Originally Posted by Mackman

Thats the way it should be

Originally Posted by Snowman7

It's unbelievable how stubborn all you guys are! :roll:
Why cant we just talk about each others jobs rather than trying so hard to convince each other that ours is the best? I dont doubt for a minute that GMAN, Orangetxguy, Lebron, and Belpre all do well in their respective fields. And as for the union bashing we're not any different than you guys are. We want the best pay we can get just like you. Why do you sit waiting for $4 a mile when you have $1.50 there for the taking? The same reason I wont work for $12/hr thats why. And if I were an O/O and you a company driver we'd both be the exact same way. And I dont care about killing the cash cow. If he dies I"ll find another job! No problem! And lazy? Please! Do my job where I hook 4 sets/8 trailers every night, or DoubleR in foodservice, Lebron doing P/D, I dont think any of us are lazy or we wouldnt have our job or the motivation to get a good job. Well Mackman might be lazy, ITS A JOKE! I'M JUST KIDDING! You guys who have done well in OTR are the exception to the rule, congrats. By the same token good local jobs are hard to come by which makes us the exception to the rule also. We all do well in the field we want to be in. We should be sharing how we did it with those who are interested instead of bickering over who has the better way. Face it, 75% of all trucking jobs suck anyway so lets help those who want to know what else is out there.

Originally Posted by Snowman7

And lazy? Please! Do my job where I hook 4 sets/8 trailers every night, or DoubleR in foodservice, Lebron doing P/D, I dont think any of us are lazy or we wouldnt have our job or the motivation to get a good job.

Originally Posted by LeBron James

Snowman, they don't understand because they've never done LTL. They think we just drive around town, bump a few docks, and then park under a shadetree and read the paper milking the clock.

All they've done is OTR...maybe some multi-stop stuff but never with the heavy pressure to get stops off like we do. I'd love to see one of these guys cover my route...22 stops in 8-9 hours (2.5 stops per hour) delivering to funeral homes, car washes, trailer parks, hotels, banks, conveience stores, schools...wheeling stuff into the mall then blindsiding off a 2-lane highway at rush hour. Then take a long-box down a residential street and hope you can get turned around.

Start your deliveries at 0800 and by 1200 they're giving you pickups and you've still got 8 stops to get off. One shipper closing at 1400, another at 1500, another at 1600. Gotta mix the pickups in with the drops and somehow find a way to make those delivery appointments. Bring back stops and you get written up. Keep bringing back stops and you get fired.

If these guys did my job, they'd be gone in a few days...which is why we won't hire OTR for city work...everybody quits or gets fired.

Originally Posted by Mackman

Thats the way it should be

Originally Posted by roadhog

This generalization is what is causing the riff.
Many of us here work hard regardless, and many of us here have experience in both Local and OTR.

EXACTLY! There are definatlely some "lazy, greedy, union guys" just as there are some "lazy, greasy OTR guys" but that doesnt mean were all like that. We have to stop with the stereotyping.

I could easily describe all the picks and drops and difficulty of my typical OTR runs...and bumping the same tiny East Coast docks with a 270" wheelbase Pete and a 53' Reefer...sticking out 30 feet past most Local rigs.

I might even have to unload my own, just to get the job done so I can get the hell back on the road to cover my next stop...because some "union truck" which came in after me, is going get unloaded first.

OTR cover multiple picks and drops challenging the weight/per axle math and are hunting for docks in a new location where they've never been before on a regular basis.

There are different challenges, but schedules JUST as hard to keep, and with great odds to make happen. (some with fines if you are late) All the arguments I've read so far are justifiably so, but I can not see how one gets an Atta-Boy more than the next driver.

Were all very good at what we do and we want to be paid as much as we can get. Period. In that respect were all the same.

:D But it's how we like to communicate between each other. Notice I got in my union priority stab...and my 30' of superiority. :lol:

You just had to go there didnt you! :roll: :lol:

Originally Posted by LeBron James

Snowman, they don't understand because they've never done LTL. They think we just drive around town, bump a few docks, and then park under a shadetree and read the paper milking the clock.

Originally Posted by GMAN

Some of us have done LTL and driven locally. Some of us have a good understanding of what it takes to drive local because we have done it.

Originally Posted by GMAN

I drove for a carpet finishing company about 30+ years ago when I first started driving. I picked up and delivered every day, all day long. I usually worked 60-70 hours per week. I have also done LTL running my own authority.

Originally Posted by GMAN

I never said that I worked for an LTL carrier. I said that I did LTL. Just as there are different types of carriers there are also different types of LTL freight. :roll:

Originally Posted by LeBron James

You may have "done" LTL, but it's far different than working for an LTL carrier. It's like when I used to pull a reefer around doing multi-stop picks and drops...I would never be a fool and say I did foodservice delivery like Double R because it's totally different.

Originally Posted by LeBron James

When you did LTL, did you work the dock with a towmotor?

Originally Posted by LeBron James

And if so average over 8 bills per hour?

Originally Posted by LeBron James

Did you cube out pups with decking and dunnage? Did you break and hook sets? Strip trailers? Did you deliver over 20 stops in less than 9 hours? Liftgate deliveries, inside deliveries, residentials, above ground floor deliveries, sort and segregate?

Originally Posted by LeBron James

I'm done with this one.

Originally Posted by GMAN

I don't remember anyone making $8 hundred dollars an hour 35 years ago.

