Owner Operator Contract or Agreement
 

Hello,

I am a new trucking company looking to lease on Owner Operators. I am determined to be one of the better ones in the industry. I am having a hard time finding a sample agreement of which I can modify to fit our needs, I really do not want to hire a lawyer to do this when I can find an agreement from Landstar or a larger company that can be modified to suit our needs. If anybody has one could you please email me a copy, I would be very appreciative.

If anyone has leased on drivers and knows of a link to purchase these agreement templates I would appreciate that as well.

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I think you would be better off getting a Lawyer. If you cant afford a lawyer, how you going to pay your drivers? Just my .02

In Response
 

I can afford a lawyer, I said I would rather not use one when I can find an agreement that has already been written by a company like Landstar. Do you think there agreements are wrong? I think they got all the bases covered.

So you think your operation is going to mirror someone like landstars? Your lease agreement should be structured for your own operation. There are federal regs that need to be complied with(usually called *truth in leaseing") Plagiarism won't get you very far if there is a problem.

try this

OOIDA is a good resource. Google "sample owner operator agreement" -- lots of hits.

AC120 is correct. OOIDA does have a sample lease. If you are a member they may make a copy available to you that you could modify for your specific needs. There are certain elements that you must include in any lease agreement. The federal website should have those things which must be included. If you want to see a copy of Landstar's agreement you might just call them up and ask to see one. In fact, OOIDA may have a copy of Landstar's lease agreement since they were in a lawsuit against them at one time about the contract.

Also the FMCSR's have certain requirements of any contract, and I wouldn't be surprised if a few big name carriers didn't fully comply with the FMCSR's:

All Regulations - Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

AND BURN.................

If any said company finds out you took their lease, such as Landstar, expect to pay millions in court costs because they are not going to like that, especially Landstar. I worked for them for 4 years and to be honest, they were prob the most pain in the ***** company I ever ran for. On-top of them taking all kinds of fee's and other things, they have a giant legal department. When I left them, I had just made my last payment on my 50T lowboy and they tried to take it back. After 3 years, and $12,000 in legal fee's I got to keep the trailer (thank god the judge also made them pay for my fee's) Dont mess around

Like everyone else has said, call OOIDA. Honestly you should already be a member owning your own company.

I read OOIDA's sample lease and placed it in the circular file. The lease is written 100% to protect the o/o you are trying to lease on and it does absolutely nothing to protect YOU as the carrier except ensure compliance with the federal regs. In fact, it was the turning point in our relationship when I’d realized I’d outgrown them in many respects. I still maintain a membership, but really don’t know why, since they do pretty much nothing for the small carrier.

I know you just got started 8 weeks ago and might be a little thin on spare cash, but you really need to consult an attorney. Not only does the lease need to be tailored to YOUR operation, but you must also ensure it complies with the state of Illinois’ contract law, which varies from other jurisdictions. Landstar’s lease would be not only tailored to their operation, but also to their own state, which would most assuredly have some differences in its contract law from Illinois. You screw up in your contract and lease on a bad apple, you could end up in a world of financial and maybe even legal hurt. Don’t be cheap and lazy and take unnecessary chances with your business. Just because you are incorporated doesn’t mean that you can personally be sued. More and more judges are allowing “the corporate veil” to be pierced in litigation.

You must comply with 49 CFR 376,every thing else must comply with your states contract law,unless it contradicts 376.

I would advise against using any companies lease as your own. It might be good to read over other carriers leases, but it may save you some grief if you designed your own agreement. It should not cost too much for an attorney to either check over a lease that you write yourself or one that he writes for you. I would think that any good lawyer would have a cookie cutter contract for motor carriers that he could modify or customize for your operation.

I have to say there is something I find strange that a co, who is up & running already with a real nice websight boasting all types of great freight service would already have a lease contract ready to go, & already have a co, attorney. info taken form turbo transit websight below. I dont understand how you CANNOT have averything you could possibly need, by your services being offered already. maybe I am missing something.

