Is this a Legal way to Log my hours??
 

I start my day at 0600. I arrive for a live unload to fac at 0800. I am told that i will not be unloaded until 1200. Instead of logging line 4 until 1200, I log line 1. Is this legal? At 1200 i go back on line 4 to unload and then leave and drive to the nearest flyin hook where I end my day at 2000 14 hrs after I started. Can I go on line 1 during my 14 hr day??

The moment you go to line 4 to start your day...your 14-hr clock is ticking. (forget all the stuff about split sleeper) everything counts against the 14.

Now....the question is, when you went to line 1....were you in the sleeper or were you in a drivers lounge at the drop?? if you were in the sleeper, you should have been on line 2. cause either 1 or 2 count against your 14.

this is how i would have done it. start my day at 0600. get to the drop at 0800 only to be told i wont get unloaded till noon. Regardless what i am doing, i get to the shipper at 0800, i give them 15 minutes to drop and hook, or bump the dock and wait to get unloaded, etc. so at 0800, i'd have gone down to line 4 for 15 min., flag it with city and state, then at 0815 go up to line 1 or 2. then when i am ready to roll after being unloaded, drop to line 3 and off i go. i do this to save my 70. you show on line 4 because you're waiting, you will run out of hours, and have a small paycheck.

The only time i ever go to line 1....is if i am away from my truck, and i cannot see it. (i.e. getting lunch, taking a 10-100, or whatever.)

I predict a minimum of 5 pages. Any takers?

I do the same.... 15 min pretrip line4....... up to line3..... arrive 15min line 4 up to 1 for as long as it takes to load then back to 4 for 15min and then to 3 and head out. I don't worry about my 14 since I'm a skateboard and don't have to deal with many docks. Biggest thing is to NOT run out of hours.
Now watch.... I'll get stuck at a place for a few hours on monday. Just my luck !

I don't see how reefer guys do it with loads/drops at all times of the clock. That's got to be rough on the body and on the book.

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Yes.:thumbsup:

I'll see your five and raise you six.:lol:

Why short yourself time just toss that log sheet ,and instead of leaving at 0600 and arriving at 0800 then waiting until 1200...just wait until unloaded and then you can decide what time to show leaving/arriving .

what's the time frame.......say by sunday night? i'll take 4. :D

Ya, just log it illegal like BIG JEEP said. After all, miles is money and if the wheels are not turning, your not making any money:roll3:

but why do that, then get stopped at a chicken house, and asked to bring in your log book, then you make a mistake drawing your line, and you show driving 100 miles in an 1.25 or something.

Not to mention the company can audit you, and cross check your QC tracking info to your log. i ran into a situation where i made it to a cosignee with 15 min to drive, and an hour left to 'work'. They tell me it will take an hour to get me unloaded. Now i know there is a truck stop 10 miles away....so I (shhhhhh) pre-log everything showing using up every minute of my 11 and 14, but yet i was 30 min over my 14 before i set the brakes at the truck stop.

Holding my breath for the next couple weeks that i dont get an audit. But then again, i wasnt going to bust my tail getting the load there, only to have to take it to a truck stop, and come back in 10 hours, only to sit for another 2 THEN sit for the rest of the day waiting for a load. Kinda sucks when a 30 min. window could make or break wasting another day, or just part of it.

So IT IS legal for me to go to line 1 during my 14 hr day?

I really want to see the log book of whomever on this board can truly and honestly say they log legal 100% of the time, adhering completely with 395

yes as many times as you want or need, when ever your not driveing or working you should be on line 1 or 2 just make sure if your logging line 2 (sleeper) that your really in it and not in the T/S playing vidio games. BUT!! Remember being on line 1 does NOT stop your 14hr clock.Unless you take your full break .


5 pages

ill be the first to say i was wrong. i remember when i first posted on this board, and started driving solo, i said i'll always log legal. well i do....but like in the situation above, you just cant. well i guess you CAN, but that is if you like sitting and dont like money. =)

oh...leaving LA for PHX...i was ready this time, Rev.

