possible or impossible??
 

Here is the situation. You get a load, you get underway at 7p (CDT) and the load delivers by 15:30 CDT the next day. You have to drive 617 miles, of which 319 are run within states with a 55mph speed limit. the rest of said miles are run at however fast your truck can go....lets say 62mph.

Now i know the answer is it is POSSIBLE, if you keep the doors closed, and never stop for a break, and drive 11 straight hours and speed a little. Cause the way i figure, if you estimate your speed as 55mph, it will take 11.21 hours to drive 617 miles.

but in your opinion....is it reasonable to expect this load to be on time?

Possible yes, realistic no.

yeah, that is what i was thinking.

i should also clarify, that you had to also do everything legally. I mean, i think i was running 57-58 at times with the cruise on when the speed limit was 55mph....but i never would ever consider fudging my logbook to 'allow' myself to drive an extra hour just for the sake of getting the load dropped on time. From what my DM told me this morning after i sent in my Macro saying i was running late on order, he asked me "is there any way of delivering on time?" and i said there wasnt because i just parked it after reaching my 14hr limit. I took a 3 hr nap just after 1a, because during my 10 hr 'rest' while i sat at the terminal, i really didnt get much sleep because i had to sleep with one eye and ear open waiting for my QC to BEEP telling me the load had arrived at the terminal.

But regardless, the nap i took is irrelevent. If i didnt take it, i would have run into HOS issues with my 11hr drive clock. Seeing how it played out, my 14 hr clock only kept me from driving 15 minutes of my 11 hr clock. how far can u get in 15 min. 18 miles?? I was 55+ miles away from the drop.

He also told me the previous driver took a service failure on the load, and that is the real reason this load didnt make it on time. It was recheduled for 730a tomorrow morning, and i am 2 miles from the drop....

yeah, i know technically it is possible. one would have to run straight 11 hours, with no stopping..etc. I would HOPE that the company would see that, and understand that is not 'safe'.

It's tough when your dispatcher cannot get the idea of the HOS rules that drivers have.

However, I also think that this run was taken with no time for error...such as traffic and fuel issues.

The is why a pre-trip plan is needed....to plan how many hours are needed, then to add at least 2 hours for room....


For example...This trip is 617 miles to drive. You figure a driving average of 55 MPH, no matter what the speed limited is. That means it will take you the 11.25 hours that you figured above.

You need to take a 2 hour lunch break in the middle...

You also need to add another 10 hours for your break,since you would go over your 11 hours of driver per 24, even if it just 15 minutes. But you were also having your truck loaded, unless you went to line 2 while that was happening, and you still have a problem with the 14 HOS rule.

Then at least another 2 hours for a cushion for unforeseen problems, like traffic and such.

Total time needed is 25.25 hours total, and that's when you are able to leave the dock loaded. This is what you tell the dispatcher you need for time for a legal, and safe trip.

Will they be happy with that?? No, they will only see that there trip takes 11.25 hours to make. However, do not leave their failure to understand HOS rules and regs. be your problem. If they were stupid enough to take a run under tighter hours, then that's on them.

Always plan out your trips. And always include loading time, which at some places, could take all day, or as fast as hooking up a trailer. And you need to know that information, too, so you can plan accordingly.

Proper Planing Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

Good Luck.

It looks to me, like the dispatcher figured since it was a drop & hook at the terminal, that you would drive for 11 hours, have 30 minutes for fueling the truck, take an 8 hour break, then deliver the load.

Could that have been done legal? Yes. Was what you actually did the safer of the two options? Yes.

You didn't say where the load originated. But the dispatchers did know..and they had to of known at a pretty decent advance time, that they were going to have to swap out tractors to get the load delivered on time.

Most dispatchers figure 45 miles per hour for drive time, plus 4% extra mileage, since the rated miles are usually HHG. Those whom plan deliveries for 55 mph speeds and HHG miles, are begging for trouble.

Especially in a 62 mph truck.