Why Turbo Transit?Financial StabilityTurbo Transportation Group is one of the most financially stable asset-based carriers in the U.S.A. We provide immediate compensation for our carriers, which ensures carrier loyalty and the best rates available. Turbo Transportation Group provides the tools and quality necessary to establish a long-term partnership with your company.Wholesale Shipping SolutionsTurbo Transportation Group allows your company to take advantage of our discounts to ship your freight. Turbo Transportation Group will help your company qualify your shipments for large discounts, usually only afforded to corporate customers. We combine your LTL shipments with other customers to increase volume and pass the savings on to you!Customer ServicesWe can meet all of your logistics needs, including:
Pallet Exchanges
Residential Services
Climate Controlled
Automobile Transport
Hazardous MaterialsTime TestedTurbo Transportation Group uses a combination of our own trucks, and a network of over 10,000 motor carriers that provide reliability and on-time delivery. We can move your freight anywhere in the continental U.S. at any time. We are a full service logistics provider with complete cargo protection. All shipments arranged by our company come with complete insurance during the linehaul.

I will say I'll give you an A on the web design. it looks real nice.

I know this is an old post, but I usually stay out for a month at a time and don’t do much posting when I’m away from home and I just can’t let this one lie.
“Posers” really get under my skin. When I first looked up this idiot’s SAFERS profile and saw a DOT number in the two millions and a MCS-150 date of June 2010, one truck and no inspections it was obvious that this was a guy (or gal) who had just been granted authority and had no clue what to do next. I can live with that… we all have to start somewhere. After two years of running under my authority I only have one truck, so who am I to talk? Then I see this website where this jackass is pretending to be something he or she is not and it makes me want to go kick some azz. These are exactly the sort of people who give trucking a bad name. They have no clue what they are doing and yet promise the world to anybody who will listen. When they can’t deliver (no pun intended) it looks bad on all of us. Do you know why this person wanted a contract to copy? Because it is probably all he has ever known how to do… imitate others. Hopefully the OP changes his user name to “Walter Mitty”, which would at least be more appropriate.

Poser, LMAO Music Man I believe Thats You!
 

First of all Music MAn, I am not a poser. I have been running freight brokerages and trucking ompanies for over 10 years. I just decided to start my own freight brokerage 18 months ago and my own trucking company 6 months ago. This is the time to really make money in this industry with the changes coming in November.

Now as far as the contracts and agreements, I have had all of them designed by one of the top transportation lawyers in the country. I am pleased to say I know longer need the advise. Now as far as the p]trivial attempt at a personal attack by you Music Man. I am doing just fine. I am not worried about CSA 2010 or inspections as I work 20 hours a day on this **** and I am on top of the game. I am buying (4) more trucks in the next 3 months and (3) Double Drops. My trucks are averaging $6800 per week in gross and the long term will be better than that once I have the new APU's installed.

Now I am not going to criticize the way you do your business and honestly man You could never touch mine. I know this industry very well. The peaks and valleys always come and I can sell freight like no other. If you want to try an dmatch wits you should do it with the "Guesser" at the carnival you would fair much better.

Thank You, I have a great web team that I use out of Florida. They are affordable and help me achieve top notch SEO

Thanks for the compliment in the design. I have a great web team who does it quite effectively and economically.

Show me where in ANY post since I joined this board in 2005 where I have ever, one time, pretended to be something that I am not or more than I am. I have one truck that I and my wife run under our own authority. I have no website where I portray myself to be some big player in the transportation industry. You didn’t do that here with your post because you probably knew you’d be called out for what you are in two seconds.

You filed your MCS-150 in June of this year… that’s not six months by any math you want to use. If you have so much experience in the trucking and brokerage fields, why were you seeking to copy somebody else’s lease agreements? That is just plain stupid, irrespective what industry it would pertain to. As previously stated by myself and others on here, not only would that be theft of intellectual property, but it would also most likely not offer you the legal protection you were seeking.

