOW or DD.

If your IH is like mine was, it was almost pushing 12,000lbs on the front axle bobtail with that C-15

You're right. Even when I'm empty - just pulling my 10,100 lb step - I normall have 11,700 lbs on the front axle. That C-15 is quite heavy.

So, then this is not the kind of a load I want to do because I don't want to change trucks. It's too heavy for a regular tandem truck :(

Heavy Duty 01-30-2011 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Steel Horse Cowboy (Post 492980)
For that load Tracer, you would need a 3-axle tractor as your truck would be over the weight rating for the front axle off the bat and I would imagine a 50T LOW or DD.

If your IH is like mine was, it was almost pushing 12,000lbs on the front axle bobtail with that C-15

You need a 4 axle tractor and a 3 axle trailer rated for 40tons

rank 01-30-2011 03:49 PM

11' wide and 79,000lbs? The aluminum knee braces on that Wilson of yours would likely fold like lawn chairs :)

bikerboy 01-30-2011 04:03 PM

here is a 53 foot tridem cattle trailer, with axles almost at the back, if they can run a cattle trailer like that, why not a RGN lowboy as well? i am sure cattle trucks don't run any special permits, but maybe this trailer can only be used in canada???

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Heavy Duty 01-30-2011 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by bikerboy (Post 492986)
here is a 53 foot tridem cattle trailer, with axles almost at the back, if they can run a cattle trailer like that, why not a RGN lowboy as well? i am sure cattle trucks don't run any special permits, but maybe this trailer can only be used in canada???

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tracer 01-30-2011 04:28 PM

yeah, that's just too heavy... i sent an email to a trailer repair company just to ask how much it'd be to turn my 48 with a 61" spread into a 53 with a 121" tandem. i should probably stick to trailers with tandem axles.

Heavy Duty 01-31-2011 05:55 AM

You see a lot of DD stuff that might fit on a step, but some is not safe and the customer expects you to load and unload without a dock. Many military loads require a RGN because of where you load or unload.
if you want to try DD loads, try renting a trailer or buy a 35 ton RGN, the industry standard so you can sell if you need to. You can always purchase flip later.

allan5oh 01-31-2011 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by tracer (Post 492912)
it was a Case (I think), 34,000 lbs, 10'6" tall. It was a bit too massive and too tall for my stepdeck. A basic RGN with 2 axles would be ideal for that load.

That load is exactly the reason I told you to go with 17.5's. If you had bought a trailer with 22.5's you would've had to permit, and added many miles. Basically that would've put the load out of your reach, because it probably didn't pay enough for all that. You dipped into RGN freight with your step deck.

Double drops are exactly that, include RGN's and the like. Two drops. There are double drops with solid necks and removable necks, hence RGN's.

Have you ever seen big equipment unload at a dealer? They don't detach. They drive it off the rear of the double drop onto a dock.

allan5oh 01-31-2011 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by tracer (Post 492979)

Weight: 79,000 lbs (!)
Length: 36.4'
Width: 11.2'
Height: 10'6"
Looking at dimensions, this could be done with my step... But my trailer wheels would probably fall off if I put 79K on the deck! How many axles do you need to haul this? The load description just requested a 'DD' trailer without specifying axle amounts. Could it be done with a regular truck (12k + 40k axles)?]

Theoretically a 3 axle step deck with a regular truck could do this. You can permit up to 20k per axle, and even if you stick to 12k on the steers it could still be done. However I really doubt you could get a 6 axle truck/trailer under 32k, and have exactly 20,000 lbs on 5 axles and 12,000 on the steer. Height wouldn't be a problem if you had 17.5" tires.

I think the other guys are right, you'd need 4 axles on the truck. Or a 4 axle RGN. It would take way too much pissing around to get the weights just right, and you're never "exactly" 20k on all axles on a trailer anyways. It just isn't possible.

tracer 01-31-2011 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by allan5oh (Post 493026)
Theoretically a 3 axle step deck with a regular truck could do this.

I'd probably have to change the axle ratio on my truck again. No way you can pull that much weight with 3.42s. No, this is too heavy. I like those front-end loaders. The one that was 10'7" tall out of Iowa paid 3 bucks per mile. It was a bit hard to load/unload because the ramps were 40" tall, and the end of my trailer is 36" but you're right: had my wheels been bigger, I'd have to skip on this load.


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