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2 11-26-2007 06:59 AM

The biggest risk in Cheap Freight, is Your Reputation,.
 
They know you took it cheap, before.
What's to motivate them to give you a raise?

allan5oh 11-26-2007 07:01 AM

Who are you, exactly?

Mackman 11-26-2007 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by allan5oh
Who are you, exactly?

hes #2

RostyC 11-26-2007 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mackman
hes #2

He's twice the man #1 is.

RostyC 11-26-2007 11:24 AM

hey Mackman get your a$$ to work. :lol:

Mackman 11-26-2007 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RostyC
hey Mackman get your a$$ to work. :lol:

LOL tell me about it. :evil:

11-26-2007 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RostyC
He's twice the man #1 is.

LOL

ncnewbie 11-26-2007 07:30 PM

Who DOES #2 work for!

RostyC 11-26-2007 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ncnewbie
Who DOES #2 work for!

#4 he's only half as good, so he doesn't deserve to own the company.

ncnewbie 11-26-2007 08:11 PM

I figured Dr. Evil..........

pepe4158 11-26-2007 09:43 PM

My rep?????OMG ...they already think im a loser nobody with only 1 truck...hows it get worse?

LOAD IT 11-26-2007 11:54 PM

I would say the biggest risk in taking a cheap load, is then taking another cheap load, then taking another cheap load, then taking another cheap load and so on until you realize, I'm out of business. How did this happen? Sunny at CHR kept my wheels turning! How did I go broke?

Well your revenue was $1.13 per mile and your cost was $1.70 per mile, so your profit was= negative $ .57 per mile.

Who cares about your reputation when you are a has been??

merrick4 11-27-2007 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pepe4158
My rep?????OMG ...they already think im a loser nobody with only 1 truck...hows it get worse?

Hey Pepe you know what they say, fake it til you make it. Hell half the time when I'm talking with these people I always refer to the driver as if he's an employee of mine. Actually most of the time they assume it and I just keep on going right along with them.

GMAN 11-27-2007 02:20 AM

Pepe, I have spoken with a number of brokers who would rather deal with a single truck operator than a large carrier. They know that most are more reliable than the large carriers and will do what they say. Unless you tell them that you are the owner, driver, chief cook and bottle washer, they are not likely to know. They could look you up and find out, but I find it isn't that important for most of them. You need to stop putting yourself down. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being a one man operation. I would wager that there are more single truck operations than multi truck. By the way, you mentioned previously that you were thinking about leasing on to Landstar. Is that still something you are considering or do you plan on continue running your authority?

merrick4 11-27-2007 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GMAN
Pepe, I have spoken with a number of brokers who would rather deal with a single truck operator than a large carrier. They know that most are more reliable than the large carriers and will do what they say. Unless you tell them that you are the owner, driver, chief cook and bottle washer, they are not likely to know. They could look you up and find out, but I find it isn't that important for most of them. You need to stop putting yourself down. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being a one man operation. I would wager that there are more single truck operations than multi truck. By the way, you mentioned previously that you were thinking about leasing on to Landstar. Is that still something you are considering or do you plan on continue running your authority?

They had a great program on Talk of The Nation on NPR today on wealth. I missed the very beginning but it was on how or when do we consider ourselves wealthy.

They had one guy call in or was just finishing med school and made the comment that there are Family Practice doctors who could treat 50 people a day all of them of much lower means and yet the doctor will compare himself with the cadiologist down the road and feel not as wealthy.

They even mentioned one guy who had a yacht but he was standing on the dock looking at the much bigger yachts and feeling like his yacht was inconsequential.

I guess in the same vein, there are many many people I've met in my short time out here who would love to be in Pepe's shoes. But I guess it's just human nature I guess to never be content with what we have; really in a way that's good cause if we were content with what we had we wouldn't strive to be better.

pepe4158 11-27-2007 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GMAN
Pepe, I have spoken with a number of brokers who would rather deal with a single truck operator than a large carrier. They know that most are more reliable than the large carriers and will do what they say. Unless you tell them that you are the owner, driver, chief cook and bottle washer, they are not likely to know. They could look you up and find out, but I find it isn't that important for most of them. You need to stop putting yourself down. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being a one man operation. I would wager that there are more single truck operations than multi truck. By the way, you mentioned previously that you were thinking about leasing on to Landstar. Is that still something you are considering or do you plan on continue running your authority?

