I have no experience with HHG.

That said, why should anyone get paid $1k less a trip?

Trucking expenses are going up all the time.

As long as O/O's and drivers continue to shrug their shoulders and accept less, and less, and less for their work, the companies will keep paying less, and less, and less for said work.

How low will it go??????????

Well, I can say for certain that isn't true. We still operate under some of the older tariffs, depending upon the contract. I doubt they don't use the 400N at all, even if they attempt to limit its exposure. That is, unless they have figured out a way to keep every contract from using it.

And that's exactly their logic's! Where would you go?
So may be next year, they'll cut some more.
What a hell! Still better than "England"! :P :sad:

If these new changes go through, I'm contemplating getting out of the business altogether. Labor is getting terribly expensive, people are filing more claims then ever trying to make a buck, fuel is reaching all time highs, surveys are consistently coming in several thousand pounds lower than they should, and the carriers are trying to take away our accessorials - my bread and butter. Accessorials are normally between 30-50% of my revenue on a trip - a single 19,000 lb trip I am loading next week has over $2000 in accessorials. Under this new tarrif, it would have about $1000. Sure, the transportation charge is supposed to go up $1000 to cover it, but GVL takes 48% of that. So, I would have to live with $480 less in my pocket. That is unacceptable.

Things are tough all over guys.

I guess it's not as simple as I/C's not doing business with UVL's huh?

Actually it reeks of regulation, another example of how the government can't even run a lemonade stand.

Unfortunately, no. All the major HHG carriers are in a consortium (kind of like OPEC). They make sure that all the standards and practices are uniform throughout the HHG industry. United, unfortunately, is the largest HHG carrier in the world, and they have quite a bit of leverage within the Bureau.

The HHG industry is already regulated, and has been for over 70 years. What they basically want to do is allow each of the HHG carriers to operate under their own tariff that they write themselves. However, there is nothing in place to stop any of the carriers from writing a lowball tariff that undercuts their I/C's, and benefits themselves. Only time will tell if this actually happens, and what the new tariffs look like. Graebel is trying to assure us that they are not gonna screw us over. I hope so, but I am skeptical.

The memo I got from the AMA doesn't say anything about United influencing the new tariff change, although they are a component. The other components (ie: other carriers) were at the meeting to discuss the new change as well.

The reason for the new tariff is to combat the aggressive discounts in the arket. Heck, Allied/North American approved 74% discount around a month ago. Now thats another competition is the rate-war.

United lost just as many drivers as the other carriers once 400N was passed. The purpose was to put discounts to an end, and that lasted a whole 2 weeks. This is another change to a tariff just like any other.

Bekins were (and still might be) operating under the 412 tariff. I know 2 years ago, they were.

To point the finger at United is a bit bold and outlandish when you think about it. Why would United want to make LESS money?

Sidenote: Where did your memo come from, Rev?

Money has been leaving this industry for years. My father, 30 years and still going, always tells me about the old days. Back then, once you put a piece of furniture on the truck you made money. When I bought my dad's truck, he told me "You have to be a business man FIRST, and a mover 2nd". It was vice versa in the old days.

Things have to get worse, before they can get better.

I have about 2 months until I get into enclosed car hauling. My dad is getting his trailer converted for the car hauler while me and him are vacationing in the dominican republic this winter 8)


Like it or leave it. I'm going with the latter option :wink:

How does taking money away from the I/C's and putting it in the pocket of the Van Lines combat discounts?

Perhaps you should re-read what the new tariff will do. United will make MORE money, and their I/C's will make less, as they will get a huge percentage of the item 135 accessorial, where as before they got little or none.