It's funny though....I wonder if the same people who know that it is impossible for the truck to average 55 mph when they are planning a trip, attempt to log the entire trip at 55 mph to "save hours" on their logbook.

but the kicker is that it would have taken over 11 hours to get the load to the drop, given i drove straight without no breaks. the only way to drive 617 miles in 11 hours is to average a shade over 56mph. That is not stopping in ohio or illinois. and MAYBE stopping for 15 minutes in indiana or iowa. But that is pretty much 'keeping the doors closed'.

The load i picked up was a T-call load at the terminal, so waiting to get loaded isnt an issue.

Seeing how the load was late at pick-up (the previous driver getting a service failure for either a late pick up, or did not make the ETA at the terminal), this load was in jeopardy of not being 'on time' from the start.

How do service failures work anyways?? who issues them...and why?? (well i know why...but just talking the logistics of it) Is it because the customer complains, or does the company issue a SF 'just because' you were late?

Does not look good from the standpoint of HOS and or sanity.

.... I for one am learning to put myself first,

its your career down the drain should anything go haywire.

(Just a thought) :)

I dont know if its something new...but the company where I work broadcast a message the other day stating

the DOT can now pull you in and get your request Qualcomm records on the spot without any court order.

As I see it its just one more nail in the dispatchers coffin...they are going to have to tighten up

and get more realistic.

Gotta run legal in this day and age

Kevin, with Swift, every time you Qual in arrived and you are after the scheduled delivery time, you get a service failure, UNLESS, you let them know before hand that you will be late and give them a reason, such as an accident, traffic tie up, etc. You need to have a verifiable reason just in case they call you on it. Then it isn't a service failure. Your DM or someone can change that status on the load. The bigger the need for a timely delivery or prior service failures will get you a good look over. HTH

I guess im missing the point here cause not only is that load able to get there but its a cake walk to boot. But i dont know what states you went thru to get there so that may throw it off a lil but for giggles Ill say you went thru IL and OH IL will let you do 62 unless ur acting like a fool then they will nail you. OH will let you do 60 and not bother you unless something else is amiss.

Yes it will take your full 11 to get it there but yes in my option you should have gotten there barring the a monkey wrench in there which by your story there were no issues in route. as for not resting in the yard while on your 10 set a alarm clock? your not going anywhere till your breaks over so why are you babysitting your QC?

Yes I do log it as I do it and both IL and OH have done a lvl 1 on me and didnt give me greif over doing 62 or 60, Could they? Yep but I think that all goes with how you act towards them as to how big of butts they are going to be.

Sorry barring issues in route yes I would think you can make it. Now if you give us where you started and where it was to drop that would help a lil.

Troy


PS yes zipy they can now ask for you GPS data which any company with a QC type system must now use and provide upon request. That is what our safety ppl are telling us.

How do service failures work anyways?? who issues them...and why?? (well i know why...but just talking the logistics of it) Is it because the customer complains, or does the company issue a SF 'just because' you were late?


If YOU mess a load up in any way that can become a SF. depending on your service record will play into if you get one or not and how bad the mess up was.


"does the company issue a SF 'just because' you were late?"

They can but "just because" can cost your company lots of $$$$$$$$$$ if to many drivers think that way. IF your late cause YOU caused yourself to be late yes SF no questions now if your stuck cause XYZ closed down the Interstate or your DOTed and they take forever etc then no cause YOU couldnt prevent that.

SF = YOU messed up also known as personal responsibility.

ex I asked for a ld that i was picking up to allow me to pu a lot later then the trip asked cause i was going to do a out and back and I could do it with my hrs with a lil time to spare. they told me to go ahead and do it that way just make sure i was on time. No worries right? Nope the guard to let you in and out left his post for at least 45 min cause thats how long i waited to just get into the yard and a wreck shut down a lane so I was late...... But the consignee was happy I made it all cause of the weather. Guess what I got a SF and took with no backtalk cause had I ran it the way it was planned non of that would have been a issue for me. Over 2yrs of ontime 100% poof out the window. But I took PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for that load being 20 min late cause I asked for the change.