Originally Posted by Snowman7

Give it up GMAN. Every time you try and talk about LTL you prove how much you dont know. Everything is about bill counts and weight. A bill is a shipment, it could be 1 skid or 200 tires or anything in between. Bills per hour and bills per stop are tracked by management. An average sized terminal probably picks up, sorts, and reloads on outbound trailers around 5-600 bills a day. And also delivers about the same each day from inbound trailers. A busy dock is like bumper cars at the amusement park. There are no slackers and some people are even afraid to go out on the dock cause forklifts are flying around everywhere. LTL is a fast paced operation and dock workers and city drivers are under alot of pressure. Thats why I'm a road driver, I'm too lazy to work the city! LOL! You may know alot about trucking but you sound like a spin doctor trying to talk about LTL. You saying you know LTL is like me saying I'm OTR because I use a highway to get there.

Originally Posted by GMAN

You can do LTL locally or across the country. Just as there are different types of trucks and different types of truck load carriers, there are different types of LTL operations. I have not done the cross dock shipping that you see at the LTL types of operations. I have done LTL across the country. Both are LTL but are a little different. I never said that I knew everything about LTL, but I do have some knowledge about how LTL works since I have done it. I never said that I worked the docks of an LTL operation. I am a truck driver not a dock worker. When I first started driving we loaded and unloaded our own trucks and made a lot of stops. We picked up at different shippers and delivered to different shippers. I would not want to pick up hundreds of packages, nor would I want to work for what you term an LTL carrier. Much of what some of these carriers do is what the Post Office did at one time.

The majority of our freight is palletized and heavy. I doubt the post office ever moved it.

I consider an operation such as UPS much different than what I would do when I do LTL. A carrier such as UPS may have hundreds of packages on a truck and call that LTL.

No they call that parcel. Like United Parcel Service or Fedex Ground is parcel. I'm talking about UPS Freight, Fedex Freight, Yellow Freight, Conway Freight, Roadway etc, and thats LTL freight.

When I do LTL I would usually have anywhere from 3 to perhaps 5 partial shipments on the truck at a given time when I do these types of loads.

We have 70 trucks in the city (Akron/Cleve) on any given day with 5-20 bills per truck.

I may be constantly picking up and dropping off pieces as I cross the country. I could pick up several pieces from different shippers and receivers in the same city or different cities. I could have only 2 different shipments from 2 different shippers. Any time you pick up less than a truck load that is LTL (Less than Truck Load, some newer people like to call it Less than Trailer Load). Both are LTL.

Agreed, you can call it LTL on a small scale.

You can haul LTL without being classified as an LTL carrier. I have pulled loads for the Post Office. I hauled packages from the USPS. I picked up at a single location and delivered at a single location. That was not an LTL shipment for me. LTL doesn't necessarily have to be done locally to be considered LTL. You don't seem to understand the difference.

Yes I do. Do you?

I am curious what you would call a carrier who would put 2 or more partials from different shippers on the same truck that drop at different receivers?

In the broadest sense of the word yes its LTL but its more like multi stop, irregular route, OTR.

Frankly, I don't know why you want to make such a big deal about it.

Because we work in LTL and you dont yet you still keep trying to tell us how our industry works. Like saying that we need OTR carriers to do our job, which we dont. That would be like me telling you how to move heavy equipment on a lowboy. I have an idea but never did it. Again you saying you do LTL is like me saying I'm an OTR driver because I run the road and might sleep in a hotel once in a while. Your so stubborn you cant let us talk about our industry without pretending to know everything about it and trying to knock it down.

Originally Posted by Snowman7

Because we work in LTL and you dont yet you still keep trying to tell us how our industry works. Like saying that we need OTR carriers to do our job, which we dont. That would be like me telling you how to move heavy equipment on a lowboy. I have an idea but never did it. Again you saying you do LTL is like me saying I'm an OTR driver because I run the road and might sleep in a hotel once in a while. Your so stubborn you cant let us talk about our industry without pretending to know everything about it and trying to knock it down.

Originally Posted by GMAN

I don't remember anyone making $8 hundred dollars an hour 35 years ago.

Originally Posted by LeBron James

I'm done with this one.

Originally Posted by GMAN

FINALLY!! We will count on you to keeping your word. :lol:

Originally Posted by Snowman7

Give it up GMAN. Every time you try and talk about LTL you prove how much you dont know. Everything is about bill counts and weight. A bill is a shipment, it could be 1 skid or 200 tires or anything in between. Bills per hour and bills per stop are tracked by management. An average sized terminal probably picks up, sorts, and reloads on outbound trailers around 5-600 bills a day. And also delivers about the same each day from inbound trailers. A busy dock is like bumper cars at the amusement park. There are no slackers and some people are even afraid to go out on the dock cause forklifts are flying around everywhere. LTL is a fast paced operation and dock workers and city drivers are under alot of pressure. Thats why I'm a road driver, I'm too lazy to work the city! LOL! You may know alot about trucking but you sound like a spin doctor trying to talk about LTL. You saying you know LTL is like me saying I'm OTR because I use a highway to get there.

Originally Posted by Orangetxguy

Hold it one cotton pickin second!!!

That there is blasphemy! Sayin a "Union" worker isn't a SLACKER! Why....that would be like sayin ....Cyanide works every single day he possibly can, at Superior carriers!!!

Blasphemy I say! BLASPHEMY! :twisted: :twisted: :wink:

Originally Posted by golfhobo What they ALL have in common, is not being at home every night. Which is the definiton of a "local Wuss!" :lol: :lol:

Originally Posted by Mackman

LBJ, Snowman

you guys dont know nothing about LTL. I do the real LTL work. I mean if i take a 1/2 a dump truck load of stone some where that means it is LTL less then truck load. So intill you guys do that you dont know nothing. :lol: :lol: