Lebron, you obviously have a disdain for this industry. You keep comparing apples to oranges. Perhaps you could get a job driving one a sewer truck for your uncle's plumbing company. You would be paid by the hour and be home every night. I am sure that you would be paid for every minute you were on the job.

Most carriers will not tolerate drivers falsifying their logs. Doing so could result in the carrier suffering huge fines. I would never ask a driver to falsify a log book. Not keeping a legal log is a personal decision made by the driver. The Federal regulations require you to log your trip as you do it. You can't blame the carrier for you failing to keep an accurate log. That is a personal decision.

Since you detest this industry so much I am surprised that you would waste your time on a trucking forum.

Since you detest this industry so much I am surprised that you would waste your time on a trucking forum.[/quote]


[b]I don't think hates the industry, he is just stating how Otr drivers need to get organized and fight for better working conditions. Organized labor is the only way to fly in my book.[/b]

That's the way I read Lebron's posts also Evinrude. It seems to me that Lebron is all about better working conditions for drivers. I don't understand why GMAN finds this so offensive. Rather than detest the industry, I feel that Lebron has a great passion for the industry, especially driver issues. For GMAN to suggest that Lebron 'detests the industry,' is both wrong and rash.

Only Lebron could ruffle the feathers of the normally unflappable GMAN.

Then he would do well to alter his approach, instead of jumping down the throats of every driver who doesn't do exactly what he does. Precisely the reason why most people dislike CFM is because of the way he goes about things.

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Ya'll excuse me while I go get some hip waders. It's gettin' deep in here.

We can sit here and tell each other that we are wrong. What is the first step to making this industry any better? The "coolie" carriers aren't going to go out of business and the union carriers aren't going to take over trucking, so what do we do? I have started my strike against coolie carriers. If anyone wants to donate to my strike fund please send your donations to:

Jesus
Del Rio, Texas

luggage carrier (coolie)

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If you just look at his avatar it appears that he is unhappy with trucking. I am for good working conditions for drivers. If you are unhappy with trucking the way it is now, you would have REALLY been unhappy with it when I first started driving. We had small or no sleepers, small engines and NO air conditioning in most trucks. We fixed our own trucks or changed and repaired tires on the side of the road in many cases. We had to stop at each port of entry. We mostly traveled 2 lane roads or 4 lanes without a median to provide some space from passing vehicles. Many drivers took speed to keep going. We didn't have drug testing or CDL schools. We got a license and started driving. We learned as we went along. We had to use pay phones rather than cell phones or computers. We actually had to communicate with one another using words. Many trucks and trailers were spring ride. This was at a time when the Teamsters were at their peak. Drivers often helped to unload their own trucks, without compensation. I don't recall ever being paid detention back then. Qualcomm wasn't even thought of at the time. People gave their word and you could take it to the bank.

Driving conditions are much better today than 30 or so years ago. If you are unhappy with the way things are now, you probably would not have been able to make it when I first started. We did what we needed to do to get the job done. Less complaining and more work. And we did earn a good paycheck for the time.

Guess what friday i was on time and 1/2 all day making 27.hr. My truck all day long made 420 bucks LOL. But did my boss take money from me hell no. Driving truck getting paid by the hr. is the only way to go. Any other type of pay is COOLIE.

Also GMAN back in that day for that time drivers got paid a real good wage. Not like todays pay rate. which is a joke for OTR.

15 1/2 hour day? That sounds too much like work.

Lebron is a very bright and smart guy (not kissing his a$$) but it seems he's more in trucking for the money and to support his family.. it seems if he didn't have to be in trucking he wouldn't be.. Gman seems like he's in trucking for the love of it and wouldn't get out of it for the world....

I understand where both parties are coming from, from lebron's half to gman half.. but i guess its plan and simple.. if you want to get paid, no matter how many miles you didn't or did drive, get a local job be home everynight.. if u want to go out sightseeing and make as much money as possible and at times make nearly nothing and stress over miles and detention time, go do OTR.. Goes back to what i said when i started this thread KNOW what your getting into..

Hell everyone would love to get salary or paid by the hour in trucking no matter what im pretty sure, but i'm damn sure nothing is going to change in the near future about pay in the industry...