That's what I do everyday. Rewrite the log sheet for the day everynight when I shut down and take the 2 hour nap after dinner out. Some how it makes your 10 hour break shorter lol

what you gotta do is have one logbook under your seet and one thats all nice and pretty for the DOT man. when you roll into the chikencoop you show em the legitamate one and when your movin you dont log notin at all. you just drive until you get 715 miles per day don't matter how long it takes you. at the end of the day go back and draw lines with a nice sharp ballpoint pen and make it look nice and legal and all and then divide your odomater miles by 65 mph. aint nobody invented a way to get paid when the wheels dont turn so you gotta keep em movin if you want to earn a good payday. If you get tired just pop some nodoze pills and drink about 2 monster energy drinks then polish it off with a redbull. onetime I bought some a this powdered stuff from a Mexican guy at the Pilot down in Dallas and I ran like the wind for 3 days straight now that sure was a big settlement check!!!!!!

Fire me off a PM. I'm in PHX the entire weekend.:cool:

Okay, this time I'll be nice and be a little more specific.

You can log line 1 during the day as long as you are free to pursue activities of your choice. Basically (and this is how the regs word it), you have to be "relieved of duty" by your motor carrier.

If you are sitting in your driver's seat waiting to unload, you are on line 3. (I'm sure golfhobo will disagree) If you are in the sleeper berth waiting to unload, you are on line 2. If you aren't free to leave to go eat or do another activity of your choice while you are waiting to unload, you are on line 4. (although most people would log it as line 1 to save hours).

But yes - it is legal to log line 1 during your 14 hour day. Most carriers relieve their drivers of duty for lunch periods. I've had carriers I've run for who actually gave me cards that stated such.



§395.2 Definitions.

On Duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On-duty time shall include:


(1) All time at a plant, terminal, facility, or other property of a motor carrier or shipper, or on any public property, waiting to be dispatched, unless the driver has been relieved from duty by the motor carrier;


(2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;


(3) All driving time as defined in the term driving time;


(4) All time, other than driving time, in or upon any commercial motor vehicle except time spent resting in a sleeper berth;


(5) All time loading or unloading a commercial motor vehicle, supervising, or assisting in the loading or unloading, attending a commercial motor vehicle being loaded or unloaded, remaining in readiness to operate the commercial motor vehicle, or in giving or receiving receipts for shipments loaded or unloaded;


(6) All time repairing, obtaining assistance, or remaining in attendance upon a disabled commercial motor vehicle;


(7) All time spent providing a breath sample or urine specimen, including travel time to and from the collection site, in order to comply with the random, reasonable suspicion, post-accident, or follow-up testing required by part 382 of this subchapter when directed by a motor carrier;


(8) Performing any other work in the capacity, employ, or service of, a motor carrier; and


(9) Performing any compensated work for a person who is not a motor carrier.

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HE'S BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which way are you heading after Phoenix? I'm heading out now to go get a load heading to Phoenix. Will come back home and leave tomorrow for a Tuesday delivery, then jump over to LA for a load back.

I unload Monday morning, then it's back to Cali. Not sure where in Cali yet.

Our log books each have a 'letter' stating the company authorizes the driver (fill in name) to take an hour off for lunch each day. anytime you are in your drivers seat.....regardless if it is just picking your nose with the engine off, that is technically line 3...cause if a cop pulls up, you appear to be operating a motor vehicle. if i know i'm going to be sitting at a dock waiting to get un/loaded, i'm in the sleeper.

But regardless, as soon as i send in my mac 1 or mac 5....i note the time.....log that, then show 15 min. of 'work' to the shipper/cosignee and thats that. dont matter if i end up having to reposition the trailer to another dock. I still remain on line 2. only time i ever go to line 1, is when i go inside a truck stop or rest area for any length of time to take care of personal business, or when I'm on a hot date having dinner. =)

yes you CAN log line 1....but if you're actually in the sleeper, why not just log line 2?

