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Quality Carriers threatening to match logs to satelite transponders
Welcome, Big Brother!
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And DOT being able to acess your qual com as you drive thry the scales ain't far off either I'd bet.
Hope they have plenty of drivers....they gonna need 'em if they start that |
I assumed any company that uses Qualcomm/transponders was already doing that.
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Originally Posted by Red Clay Rambler: I stop and go, take breaks, nap, use the internet...it's going to be a pain if I've got to record every little thing I do and it's going to mess with the way I like to drive. |
Most I reckon like a comapny I worked for used the qwual com just to keep up with equipment and communicate with drivers.....or so they said.
Couse I know of 2 companies right off that would have to hire a wad of drivers and buy more equipmnet if they started running legal, bet you do too. |
Originally Posted by partssman: |
A company is essentially required to use every tool under its power to ensure you're logging legally, otherwise they're setting themselves up for a huge lawsuit.
Could you just see it now? Huge fatal accident, involving a truck. Turns out the truck may have been running over hours. Lawyer to company representative : "So you guys use the qualcomm system, we know it logs where the truck is, do you use this system to match the logbooks of the driver, to ensure compliance?" "no" case closed.... multi-million dollar settlement.... |
Originally Posted by allan5oh: Also, we don't use qualcommon. But they put these transponders on the trailers. Seriously, we all know logbook rules are rough and they'll never know when a driver is actually tired and when he's actually alert like the driver himself can judge. Arguments can be made in favor of logbook rules, but they contradict the way I like to run and what I'm comfortable with. It's one thing to make us do logs that generally reflect what we've done, it's another thing to computer and satelite check them minute by minute. I hate it, but like everyone else, I'll do what I have to do. |
Unfortunately it doesn't matter when you're tired, when you're not tired, when you can run, or when you cannot run.
What matters is, if your logbook is legal or not. Have you broken federal laws? |
I don't think lowrange is interested in cheating, my guess is he doesn't want to fool with having to draw a line for every 15-minute catnap, etc.
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Originally Posted by Red Clay Rambler: Originally Posted by : |
Originally Posted by Red Clay Rambler: |
Just for the record, I was not accusing anyone of fudging their logbooks.
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There are a number of things a carrier can do with qualcomm. They can check your mpg, average speed and even set your maximum speed. They can give real time locations within minutes. I don't personally care for qualcomm, but when you work for a carrier who does use them and they want to match their records with yours, it is best to work with the system.
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Originally Posted by allan5oh: I look at it like this: which is most important for doing a logbook, a watch or a calculator? If your answer is 'a calculator', you fudge your logbook. But, that doesn't mean you run 3300+ miles per week or that you run 800 miles in a day. What it does mean is that you don't want to spend 10 hours just sitting around all day because you got to your consignee at midnight and began unloading at 7 am. |
Also even if your carrier doesn't compair logs with Qualcom DOT can if they come in to do an audit. They just pick drivers at random and have their past XXX months of Qualcom reading printed out (believe Qualcom "hits" the truck for location every 15 minutes automaticaly, more if dispatcher is watching you, and then you have to explain how you got from Baltimore to Pittsburg in 30 minutes :)
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Originally Posted by Walking Eagle: |
The DOT can't use the QC against you in court...the qc is not always accurate ...it can lose track of the vehicles location . Unless you're werner an the qc is the log the dot has to go by the drivers log not qc
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Just ask CR England, 1999 they paid $100,000 something fine for letting drivers run illigal logs after DOT checked against QualCom. 2001 CCC $97,000, Oh and you could ask Landstar, couple of years ago the got a hefty one over the trucks that run QualCom, why they got so anal over logs the last few years. They may not go after the driver but they go after the company, and you know that is gona put you right at the top (favorite) spot with dispatch. Right.
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Log it as you do it..... there is NO reason for you to go over the 14hr rule, and 11hrs is plenty of time to drive during the day. If you think otherwise and you use the excuse "i dont make any money if I dont push it the extra" then you need to find another job because your at the wrong place making the wrong amount of money :)
Just my .02 and i'm sure there will be plenty of you who disagree with me, but the point is to be safe and make it there, even if it's late, than not at all..... work smarter and not harder. |
Originally Posted by lowrange: |
Originally Posted by rgordon212: There's nothing unsafe about going over the 11/14 hr rule if you're not tired...and there is nothing that makes a driver running 100% legal rested and or safe ...Werner drivers run 100% legal 11/14/70 with to the minute legal breaks ...I guess Werner drivers must be the most well rested accident free drivers on the road and never has one ever had a wreck due to falling asleep at the wheel ... |
"but the point is to be safe and make it there, even if it's late, than not at all....."
Thats why when I'm tired I sleep, and the 14 hour rule goes out the window, its worked for me for 35 years, why change it now? |
Originally Posted by rgordon212: So, you just look at your watch when you draw your lines, you don't do anything like, oh say, divide your miles by some preferred rate of speed and then just log that many hours? I've finally met the guy who would stop just outside of Atlanta even though he just had a nap and he's wide awake but he's at his fourteen hours. You would do the right thing, you would wait ten hours and pass Atlanta at 8am...when it's safer... :bow: |
amen to 'log it as you drive it'. No reason to 'fear' the feds using the Q-Comm to doublecheck your log book. If you have nothing to fear or hide, why worry about it? If you have to 'cheat' your book to make an extra $100 a week.....then by all means, worry about paying out a few thousand dollar tickets. Sure glad you made that extra money. =)
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Originally Posted by Kevin0915: You didn't seem to notice that no one made an argument based on making a little extra money. But, I really am glad everytime you fill out your logbook you just look at your wristwatch and draw the line and that's that, by the book, good to go! :thumbsup: |
not hardly. I give wal-mart 15 minutes on the books to unload my truck. then i am 'off duty'. dont care if it takes them 30 min, 45 min or an hour, my book will say 15 minutes. why would i want to burn up my 70hr with 15 min here and there. as long as i show im accurate on the drive line, i'm fine.
besides, why you giving me crap for logging legal for? you think you HAVE to cheat the books to earn the same amount of money you made last year? hardly think so. |
Originally Posted by Kevin0915: |
Very ironic indeed that the new driver who just finished training is preaching logging to experienced O/Os....