He-he will finishing out the year with my own authority for sure....my tags and permits are paid for till the end of the year then might just take off a couple months to see the wife in Asia....n worry bout it when I get back.

Wel my insurance is paid off till March, but may lease to get them to buy me some new plates and permits to run on...not sure right now :-p

Landstar wanted a full year of recent Exp (others I contacted 6 mos was ok)...n even tho I have almost 10 yrs with USX as a driver/trainer, its not recent so they think I cant drive I quess :-p (Ins. issues I know)

2 11-27-2007 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by allan5oh
Who are you, exactly?

Well, If I can quit laughing long enough....

I drive a truck.
I want to see fewer drivers run cheap.

Otherwise, I'm nobody.

(smilies don't work?)

LOAD IT 11-27-2007 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by allan5oh
Who are you, exactly?

Allan- dont ever ask a man that question. He may give you an alias. Sit back and observe him for awhile and you will soon know who he is. A somebody or a nobody. Just sit back and watch. He's definitely not Number 1.

GMAN 11-27-2007 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by merrick4
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Originally Posted by GMAN
Pepe, I have spoken with a number of brokers who would rather deal with a single truck operator than a large carrier. They know that most are more reliable than the large carriers and will do what they say. Unless you tell them that you are the owner, driver, chief cook and bottle washer, they are not likely to know. They could look you up and find out, but I find it isn't that important for most of them. You need to stop putting yourself down. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being a one man operation. I would wager that there are more single truck operations than multi truck. By the way, you mentioned previously that you were thinking about leasing on to Landstar. Is that still something you are considering or do you plan on continue running your authority?

They had a great program on Talk of The Nation on NPR today on wealth. I missed the very beginning but it was on how or when do we consider ourselves wealthy.

They had one guy call in or was just finishing med school and made the comment that there are Family Practice doctors who could treat 50 people a day all of them of much lower means and yet the doctor will compare himself with the cadiologist down the road and feel not as wealthy.

They even mentioned one guy who had a yacht but he was standing on the dock looking at the much bigger yachts and feeling like his yacht was inconsequential.

I guess in the same vein, there are many many people I've met in my short time out here who would love to be in Pepe's shoes. But I guess it's just human nature I guess to never be content with what we have; really in a way that's good cause if we were content with what we had we wouldn't strive to be better.


That sounds like it was a good program. There is something to be said for not being satisfied with what we have, however there comes a time when we need to be content, especially with ourselves. It can mess with our psyche to continually put ourselves down. I don't think it helps ourselves to constantly be envious of what others have that we don't. I think most of those people have other issues or a void in their lives that they are trying to fill with "things." It is easier to be content with what we have when we are content with ourselves.

rank 11-27-2007 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by allan5oh
Who are you, exactly?

Well, If I can quit laughing long enough....

I drive a truck.
I want to see fewer drivers run cheap.

For a driver, what's cheap? :wink:

Sonny Pruitt 11-27-2007 10:46 PM

If it connects the dots its ok to take a cheap one now and then
this week
Mon del mega,p/u cheapo
tue del cheapo, p/u so so
wed del so so p/u mega
thur del mega p/u cheapo
fri del cheapo p/u mega


thats how its done

kblickster 11-27-2007 11:29 PM

Still a newbie but here's my take on what cheap freight is.....

About 98% of what is on the load boards.

Still working on my connections. I do get calls - just rarely in the right place at the right time. I'm fortunate to have one contact that keeps me on the road at a decent rate and I just have to fill in the blanks.

I just find it hard to believe that some of these brokers are still trying to move loads for a dollar a mile. I don't care how desperate I get - I'll never pull a load for that.

Driver: Calling about the load you have posted from the Kalamazoo to Timbuktu.

Broker: Yeah, that's a one pick one drop that weighs 43,000 lbs. 1200 miles and pays 1250 to the truck.

Driver: Uh(choke on coffee), did you say 1250?

Broker: Yeah, and that will need to be in Timbuktu in 2 days, but it's one stop and no touch.

Driver: Don't think I can pull it for that rate. Have you guys heard that fuel is 3.39 a gallon? Thanks anyway.

Broker: Wait, what do you think you could do it for?

Driver: I'd need XXXX.XX

Broker: We don't even have that much in it. We'll find someone to move it.

Sure enough, later that day the load is no longer posted.

2 11-27-2007 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rank
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Originally Posted by 2
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Originally Posted by allan5oh
Who are you, exactly?

Well, If I can quit laughing long enough....

I drive a truck.
I want to see fewer drivers run cheap.