Look Scott, or William or Robert K. Bruning, or whoever you are, you live in whatever fantasy world you want, but I’m not buying it or supporting it. I have no hard proof that you are a complete fraud, but so many things just don’t add up. You have all kinds of trucks, but three months ago, when you filed the paperwork to start your trucking company you had one, according to your MCS-150. Then you have all this vast knowledge of both the brokerage and carrier sides of our industry but yet you are so stupid and ignorant that you want / need to copy another carrier’s lease. Then, your website portrays you to be a vast logistics mogul… to quote your home page:

“Turbo Transportation Group is one of the most financially stable asset-based carriers in the U.S.A. We provide immediate compensation for our carriers, which ensures carrier loyalty and the best rates available.”

One of the most financially stable asset based carriers in the USA, huh? Really? I’m calling BULL***** on that. Then you say you pay your carriers immediately, but yet in your carrier contract you say it’s thirty days. Which is it? Which one of those statements is a lie? Oh wait, you offer “Quick Pay” which in your world means 48 hours after POD is received, then by a check in the mail, then for a FIVE PERCENT fee. Boy, that must be how you build those solid relationships with all those carriers you boast about working with on your website.

One of the many questions I have about your contracts is if your Carrier / Broker Agreement was written long before your post here in July (as indicated on page three where the date line has “200__” typed, indicating it was written in 2009 or earlier) , why wouldn’t you have the same person write your Carrier / Owner Operator Agreement? I mean, surely one of the most stable asset based carriers in the United States would have an attorney or ten on staff, right? If not, you’d have one on retainer you could consult with. Not YOU though, you were portraying yourself to be some bigshot on your webpage and yet you were skulking around on CAD looking for some charity. It is completely inconsistent behavior.

Also, according to checkfreightbroker.com, when I searched your MC# (MC #683731) you have 1 paid transaction on file in the last 12 months, 0 in the last 6 months, 0 in the last 3 months and it took you 55 days to pay.

There are so many holes in your fantasy about who and what you are that it looks like Lorraine Cheese, my friend. Why not just be honest about who you are on your website and on CAD? I’m sure you WANT to be more than you are, but why lie about it?

Remind me never to get on the wrong side of musicman ;)

Look, people like this poser are a rotting cancerous tumor in our industry. Trucking has enough problems without wannabe’s and pretenders jumping in and screwing it up more than it is. People like the OP must be shown for who and what they are as quickly as possible. They are like noxious weeds… once they get rooted… forget it… the damage is done.

Those who have been around CAD for a while know that I generally don’t post much and when I do, I usually try to keep the peace with those I have a difference of opinion with; but people like this guy really tick me off. Does he have some brokering experience? Sure… he worked for another broker some time ago as evidenced by his response to a Ripoff Report for BackHauLine Inc where he says he’s the operations manager. The link is below:
Backhauline,Inc Philip Nenadov, backhauline.com Truck Broker Con Artist Review | Rip-off Report #331820

Here’s his website where he says he’s “one of the most financially stable asset-based carrier in the U.S.A.”
Turbo Transit - Freight Brokers, Freight Quotes, LTL Quotes,Heavy Haul Shipping, Refrigerated Shipping, Flatbed Shipping

Here’s a link to his “Broker Training” website where one of the three testimonials listed (complete with photos) is probably from his son or other close relative (same last name: Woods)
Freight Broker Agent Training | Online Freight Broker Training | Truck Dispatcher Training | Freight Broker Shipper Databases | Freight Broker Websites | Freight Broker Training Manuals

Here a link to his SAFERS carrier profile:
SAFER Web - Company Snapshot TURBO TRANSIT INC TRANSIT INC

It’s just not right for jackasses like this to try to fool shippers, carriers or even drivers into thinking that they're more experienced or capable than they really are when most of the people on here, especially the owner operators are HONEST hard working guys and gals who are doing things the right way.

