| Shawnee |
01-01-2010 06:11 PM |
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Originally Posted by allan5oh
(Post 471599)
That's hilarious CAT trying to justify their exit as them taking the high road. They simply failed. Their 08 DPF engines were the worst in the industry, fleets had dozens of them parked against the fence. Their market share plummeted from over 40% to around 12% in less than 4 years. That's not due to EPA mandates, that's simply pure failure in the business.
Back in 03 they were the only engine maker to be kicking and screaming about the new emissions, even though they had ~5 years to figure it out. They even sued the EPA. Everyone laughed. Then they didn't meet the deadline and we're putting out "illegal" engines with high fines. Everyone laughed again.
Their marketing was absolutely terrible. Right from 03. "We'll meet 2010 without EGR". 2008 comes around and what do they put in? EGR! Everyone had another laugh at their expense. Any half decent marketing expert would say to never make forward looking projections like that. Kind of like what Navistar is doing now.
ACERT's are well known to be terrible on fuel. Entire fleets were handing them in, going with Cummins.
There was also a truck show a few months before they announced they were pulling out. Their slogan? "We're in it for the long haul". A few months later they announced they were pulling out at the end of 2009. Then shortly after that they moved it up a year. Their market share was shrinking faster than home values. I pointed this out well before they announced the pullout. At this point Volvo was selling more motors.
They were simply stubborn. Made too many forward looking statements, and didn't want to change their platform. Stuck to it too much. Then their platform dive bombed after 08. They had the most problems with DPF. Instead of proper marketing and engineering, they simply pulled the plug.
So to blame the EPA is a joke, because everyone has to meet those emissions. Yes the new engines are less reliable, but the other makers are constantly working on solutions. Cummins put the EGR valve on the cold side, and went with a more refined turbo. Volvo did the same thing. Detroit came out with a completely new engine that is designed from the ground up to meet 2010, and has turbocompounding and the simplest turbo in the industry(unlike their series 60 EGR turbo).
And if they say that Cummins and Detroit put out unreliable engines, and they'd never go with their style engines, what does that say about ACERT when their market share was a quarter of what it once was? Even before they announced the pullout.
THEY FAILED!
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I am one person who is happy CAT is not making truck engines anymore, I have one of the 08 engines in one of my trucks and it is the worst engine I have ever had, there has been nothing but problems with the DPF, it is always in the shop, CAT told me when I speced out the truck that the engines are doing great and the fuel economy was going to be fantastic, what a bunch of liars, if I had known then how bad these engines were going to be I would have never bought one. It almost seems like they put no thought into this engine. I would just love to put a stick of dynamite in this truck, or take it back to CAT and tell them to shove it up their ass
Anyway, I have had good luck with older CAT engines in the past but they were never as fuel efficient as the Detroits, which I always found were less expensive to fix than the CATs. My friends who have new trucks with Cummins and Detroits and Mercedes are all really happy with them and the fuel economy |