For a driver, what's cheap? :wink:

I can't answer that question.

Some drivers live very well.

Some drivers, running the same stuff, don't live well.
Those that don't live well, contribute to the depression in rates.

2 11-27-2007 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LOAD IT
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Originally Posted by allan5oh
Who are you, exactly?

Allan- dont ever ask a man that question. He may give you an alias. Sit back and observe him for awhile and you will soon know who he is. A somebody or a nobody. Just sit back and watch. He's definitely not Number 1.

:shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol:



edited to say that I figured out how to make the smilies work.
Hint: java

allan5oh 11-27-2007 11:42 PM

You need coffee to make smileys work?

PS... welcome to the board.

2 11-27-2007 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by allan5oh
You need coffee to make smileys work?

PS... welcome to the board.

Nah.
I don't like coffee, but I drink it, everyday.

I refuse to use IE.
I run Firefox, with 26 extensions.
http://en.www.mozilla.com/en/firefox/

Java script needs my permission to run.
Just a matter of allowing it, site by site.

Thanks for the welcome.
:D

LOAD IT 11-28-2007 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonny Pruitt
If it connects the dots its ok to take a cheap one now and then
this week
Mon del mega,p/u cheapo
tue del cheapo, p/u so so
wed del so so p/u mega
thur del mega p/u cheapo
fri del cheapo p/u mega


thats how its done

A lot of guys dont get this, they think they should always get the mega load or it goes

Mon p/u mega
Tues run mega
Wed del mega
Thurs sit wait
Fri sit wait
Sat deadhead for home
Sun recover from deadhead pray for mega on Monday

Rev.Vassago 11-28-2007 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LOAD IT
A lot of guys dont get this, they think they should always get the mega load or it goes

Mon p/u mega
Tues run mega
Wed del mega
Thurs sit wait
Fri sit wait
Sat deadhead for home
Sun recover from deadhead pray for mega on Monday

Works for me 8)

allan5oh 11-28-2007 12:23 AM

Or just head home wednesday night and take the rest of the week off?

LOAD IT 11-28-2007 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago
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Originally Posted by LOAD IT
A lot of guys dont get this, they think they should always get the mega load or it goes

Mon p/u mega
Tues run mega
Wed del mega
Thurs sit wait
Fri sit wait
Sat deadhead for home
Sun recover from deadhead pray for mega on Monday

Works for me 8)

Rev--You're in a different line of work, I'm talking about non-specialized guys. :lol:

rank 11-28-2007 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by allan5oh
Who are you, exactly?

Well, If I can quit laughing long enough....

I drive a truck.
I want to see fewer drivers run cheap.

For a driver, what's cheap? :wink:

I can't answer that question.

Some drivers live very well.

Some drivers, running the same stuff, don't live well.
Those that don't live well, contribute to the depression in rates.

So you want to see fewer drivers run for cheap but you can't say what cheap is?

Mackman 11-28-2007 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rank
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Originally Posted by 2
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Originally Posted by rank
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Originally Posted by 2
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Originally Posted by allan5oh
Who are you, exactly?

Well, If I can quit laughing long enough....

I drive a truck.
I want to see fewer drivers run cheap.

For a driver, what's cheap? :wink:

I can't answer that question.

Some drivers live very well.

Some drivers, running the same stuff, don't live well.
Those that don't live well, contribute to the depression in rates.

So you want to see fewer drivers run for cheap but you can't say what cheap is?

anything less the 4.50 mi. :wink:

rank 11-28-2007 03:06 AM

did you mean .45 LOL.

Sonny Pruitt 11-28-2007 03:23 AM

I don't drift all over the country looking for loads
If I find a good load I try to be on time ,call etc
but then I hammer the broker to get more loads
during the week
If I find a good load I go back over and over
asap
now I have a goal....cover these loads
I key the rest of my week trying to connect with them

but I have also used a 1.20 backhaul as a center point to connect the dots
I can plan a whole week around a 1.20 load out of New England
but they are not random loads
they have to connect seamless to a desired area

no_worries 11-28-2007 04:16 AM

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Sun recover from deadhead pray for mega on Monday
Therein lies the flaw...mega comes on Fridays :lol:

Ian Williams 11-28-2007 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by merrick4

They had a great program on Talk of The Nation on NPR today on wealth. I missed the very beginning but it was on how or when do we consider ourselves wealthy.