Oh don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you, I just found it funny that he would even try that on a board like this.

Okay, one last thing...
 

Actually, now that I look at it, I wouldn’t doubt that Backhauline and this Turbo Transit are the same people operating under a different name… that or Mr Turbo Transit (William Scott Woods) is copying his former employer word for word. Check out the promo for Backhaulline at the following link:
Backhauline

Check the excerpt from that promo for Backhauline:
“BackHauLine Inc. is the premier LTL Freight Shipper in the USA. When you utilize BackHauLine Inc. Your company can take advantage of our shipping discounts to ship your freight. BackHauLine Inc., allows your company to qualify your shipments for large discounts usually only afforded to the corporate customer. We combine your shipments with other customers to increase volume and pass the savings on to you the customer.”

Sound familiar? It’s the same BS that’s on Turbo Transit’s website… almost word for word. Same “best in the USA” bull, same BS about shipping discounts, same BS about rates usually only afforded to “corporate customers”. What a massive bunch of stinking BS.

Oh, by the way, Backhaulline’s URL just takes you to a GoDaddy promo page… www.backhauline.com

It’s also interesting that both Turbo Transit (William Scott Woods) and his former employer Philip J. Nenadov (formerly of Backhauline, Inc., now managing member of Transportation Network Group LLC - Dispatcher training  |  CoverLoads.com ) have gone into the on-line broker training and (in his former employer’s case) freight forwarding training business. Again, either the same folks involved with both of these companies or Woods is copycatting everything his former boss does. Neither case would surprise me, and the latter option would explain why Mr. Woods was looking to steal somebody’s carrier / owner operator lease agreement… perhaps it really IS standard procedure for him.

Okay, I'm done because my behavior is bordering on juvenile now (but it IS fun)… that is unless Mr. Woods would like to come back and offer any more morsels for us, that is. I guess he doesn’t realize how easy everything is on the web to find if you know where to look.

I almost feel guilty for my little tirade... a l m o s t. Had heavyhaulerss not brought up the web page (which I didn’t even bother to look at after the OP) I'd not have looked into it any further. So we will have to blame heavyhaulerss for stirring me up. See… I knew I couldn’t be responsible for my childish behavior! ;-)

Okay, I thought I was done, but just one last thing. Mr. Woods isn’t completely a fraud. According to Ansonia Credit, his risk factor is an 82, runs a general credit balance of $32k a month and takes, over a 13 month average, 38 days to pay (DTP). Last month, he took an average 75 DTP between the two carriers who reported to Ansonia. Among the 21 factor companies who reported to Ansonia over the last 13 months, he paid about 65% of his bills within 30 days, ¼ in 30-61 days, and less than 10% in 61 – 90 days. I’d probably not use his company because I don’t like to see a broker paying carriers in 75 days. It does seem that he pays the factors in a relatively timely manner, though… I guess because he figures they would report to credit companies like Ansonia, and assumes (wrongly so, in my case) that little one truck carriers do not report, so he figures he can make them wait longer for their money. In any rate, one thing that is for sure is that he doesn’t live up to paying his carriers immediately as his website claims. I can e-mail the full credit report if anyone is interested.

As a special note for MR. Woods, who claimed that I was the “poser” and not him… I haven’t paid a personal or business debt a single day late in over five years, which a heck of a lot more than I can say for him and his little brokerage business.

Okay, I'm pretty sure I'm done this time.

OK MusicMan Chime In
 

Well MusicMan. this is Scott. I actually have just been checking a lot of old email and found out your sounding off. First off I should have known we would not see eye to eye because your from Marion and I am from West Frankfort. You probably hang out and troll around the old Refuge Truckstop if it is still there. I would not know as I do not hang out in Franklin or Williamson counties any more. I will leave that to my redneck family members.