Especially considering how he claims he is "logging legal", when IN THE VERY SAME POST he admits to fudging his numbers...What am I missing? |
Originally Posted by TomB985: |
Originally Posted by lowrange: That being said.... Actually it's called "proper trip planning" and I would have already been on the other side of Atlanta when my 14 was up. There are NO cliche's there.... done it a ton of times, even if it meant me stopping 2 hrs early the day before to make sure I got thru when traffic was minimal. Why would I have just had a nap? If I'm stopping, it for bed.... not a nap! Whats the point of the nap? Aparently if I am tired while I'm driving and need a nap then I must not have gotten my full rest the night prior? I would not have that problem since I take a full 10hr break, helll sometimes even 11-12 if I feel like it. Yes, i start and end on my 10/14 everyday. I have no problems doing this, like I stated... you just have to know how to run a business and do it properly. I dont do these fly-by-the-seat of my pants loads most of you do. If you are getting a good rate and no pulling cheap freight, then there is no reason for you to run illegally. I pride myself on my 1 million miles of saftey, and I try to follow in my fathers footsteps with his 5 million miles...... Run how you want to, but if you have been on the road driving for over 11 hours and you come near me, please let me know so i can stop and get some coffee and let you truck on down the road, i need no part of anything your fatigue may cause. I take loads I know I have plenty of time on and they usually pay VERY VERY well, so I take my time and do them leasiurly. I only accept drop and hooks so I have no appoint times to make. |
Originally Posted by rgordon212: I was speaking in general terms, I wasn't tailoring all my comments to your proclivities. You sleep for...eleven hours...and you don't take naps. I, for one, usually need a 10 minute afternoon power nap. Others will have their own habits and pattern. Again, if you thought my comments were all about you, that wasn't the case. All you do is drop and hooks! Fantastic! Not everyone does, however. You are able to anticipate your schedule and the progress of your trip days ahead! Awesome! I was dispatched on the load I have now after my delivery and was confronted with trying to get past Atlanta either before or after rush hour- this time neither presented a logbook problem. You won't find me actually driving more than 11 hours per day, but I can have an early morning delivery, have a lot of down time during the day and feel rested and energetic for driving until midnight or 1 am- I used split sleeper birth hours a lot before they took it away. Anyway, I'm glad you are safe and I'm glad you look down at your wristwatch each time you make a stroke on your logbook to make sure that the logbook perfectly represents your location and activity (except when you cheat on loading). I'm also glad you don't exceed 55 mph is those states and that you have no need to take out a calculator to figure out a legally acceptable travel time between two points. You are America's finest. :tears: |
Originally Posted by lowrange: I understand you all have to do what ya gotta do to get the job done, and props to you for doing that, and providing for your family, let no one take that away from you! I was just replying initially to the posters thread about him being all worried about Q.C. tracking his info over the qualcomm, to solve that there is only 2 options 1.) Run legal and do it as you go 2.) Quit Q.C. and go somewhere else.... plain and simple. |
I have to say, Lowrange, there are still plenty of us out here who log from a watch rather than a calculator. I understand why many drivers do otherwise, and to be honest I have no problem with that either.
However, I have been driving for just over a year now, and had my first level 1 inspection yesterday. It was a great feeling, being able to hand over my logbook to the Utah highway patrol officer and have NO worries whatsoever. However, I also know many drivers who will log with a calculator...and that's FINE. As long as they recognize their limits and drive accordingly...nothing wrong with it! That being said...from the way I see it, if a company will check logs with the qualcomm, the driver has to make a choice...either do it the "right" way, or go elsewhere. :) |
Originally Posted by TomB985: I'm long past the days of dropping 8% of my miles when driving out West so as to get most out of the 70. I've long stopped using a trick another trainer taught me, to log stops at little cities so the DOT can't quickly look at a chart somewhere and see right away the distance between, say, Albuquerque and Amarillo. But, to actually fill out a logbook with a wristwatch!?!?! Are you serious? Not when you arrive at midnight and start unloading at 7am, that much I know. :smokin: So, you use a wristwatch? Me, it's not about excessive driving, it's more about internet message boards and pulling over every hour, particularly if it's a hot political debate. Well, if they do follow through and crack down like that, I guess I'll have to decide....And, as far as any DOT inspection goes, I generally just need a moment to draw that last couple of lines...you know? |
Oh, I didn't mean I logged lots o' time on line 4...heck if followed to the letter, nearly ANYTHING you do would be on line 4, with the possible exception of sleeping(as long as you are in the BACK!).
And yes, my trainer DID show me how to do it, and how to not get caught...I just choose to not do it... But I do log driving time like I do it. |
Originally Posted by TomB985: That't the right way to do it! You are a good man! |
Now if you arrive at midnight, and start unloading at 7am, why not wait the extra 3 hours and get your 10hr break in so then you will have a fresh 14 to work with?
I guess all were getting at is to be safe....... and it really does not matter how you do it, but for the reputation of all truck drivers out there, just be safe. We need more bad shit said about us like we need another hole in our heads. |
They should implant a matching microchip in your forehead so they know when you are inside of Cafe Risqué watching chicks dance too !!!! :pissedoff:
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Originally Posted by avc: Actually though, this thread needs to go away. With the downturn, I covet this job now, I wouldn't want to screw it up. :) |
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