They had one guy call in or was just finishing med school and made the comment that there are Family Practice doctors who could treat 50 people a day all of them of much lower means and yet the doctor will compare himself with the cadiologist down the road and feel not as wealthy.

They even mentioned one guy who had a yacht but he was standing on the dock looking at the much bigger yachts and feeling like his yacht was inconsequential.

I guess in the same vein, there are many many people I've met in my short time out here who would love to be in Pepe's shoes. But I guess it's just human nature I guess to never be content with what we have; really in a way that's good cause if we were content with what we had we wouldn't strive to be better.

Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #97
"Enough... is never enough."

This holds true for lots of things in life. I have a friend from high school who has worked in car sales. He has told me that the one constant is that almost all people want more car than they can afford. The guy with the Honda wants an Acura. The Mercedes driver wants to keep up with the Joneses and get a Maybach. At the top of the heap you have Larry Ellison (founder of Oracle Software) and Jay Leno.

LOAD IT 11-28-2007 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonny Pruitt
I don't drift all over the country looking for loads
If I find a good load I try to be on time ,call etc
but then I hammer the broker to get more loads
during the week
If I find a good load I go back over and over
asap
now I have a goal....cover these loads
I key the rest of my week trying to connect with them

but I have also used a 1.20 backhaul as a center point to connect the dots
I can plan a whole week around a 1.20 load out of New England
but they are not random loads
they have to connect seamless to a desired area

I had a guy with 40 years in the industry (with his name on the door) tell me every load has a purpose if it gets you back to the money load.

2 11-28-2007 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by allan5oh
Who are you, exactly?

Well, If I can quit laughing long enough....

I drive a truck.
I want to see fewer drivers run cheap.

For a driver, what's cheap? :wink:

I can't answer that question.

Some drivers live very well.

Some drivers, running the same stuff, don't live well.
Those that don't live well, contribute to the depression in rates.

So you want to see fewer drivers run for cheap but you can't say what cheap is?

You are right, about that.
It is still an individual thing, and will be, for quite some time,

Part of it is in the cost of living, around the country,.
NY will have a higher cost of living than KY.

Another factor that most don't consider, is the cost of dental care. This should be factored into the wage that a driver requires.

Thus, it should also be factored into the driver pay component, that an O/O uses to determine the least he can run for.

There are a lot of drivers out here, with no teeth, or poor teeth.
Low rate drivers will have a hard time taking care of their kid's teeth, much less their own.
Good dental care also has other health care implications.

The question is not easy, nor simple.
There are enough desperate people to keep the rate down.

They just don't understand that it is a pay me now, or pay me later type of question.

The same way a low rate driver defers maintenance.
They don't understand that deferred maintenance is the same as eating truck parts and supplies, for dinner.

That doesn't help with the dental problem, either. :D

rank 12-01-2007 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rank
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Originally Posted by 2
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Originally Posted by rank
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Originally Posted by 2
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Originally Posted by allan5oh
Who are you, exactly?

Well, If I can quit laughing long enough....

I drive a truck.
I want to see fewer drivers run cheap.

For a driver, what's cheap? :wink:

I can't answer that question.

Some drivers live very well.

Some drivers, running the same stuff, don't live well.
Those that don't live well, contribute to the depression in rates.

So you want to see fewer drivers run for cheap but you can't say what cheap is?

You are right, about that.
It is still an individual thing, and will be, for quite some time,

Part of it is in the cost of living, around the country,.
NY will have a higher cost of living than KY.

Another factor that most don't consider, is the cost of dental care. This should be factored into the wage that a driver requires.

Thus, it should also be factored into the driver pay component, that an O/O uses to determine the least he can run for.

There are a lot of drivers out here, with no teeth, or poor teeth.
Low rate drivers will have a hard time taking care of their kid's teeth, much less their own.
Good dental care also has other health care implications.

The question is not easy, nor simple.
There are enough desperate people to keep the rate down.

They just don't understand that it is a pay me now, or pay me later type of question.

The same way a low rate driver defers maintenance.
They don't understand that deferred maintenance is the same as eating truck parts and supplies, for dinner.

That doesn't help with the dental problem, either. :D

Brudda, you are preachin' to the choir.

Bigmon 12-01-2007 06:23 PM

?[/quote]
Another factor that most don't consider, is the cost of dental care. This should be factored into the wage that a driver requires.

If that's the case then a company driver should do the same.



There are a lot of drivers out here, with no teeth, or poor teeth.{quote}

They seem to have lots of chrome though.
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