Now as far as your responses and feeble attempts at flaunting your non existent thought process as you have clearly showed there MAGNUM PI with your flawed investigative skills. I will address the Backhauline Inc. Issue. I was recruited by Phil in 2003 to sell freight in his freight brokerage in Kewanee,IL. I am the one who created, maintained and hosted the company website as I did my own. I hold all the copyrights and yes they are actually registered.

I ended up running the brokerage because I am very good at finding and selling freight that is profitable. Unfortunately I could not sell enough freight to keep it going, even though I was writing around $300K a month in gross myself with an average profit margin of 29% to keep up with his bookkeeper who stole almost 500k from him. His brokerage closed and I started mine. I did not want too start a brokerage. I made more as an agent. I averaged $5000-$7000 weekly my way. I know live on $800 a week. 10 people were out of work and someone had to do something to save some jobs. I know how to run a freight brokerage so what the hell.

I am also the one who created 90% of Phil's materials for his Cover Loads training guide. I have no part of it and I am not in business with Philip Nenadov. I merely did it as a favor to Phil. I really do not know anything about it other than that as I have not spoke to him in about a year.

Now as far as my website and company. I own the copyrights to that as well,I designed it, wrote the code for skin and handled the wordpress installation etc. You know you must really have the smallest shlong in the world to get this riled up over me simply asking for a sample copy of a lease. I like to do my research before I jump in, so who better to ask then other drivers. I figured I would get some decent input. I mean seriously I was taught how to move Heavy Haul from the drivers who pulled my loads. Unlike a lot of brokers, I actually know how to move it correctly and profitably for both me an the carrier.

I have never stepped foot in a truck other than to check out my Peterbilt when I bought it. I however paid attention to my drivers and ask them a lot of questions. Eight years later I am still learning. I however am thankful to the ones who taught me. I still take care of them on freight. I dispatch for one for free.

As far as my freight broker training programs, I would really love you to start talking smack about it. I am the best in the country. You will soon see how good I really am. A very large industry leader has chose me to create a training program for those who want to enter this industry as a broker/agent. They will be endorsing it and publicizing it. I am not a fraud like the rest of these guys who promote there so called training. I like to sleep at night. The people I train will actually learn the business correctly if they apply themselves.

Now as far as paying carriers and credit etc. Ansonia credit reports suck. Core Logic is much better followed by Trans Credit. Credit reports are often flawed because of poor reporting and personal vendetta's through self reporting etc. Now I will tell you that I am averaging 49 days to pay, this is actually very good because we were at 81 days for about 5 months. Stop !!!! Put your tongue back in your mouth. Thats right we were paying very late. This tends to happen when a lot of shippers do not pay there bills on time or at all, and a trucking company you lease on takes you for $40,000.

Even the best freight broker can take a hit. I did in 2010. I took a $300,000 hit with non paying and scandalous shippers and trucks. Am I whining? No! Am I out of business? Not yet. Not if I can help it!

I could do like a lot of brokers and just belly up and say ok guys who pulled my loads split the $10K bond amongst yourselves while I walk with the $200,000 in receivables. Sorry MusicMan, I am not a poser, I choose to do the right thing and work my ass off to make it right even though I took it on the chin. So I sold a few trucks, I only got two left now. With CSA 2010 a lot of people are going to be selling them anyway. When CSA 2011 comes into play a whole lot more will be going too. The larger companies are counting on it. Get ready to deactivate the authority and lease on. That's the game plan their counting on!

Even better in five months Obama is putting a new ratification to NAFTA to congress for a vote that will easily pass. This will make way for upwards of 45,000 mexican carriers to pull freight in the good old USA. Remember when they let 10,000 in 3 years ago as a test model. The industry will be turned upside down. While you have to play by the rules of CSA 2010-2011, they will not. Freight Brokers will love them as they will pull even cheaper freight while the fuel prices rise. Thank God, I move primarily Heavy Haul they really cant afford 10 axle trailers.