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When I goto places that I know are going to take a while to unload me I log 30 on duty then I go up to off duty, because I lock my truck and walk away. I have a cell phone and they call me when im empty. :) I go for lots of walks, it helps fight off the truck stop food belly :lol: So am I logging it wrong ? Im not around my truck, someone else is doing the work "unloading it" ! Just wondering, because I would have to fix a few days :lol:

I would do it like this: Flag the time I started at the beginning of the day at my location with the mileage because the post-trip 15min was done the night before and you don't have to log 15min at the beginning of the day. I would drive to the customer and either flag it if they couldnt get me right off or log 15 min check-in then go into the sleeper for however long I was there. When I was done I would log 15 min for getting the paperwork, closing the doors, drawing a line in the logbook, whatever. Under no circumstances would I ever log more than 1/2 hr on duty at any customer for any reason. I went for years logging 15min total at every customer then spending the rest of the time in the sleeper and had scalemasters in every state look at my logs and have no problem with them. The only reason I log 15 min check-in when I arrive and 15 min when I leave now is that it's company policy. I don't mind it because that adds up to 1 - 1.5 hours a week and if that little time makes that much difference to you then you need to get out of the truck more often

You are correct. If you log time on line 1 you must either have the company issue you a card that relieves you of responsibility of the load during off time or have it printed on the logbook somewhere.

This wouldn't even be a consideration if you weren't being paid in a manner that is illegal in most every other occupation in the United States.

Who else goes to work and tries to hide/cover up time spent working for a company? What a rip off!

Simple answer topset:

You had best be in lock step with the entire OTR industry scam. This usually dictates logging 15-30 minutes max at a receiver/shipper no matter what you spend your time doing. That's just the way it is.

Wrong? Not only wrong, but illegal. Just one of the many decisions like this that you will have to make daily as an OTR driver. If you get caught, it's your arse, not theirs. (the carriers)

This is where the much heralded phrase; "Work 80-100, log 70, paid 40" comes from. Even though they dislike it to the hilt, even the staunchest OTR diehards will not argue with it.

In a nutshell. Go local!:lol:

Same here...I run a legit log all day.....When I park for the night I tear that up and back log,taking all the breaks out,and back it up against the prior day as far as I can......Loose leaf logs rock.......Of course we don't have qualcom or any such kuhrap.....

You would be incorrect. How a driver is compensated has no effect on how they are required by the regulations to log it.

Please don't start with the same crap that CFM was banned several times for. Thanks.

Don't forget that the FMCSA lifted the ban 3 weeks ago. If your truck has GPS, your log MUST match exactly.:pissedoff:

Do local guys have to log ? How far from your home terminal are you allowed ?

I would love the company Im working for to buy a day cab, they have loads of local crap, they put the OTR drivers on it :hellno: They have one day cab and it is a POS that can not leave the yard :lol:

You know there are local drivers that do the same thing, but only back wards. They log MORE hours then they should so they can INCREASE their day and get more overtime. Work a 9 hour day, log 11. Find a nice quit place, fudge the log book and then take a two hour nap.:D

So, is that log falsification also, belpre?

By the way, that is the reason alot of the local companies around here are going to XATA and People-Net systems in the trucks.:D

Actually, it's qualcomm that they can match to now. My truck has a GPS, and I'd love to know how the FMCSA could use it to compare to my logs, since it doesn't keep a record.

It dosn't keep a record that YOU know of!!! Haven't you noticed all them black helicopters?

i tried tellin that to rev, i think it was, dont start ur clock till ur ready to roll out of the cust if ur in the same town u did ur post trip insp flag or where u ended ur day....he told me i was violating the rules....ive done it that way for 2 yrs now

only problem with doin that at 65 mph is every dummydot inspector knows u arent drivin 715 miles a day all the time for one, and 2 u arent drivin that 715 miles at the full 65 mph the whole time. especially governed.

150 air miles from terminal or point of original dispatch (where u punch in and out)

I hate to burst your bubble but the qualcomm system most certainly does record your information and keeps it. Ever notice how you can ask a question of your boss and they can pull up a conversation from a year ago and read it verbatim? We got a message saying that the dot will start matching the qualcom to the logs also.