Not only possible but I do it everyday. It's called J.I.T. Freight (Just in Time) there is alot of this right now.

Key phrase...."KEEPING THE DOORS CLOSED" That's how you make money!!!!! Can't get the load there on time if you have to stop and play the Cherry machines at all the truckstops.

is averaging 55 mph illegal?? i average 55 all the time, and i havent been said anything to

Dollarshort,

You are right.It's extremely funny to see the truck stop full of drivers playing the machines like kids.Dont get me wrong,im 25 and love my new ps3 and other games.Bu,t do i have time for them on the road?Hell no!.That's the entertainment that i get at home.

As far as the 55 speed,don't want to brag,but i always keep it at 60-62 and take my chance with it.Not only i do get my freight on time but i make sure that tomorrow im up for my next load,and not waste my time on truckstops,etc.

So,if u ask me if it's possible, then its a YES!!!

It is impossible to average 55 mph in a 55 mph state unless you are speeding.

Theoretically, I suppose that's true. But I don't believe it's ever been proven.




Kevin . . check your PMs

It was my understanding that only about HALF the trip was in 55 mph states. Unfortunately, by my calculations, If you only LOG that half at 50 mph (which I don't believe is necessary,) you would need a faster truck to make the rest of the trip. Of course, even a 62 mph truck can exceed that speed if you have enough downhills and weight. Even staying under the speed limit IF it is 70 or more.

Possible? Absolutely. Expected? Yes. But, granted.... it was a very tight dispatch!

Btw, I've gone 165 miles through Illinois with the cruise set at 55, and never had to hit the brakes. I ended up averaging 55 mph!

Why not? It is at night, little traffic. You hit the state line at 55 mph. No stops, no fuel, no scales, no tolls, no hills or you have enough power to pull the hills. You have the hours. You have the cruise set at 55 mph. Not likely, but possible under the right circumstances.

Let's DON'T. You said "as fast as your truck can go." I've never driven a truck that wouldn't do at least 70. So, let's say the speed limits for the OTHER 300 miles will let me do that much.

Why would you estimate your speed for the ENTIRE trip at the lowest speed limit allowed (and that for only half of it?)

In this business? YES! Those who "won't" get it done, won't make much money (or keep their jobs) and will probably be part of the high turnover rate after crying for awhile about how they're not getting the MILES nor the MONEY.

Okay, with full tanks, I go on duty at 6:30 pm and hook and PTI for 30 mins, getting on the road at 7 p.m. I drive the 319 miles through the slow states in about 6 hours...averaging a LEGAL 53.16 mph. I stop for a TWO hour nap... NOT 3!! I'm on the road again at 3 a.m. I have 5 hours of driving left, and 5.5 hours to do it. I have 300 miles left divided by 5 hours. That's an average of 60 mph. Even in YOUR truck, I could do that and legally log it. AND..... I have time to stop for a 30 min coffee break to stay awake.

I get to my drop at 0830 in the morning, within 11 hours of driving time and at the end of my 14 hour window. Since they SAID it could be delivered BY 3:30 in the afternoon, I ask them if they will take me right then. They say yes, and I can stay on the clock as long as necessary to get unloaded.

A couple of hours later, I tell my dispatcher I am empty and need to shut down for 8 hours (split because I already logged a 2 hour break.) I'm ready to go again at 6:30 p.m. Where's the problem?

Geez. I don't know how you folks put up with those slow no goin trucks.

I'll run 730 miles on a decent day. Legal.

I was thinking the same thing. I log 735 miles on my long day legal (Arizona and New Mexico). l run almost 4,000 miles a week and get a reset at home.