I put everything that is made off training into the brokerage to pay trucks. I spend all day either writing freight or talking to carriers and apologizing for paying them late and reassuring them that they will get there money. I ask them not to file on the bond, as yes they will get there money but they have to look at the big picture if they do that, then a few more might too. If two or three do it then the bond is gone. It willl be like a run on the bank during the depression. If that happens, then a lot of trucks dont get paid because the few have sacrificed the many.

Now you can think of me as you will, I really do not care. I am a stand up guy. Hell if you ever met me, you might even want to have a beer at Sadies place outside Johnston City going north on 37. I do not know if it is even there anymore. I really do not know what the hell got under your skin but seriously man. Take a XANAX already. I apologize, I am clueless here.

Now for the rest of the carriers that might pull Heavy Haul here. I am going to share a bit of warnings to you. The following people hit me hard last year and a lot of other CARRIERS too.

Baltimore Crane & Equipment - $17,500 - Dale Hebert - He has also burned (5) other carriers for around $20,000. He is still selling cranes on the crane network. I got a reward for anybody that can get me a good address. He also goes by Hebert Transportation in Connecticut (Woodstock)

B & R Crane - $11,000 - Houston, TX - Absolutely horrible.

Premier Crane in Biloxi,Miss- $21,000 - Wayne Borhees owns it, He had one of those Good credit ratings there Music Man. We have beeen trying to serve him for 9 months. He keeps the gates locked and you gotta make an appointment to see the cranes. The cops just wont messs with it.

Watch out if you want some more, please let me know. I got more than my share.

Sorry about the venting. MusicMan if you want to sound off and call me the scourge of the industry the feel free too. By the way even though I didnt get my money from the people above, the carriers all got paid. This however causes a trickle down effect. Some might not unless I can keep up the sales.

Oh well, I would actually loook forward to a stresss free weeknd with my kids. I just like to sell freight. I make more money when I do and I do not have to deal with all the drama.

Goodnight.

Wow six months later!!

Yep! Six Months Later
 

Sorry there bud! The replies to the messages forwarded to a rarily used gmail account. Now they come to my direct account. So all you drivers please sound off!

Hope you're making enough now to at least put some tires on your equipment. Keep trying and you'll get that 100% rating for equipment.

Actually from what I have experienced thus far. I am damn near ready to sell the trucks. Even when you buy good equipment, have drivers with good records and experience. It seems to be an excercie in futility. The damn trucks always need something it seems like. It seems easier just to lease on to someone and more profitable.

Wow, turbo, that's a lot of time spent on this little 'ol trucker board with little to no opportunity for the time spent to turn into money.

Big time exec's are more discerning of their use of time in my limited experience.

The thing for the small business owner to learn from all this is the research conducted by Musicman.

How many of us are that thorough in our busniness routines?

Might be a good idea...

A lot of time. It was 5 minutes typing. Are you a moron or do you type with two fingers? I was entering a response. Obviously your too obtuse to discern what the hell I said, which is "Verify Your Information Before You Run Your Mouth!", that is what will typically start a case for "Libel" or "Defamation Of Character". Everyone knows who I am , I have no reason to hide behind a moniker like "Lightblue Freightshaker". Only those who fear something need to hide. That is why i always voice my opinions strongly. If you read what I wrote, I was not berating MusicMan as he did me or you are attempting too. You should really stick to easier things. I assume you are a driver, maybe your specialty is the "Short Bus".

Im not trying to turn anything in to money. I was posting a response.

Thank you for clarifying where you fit in.

There is no way I could opine with the accuracy you have without getting truculent, therfore causing Scott to be garrulous as you have. good job. I am going to frame your name & pic as a icon! Move over G-man. j/k

Like how I got YOU to respond so I would not have to ? lol

No, I am from the Chicago Burbs. I bought property here a few years ago and live in Marion.

You're actually going to brag about averaging 29% profit on your brokered loads... on a board populated by owner operators... really? I don't begrudge anybody any profit they've made. If you were able to find suckers to haul your freight for such a low rate that you were able to put 29% in your pocket, shame on those carriers. Not many others on here have that same view, though. Most folks on here think a broker pocketing more than 10 - 15% should be jailed or worse.

No, you were looking to steal the work that somebody else paid for. You specifically stated you wanted something you could "modify to suit" your operation. That is theft. I happened to read your pathetic post at a time I had a couple weeks off and not much to do.

With you pocketing 29% and your carriers making a good profit, your shippers must've really getting screwed by you. Maybe that's why some of them decided to not pay you. They figured out just how badly they had been ripped off.

A guy with no conscience or integrity usually does sleep well.

All credit reporting agencies have flawed information. Many businesses don't report at all and many only report to one bureau. You also left out RTS. I used Ansonia because I can run those for free and I had no intention of wasting a penny on you.

It tends to happen when you make commitments that you cannot keep to carriers. This gets back to the integrity issue, which seems to be a recurring theme with you. Are you telling new carriers that you sign up that even though your contract states "payment in 30 days" which I'm sure it still does, that they can expect to be paid in 49.... if they are lucky? I'm sure you're not doing that because you'd not be able to get anybody to haul a load for you. Your website says you pay immediately. Your contract probably says "payment in 30 days" and yet you are proudly boasting to me that you now paying in 49 days. What is even more pathetic is that you seem to be oblivious to the fact that you are lying on your website and probably lying to your carriers.

If I booked a load with you, which from your credit profile alone and your cheesy website I'd NEVER do, I'd negotiate a rate with you based on the expectation that I'd be paid in a timely manner. When you don't pay when you are contractually obligated to, you put the business you owe at risk. If you say you will pay in 30 days, you damn well better be able to do it no matter who screws you over. Just because you didn't get paid, that is no moral or legal excuse to pay your accounts payable late. Maybe I'm a little hypersensitive to this topic because I had an account last year go 150+ days on $34k. They still owe me $8k 210 days out. Guess what? I still paid every single bill I had on time. Was it easy? No. But I made a commitment to my creditors and I made sure I kept my word. YOU on the other hand, seem completely unconcerned about what you're doing to your creditors (carriers). You're actually crowing about it.


Not as long as you can sucker new carriers in to pull your loads. As long as you can keep the factoring companies (who most certainly DO report to credit bureaus) paid in a relatively timely manner, I guess it's "all good," huh?

Ummmmm.... your MCS-150 filed in June shows only one truck. You started with one, rapidly expanded and then had to sell them all within just a few months? Really, and you'd actually admit to that?

WOW some one hit a nerve! It's a good thing your dumping the trucks, you loosing to much MONEY! I didn't add it up but it looked to be half a mill! ???

Awfully quiet, turbo must be applying himself to his trade.

Where's my commission?

Guess what I found ? well I was just browsing e-bay. I like to look at trucks for sale & see the going prices & options out there. on my last page I see a truck for sale in Kewane IL. so I think this town sounds familiar. so I look at the seller & it's freightbrokertrainer. I am getting confident I know who this is. well for one it is a conventional truck listed under the cab over category. so I am thinking this has to be the turbo guy. so what clinches my gut feeling, I look at the items he has bought recently. one item was listed as... COLLEGE DEGREE SCHOOL DIPLOMAS FAKE DIPLOMA TRANSCRIPT . now I am thinking this has to be him. buying fake documents. here is the link.
2005 International 9400I Eagle Condo Sleeper / Cummins - eBay (item 320672434470 end time Mar-24-11 08:16:51 PDT) you know the sad part is this guy probably has enough knowledge & smarts to make it good being honest. if he wanted to. just like a lot of people in jail or you see on t.v. they use their intelligence dishonestly where they could make more money just doing what they do in a honest way. anyway.... I thought I would share the laugh with you all.

To funny!!