Excellent! 55mph state figure average 50mph so there is 6 hrs or so. leaves you with 5 hours to drive 300 miles in a 62mph truck. I would have gotten out my calculator, figured it up and immediatley asked for a later appointment time or declined the load. That is cutting it way too close in my opinion unless you are driving it all on interstate. Even then I would probably not take it or ask about appointment time. One thing about my company, they have the majority of loads deliver in "windows". That is, delivery tomarrow from 0800 - 1300. Figure out when you can be there and put that time in. Works out good. I usually figure a resonable time and add 2 hrs to it depending on length of trip in case something comes up. I've blown a tire and still made the drop on time using this strategy.

When I run out west I usually drive 700 miles per 11 hours. You are right about a numb butt!

Does Swift have a company speed policy? Do they limit the number of miles you are allowed to drive in an 11 hour period?

Where I'm leased into, we are allowed 660 miles each 11 hour period, with our maximum allowable speed set at 65 mph. However....We can only average 60 mph over the 11 hour driving period.


And yes...They have a log auditing system that flags speed between logged stops.

Someone whom drives for a company that does not have a set "Speed Limit", and does not limit the maximum speed that company trucks, has no room to criticize any driver that has speed parameters within which they must drive.

The delivery time Kevin was givien was doable, if he drove straight through, took an 8 hour break, finished the drive to the consignee, then made the delivery. Was that a reasonable expectation? No.
It is unreasonable to expect an individual to switch from working day time hours, to working night time hours, without stopping for a nap. It is also unsafe.

That says it all right there. Not likely. Sure, there are exceptions to every rule. Sure - if the stars, moon, and all the space aliens aligned perfectly, and a driver hit absolutely no traffic whatsoever, and never slowed down for any reason, then they could average 55 mph through a 55 mph state.

But using Illinois as an example: Every interstate that travels through Illinois at one point or another intersects with a major city. Chicago, Rockford, Bloomington, Champaign, etc. In those cities, these interstates meet up with other interstates. There are curves within these interstates that are posted less than 55 mph. If the speed limit is 55 mph, and you AT ANY POINT go less than 55 mph (for curves, major cities, etc), then you are not averaging 55 mph unless you are speeding.

It's the same as yours, 60/660 and, if it doesn't fit, they flag it as "questionable speed". Here's mine (logged speed):

1/2/2009 Questionable Speed Average Speed: 66.57

I never looked it up to see if/where I went wrong. Since then, I was on the phone with my DM one day and he said my average speed at that moment was showing 64 (QC point to point, not logs) . . in my 62 governed truck. I don't recall that I was doing anything extraordinary at the time so I think it's fair to say the system has a little wiggle room.

The other "speed policy" is the downhill rat. I may be corrected on this by one of the newer Drivers . . they tell this to you in orientation and that's the end of it. I think that if you go over 70 in your first 6 months or twice in any subsequent 6 months, you're gone. And, if you spend more than 7 seconds at either 67 or 68 without braking, that's treated the same as breaking 70. In any event, the QC rats you out and the alert goes to corporate safety in Phoenix.

One time last year i took my 10 hr at the Cheyenne TA, and i ended my day at Williams, IA at the Flying J...i think it was just about 700 miles....and this was in a Werner truck *L* went across 80 and hit 35 in Des Moines....

a cake walk? what the F are you smoking?? you obviously missed the point where half the miles are run in states where the posted speed limit is 55mph for big trucks....not to mention in ohio, if you get a ticket, you actually will be paying for TWO.....yours and the one the DOT sends your company. so the other half is run at 63.....bringing the average for the trip to 59. Seeing how, unless you NEVER EVER stop...yeah, you'd get the load there on time. oh, and you have to avoid any traffic accidents that backs up traffic, or construction that creates traffic congestion. Oh...and not to mention, you have to remain awake and alert for 11 straight hours..and doing so without really moving 80% of your body.....but yet, it is a cake walk. LOL.....ok pally. the first time you can drive 630 miles in 11 hours and NEVER taking a break....be sure to let me know....

After taking a deep breath, i will respond to your ..... OPINION......

FIRST....there is a big difference between WONT and CANT. Sorry, dont care who i'm driving for...i will NOT EVER drive without being on the book. Thought about it, sure...but whos job and who pays the fine if i got caught?? SECOND....where in recent weeks have i been complaining about not getting miles? when i first came on here, sure i was.....getting 12-1500 miles a week...now i'm getting 2000-2300.....why?? cause my DM knows i want to roll, and knows i can drive 600 miles in 10 hours...granted if it is all interstate. Like just today....i was a few miles inside Oklahoma from KS....i stopped at the 100mm in Texas on 35. all interstate, sure...but i drove 620 miles...and guess what....nowhere did i ever do less than 55 for longer than 5-10 minutes.

the whole point of the OP was half of it was going thru states with 55mph speed limit, and like Rev. said, you cannot average 55mph unless you are speeding. I dont know of one state in the union that is as flat as your kitchen table. You are going to slow going up hills, and faster going down. but it is easier going down than it is going up....(wait that came out wrong).

And for your information, once i got to the terminal, i wasnt automaticly on a 10 hr rest period. I waited there so long, that i might as well show it, and then have a fresh 11/14. Had the driver got the load to Columbus on time in the first place, and not leave me with just enough time to get it delivered 'on time' plays a big part of it too.

Sorry, i dont know of one driver who can roll for 11 straight hours without stopping.

And another thing....when i stop in truck stops, i NEVER am there longer than 15 minutes, unless i have to scan something, or take a 10-200. Most often, ill stop for fuel, i'll be in and out in 15 minutes. Or if i need to stop to grab a quick bite to eat, if the payline is open, and 2-3 pumps are open, ill pull to a payline, run in, and back out. You will NEVER see me playing those stupid quarter machines. The most i've ever spent in an arcade, has been $5....and that is the last 4 months all together.

As of late, on the weekends, most of the loads are sent to multiple drivers, and in what i like to call "fastest fingers" dispatch. I'm done playing that game. I had a preplan for 1100 miles...i was sitting in Gary. IN....and it was going from the place i had just dropped at 30 min prior. I'm signed up to get text messages alerting me to preplans on my QC. they are SUPPOSED to come just before the PP hits my QC. This instance....i got the "preplan has been removed" message FIRST.....the preplan after that....and THEN i got the text message. Tell me....how F--ked up is that BS. And i am sure drivers, once they get a PP will play the stupid game just to get something they can roll on. But seeing how my last couple loads have really pushed what is reasonable and what is possible....i'm going to start actually looking at the preplan, and take 2-3 minutes and plan it. and if another driver takes it...so be it. ill wait for my DM to hook me up with loads sent just to me. He usually keeps me rolling thru the weekend. it isnt till i sit for the weekend when i get the screw job by weekend dispatchers.

oh...and hobo...i should tell ya, the roads after peoria to knoxville, iowa wernt all interstate either....some were 2 lane, and 4 lane highways....cant average 62 thru there when you have to slow for turning traffic or tight curves.

yeah, and i bet you have an unrestricted truck that isnt governed at 62-63, huh.....

Not sure if I'm reading you right Stan. Since Kevin said he couldn't make it in less than 11.21 hours, and another time mentioned he was still 55 miles from the drop, are you saying that he could drive 11 hour straight, STILL not be at the consignee, then finish the drive after an 8 hour break? If so.... that is not correct.

The dispatch was tight, but it seems that the company expected he could squeeze the entire distance into 11 hours of driving.... no matter WHAT he had to do to make it fit. Depending on what time he started his 14 hr clock, he had time for several short breaks and even a short nap. I suspect that they wanted him to stay on the clock once he got there until he was unloaded.

Who said he was "used to working days?" OTR drivers don't really HAVE that option in most cases. But, for the sake of argument, let's say he WAS tired and CAN'T drive all night. Try it this way:

After a 10 hour break ending by 6:30 pm, he hooks his load and "satisfies" himself that it is safe to drive and is on the road by 7 p.m. He drives until he is tired... but for our purpose.... let's say he gets through the slow states (319 miles) in 6 hours @ 53.16 mph average. Now it's 1 a.m.

He shuts down for an 8 hour sleeper break with NO worries so he sleeps good! At 0900 he does a QUICK walk-around with no need to log it, and hits the road again, well rested. At an average of 60 mph, 5 hours later at 2 p.m. he arrives at the consignee and delivers his load 1.5 hours early!

Then (or while they're unloading) he logs a 2 hour break, and he's ready to be dispatched to make some more money!

Notice, there is plenty of opportunity for him to get coffee when needed, or breakfast, or stretch his legs (OFF the driving clock.) By taking an 8 hour S/B break, instead of a 3 hour nap, it is now OFF his 14 hour clock, and he can easliy get ALL his driving hours in without busting his 14 hr clock.

The ONLY thing he CANNOT do is to call in a service failure because he needed 12 more minutes to drive the miles! (.21 X 60 mins.) The company would LOVE for the consignee to be a LITTLE BIT closer to the shipper, but that doesn't always happen. They crunched the numbers, saw that it could be done within legal speed limits, and gave him the JOB.

It's NOT about "keeping the door closed." There was PLENTY of time for breaks. It's about "moving the freight" a mere 617 miles in 20+ hours.

dude...i didnt have 20 hours to deliver this load. and by your math....i drive for 11....i have to take a 10 hr break. I know how split sleeper works. you get a 2 hour break (must be taken in the sleeper) and an 8 hr break...taken however. I took a 3 hr nap....i still get credit for 2 hrs. your 2 hr sleeper rest period dont stop your 14.....your 8 does, yes. and i was told the best way to figure out what you can drive, using split sleeper, is subtract the hours driven before whatever break you're taking, from 11, and thats what you can drive after.

seeing how the load was 617...and i got underway late in the evening, seeing if i didnt get it there within those 11 hrs....it wsa going to be late. you cannot drive 11 hours....rest for 2 or 8 hours, and get to drive some more.

let me tell you exactly how those days were logged....

03/04....line 2 from midnight to 6a...log 15 min on L4 for pretrip, L3 from 615a till 8a...arrive at terminal....show 15 min to fuel and PTI (PTI was added after i reached 10 hrs off duty to be 'legal' with the company) L1 from 815a till 1130a, when my truck was actually done going thru the shop and i took a shower. 1130a till 630p..sleeper.....630p line 4 for PTI, then L1 from 645p till 7p cause i was scaling (yeah i know...should have been line 4 still)...L3 at 7p till 1130p when i stopped in Covington, IN....about 5 mi from IL boarder. 1130p till 1145p L1...then back to driving from 1145p till 145a. L2 from 145a till 445a, then line 3 till 815a. Now i could have got the load there by 6p that night using split sleeper....however the cosingee rescheduled it for 730 the next morning.

other than the nap....i didnt lolly gag around taking 30 min breaks every hour. the 14hr clock only nipped 15 minutes off my 11hr clock. i drove my ass off for those 10 hrs i drove. ooooooooh.....i stand corrected.........had i took a 2 hr nap, and not a 3......i'd have had an hour to drive said distance to the cosignee......hmmmmmmmmm. I did not calculate that right.....cause when i figured my driving hours....i was short 30 minutes from my 11 (10.5 driven) which my 14 hr clock cut off the last 15 minutes.

i should have got the load there by 830a on the 5th. eeek.

and for the record....i've been driving 2-3 hrs...then taking 30 min breaks....driving 2-3 hrs and taking a 30 min break...etc. This get in 10 hrs of driving with 2 hrs of breaks. that leaves you 2 hours to drive an hour. I've never been one who likes to stop. once i get rolling, and i have a goal for that day (whether i'm driving my own car....or the truck)....i wont waste my money on stupid arcade games. i've cut back 50% on my fast food over the past couple weeks.....trust me....i'm not one who will turn down a load just becuase its only 100 miles. I'll take it just to work....i hate sitting. So dont lump me in with truck stop junkies.....

And after taking a long cold drink, and shooting from the hip, I'll respond to YOURS! :lol2:

That's true. I was referring to those who WON'T get the job done and WON'T get the miles as a result. My examples show that it CAN be done "on the book."

If I didn't think you had learned alot since you came on here, and I don't mean JUST about Trucking.... I wouldn't be wasting my time giving you my "opinion."

Your OWN words show that you CAN average 60mph with your slow azz truck!

You looking for a gold star Sonny? ;)

My examples explained how to deal with slow states. Nebraska is about as flat (going east/west) as they come! BTW.... you said yourself, that you "would" speed a little if necessary.

I caught that, and.... per the regs, if you were "waiting to be dispatched" you should have been ON LINE 4! You want to get "legal?" You're whole incident was a violation! Like someone else said. If the load wasn't there, you should have gone to sleep and told them to pound on your door when they were ready!

In my first 3 years of teaming, I had AT LEAST 3 co-drivers who did EXACTLY THAT! I can't and WON'T do it.... but, THEY did! Again.... my examples showed that THAT was not necessary in your case!

Blah, blah, blah! I NEVER accused you of doing ANYTHING different! I'm a FIRM believer of taking at least 2 short breaks for each 11 hours of driving! YOUR story (so far,) shows that YOU may not understand the regs well enough or something. You keep mentioning the need to keep the doors closed and driving STRAIGHT through. This is NOT necessary! Breaks MAY be on your 14 hr clock.... but DON'T go against your DRIVE time.

You LOST me at "preplan" and "Swift!" :lol: I sorta understand some of the problems you guys have.... but, I've NEVER had to work that way! The point is.... you need to understand the HOS rules a bit better, and you need to figure out what speed you can "average" when you're ACTUALLY driving (considering the roads,) and then take what you can do, and deal with the consequences IF and WHEN they happen.

If THIS was an issue, you "shoulda tole me" in your original post! I crunched numbers based on the LIMITED info in your O.P! And, yes... I guess I figured all interstates, cuz THAT's what I do most of the time!

But, like someone pointed out in an earlier post... maybe it was YOU.... the WHOLE trip COULD be done in 11 hours driving IF you could average just ONE LITTLE mph more than 55! And remember..... you said "the REST of the trip as FAST as your truck would go!"

I'm not saying you should drive an HOUR off the book and fudge it to make your delivery. But, I'll PUSH the speed limit if I need to, and I would NEVER stop 12 miles short of the consignee and send in a "service failure!" But then..... I wouldn't take a 3 hour nap if a 2 hour nap would get me there on time, either! :hellno::thumbsup:

Kevin never stated whether or not he was in the sleeper berth during this time. You are clearly assuming he wasn't. Please cite some proof.

I would like to know of a driver who always follows the rules....posted speed limits, etc. If a speed limit is 55, and i've got traffic flowing at 55....then guess what i'm doing. if posted speed is 55, and everybody, including the 104 year old grandmother is doing 65...guess what i'm doing.

Now if nobody is restricting my flow.....and the posted speed is 55.....then ill keep the cruise set at 58. Hardly doubt anybody will look twice seeing a big truck going 3 over.....UNLESS i am unlucky enough to get that one DOT worker having a bad day. Or if the speed limit is 60....ill keep the metal to the pedal and the thing to the floor.

i'll log as legal as i can, however, if you are waiting to be dispatched.....that dont mean you have to be on line 4. legally, if you are standing on the dock waiting to get unloaded, you should be on line 4. But i can be waiting to be dispatched and still be on line 2. Much as the same as 'waiting to be unloaded' not standing on the dock, but in the sleeper....i can log that as L2.

not going to burn my clock if i dont need to.

55 mph? that is why i run I40, I20, and I10. most of the speed limits are 70-75 mph. i usually average 700-800 miles a day.